FiOS Available To 1 Million Apartment Buildings But is urban push enough to offset DSL, landline losses? 2008 was supposed to be the year that Verizon stopped focusing so intently on the suburbs, and began seriously aiming their FiOS fiber to the home service at major cities -- specifically apartment buildings. Several things happened in 2008 that facilitated this, from the development of smaller optical network terminals (ONTs), to new advancements in bendable fiber optic cabling. The efforts have also required new franchise agreements along the east coast megatropolis, with NYC and DC in the books, and Philly on the way. Today, Verizon stated that the telco has successfully run FiOS past a million apartment buildings. The question now becomes whether this urban FiOS deployment is enough to offset Verizon's recent slow broadband subscriber additions.
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  tshirtPremium,MVM
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Snohomish, WA
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| 1 million ? One Million buildings? or one million apts.?
also (as the article implies) passing buildings doesn't mean serving said buildings, 90% of the tenats may this "YES!", but until the landlord says "Yes" (and verizon agrees to the conditions he/she demands) actual service doesn't exist. | |
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Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | Re: 1 million ? said by tshirt: One Million buildings? or one million apts.? also (as the article implies) passing buildings doesn't mean serving said buildings, 90% of the tenats may this "YES!", but until the landlord says "Yes" (and verizon agrees to the conditions he/she demands) actual service doesn't exist. It is apartment units. The story and headline at CNNMoney.com got it wrong when they rewrote the original Wall St Journal story:
»online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-200···artbrief
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| | | | It would be 1 million apts/dwellings passed. At their current take rate.... it should prove profitable. | |
| |  wesmPremium
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Redmond, WA
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| Amen to that. My apartment complex has been cabled for FiOS but we can't have it because Verizon won't finish build-out as they can't sell TV here (exclusive with a satellite reseller). Complex owner won't say yes, Verizon won't say yes, so we're stuck with "Verizon Dead-end Avenue." | |
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| | Please buy Qwest! I would love to have FIOS in Phoenix! They will kill off Cox Cable out here LOL | |
| | | | Re: Please buy Qwest! that will never happen. Especially now. Most likely there won't be any more mergers of the Telco's for 4+ years. | |
| | CorydonCultivant son jardinPremium
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Denver, CO | Besides, they don't need fancy bendable fiber in Phoenix...that "city" is nothing but a gigantic suburb anyways  | |
| | | | Cox isn't going anywhere... Cox will have cell services before phoenix has fios | |
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| | Verizon has said FiOS is available to our building... ...and they will survey it this spring to determine installation costs/timing/etc. We're a co-op so WE are the landlord! Can't wait! | |
|  rit56
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New York, NY | NY Residents Agree This is total bull. | |
| |  JeffreyConnoisseur of leisurely thingsPremium
join:2002-12-24
Long Island
kudos:3 | Re: NY Residents Agree Tell me about it. Half of my town has Fios, and my half doesn't.  Forget about the apartment buildings. | |
| | | | | Re: NY Residents Agree Jeffrey,
No one in my entire state of Illinois has FiOS!
Also, no one in Ohio, Michigan, or Wisconsin. | |
| | | | | | Re: NY Residents Agree ANd IL, MI, OH, and WI will never see it either. We'll be the next states to be sold off. | |
| | | | |  DolganPremium
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Sun Prairie, WI
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| Re: NY Residents Agree The Devil must be putting on his parka since I actually agree with you on this subject. You did forget to include IN, the only midwest FIOS is in Ft Wayne/New Haven, IN. As was shown with the Fairpoint sale Verizon is willing to give up its FTTH assests if it will mean the sale of state where the majority of their holdings are smaller towns/rural.
We once thought that Century-Tel would being buying WI/IL, but their aquisition of Embarq may preclude that deal. I am hoping that TDS Telecom buys out at least WI {they are headquartered in Madison, WI} as they are starting rural FTTH {test deployments} in TN. The only other logical suitors are Windstream or Valor if they chose to grow as they include many ex GTE/Verizon areas already. The next round of Telco consolidation will be amongst the small ILECs so will have to wait and see what the fallout will be. | |
| | | | | | | | Re: NY Residents Agree First Energy owns a very large CLEC that would probably be intersted in taking over the rural areas. I think it would be them or a Co-Op.
Ft. Wayne only has FiOS most likey due to they started their own Muni some time ago. Wasn't it wireless?
TDS is a CLEC in much of Ohio but their areas are very limited. They do have a couple ATT areas along with VZ areas but nothing really outside of that. Next ATT will be selling off unprofitable areas; which will be most of Ohio. | |
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join:2004-01-29
Carmel, IN | Re: NY Residents Agree Ft. Wayne is an ex-GTE area, bought up by Verizon, thus they get FiOS. The only areas that will ever see FiOS in the midwest are those little ex-GTE areas, which are small and few and far between. The vast majority of the midwest is under rule of the Deathstar, thus we will *never* see FTTH. ..Sigh.. (and by never, I mean maybe in 20 yrs from now when ATT is forced to run fiber by market forces, or muni-fiber becomes commonplace). | |
| | | | | | | | | | Re: NY Residents Agree Ohio is NOTHING BUT GTE areas. Marion, Ohio served and still does at the Eastern Call Center. formally the Eastern Corp. Offices.
VZ has told them they'll never see FiOS. Along with areas of Toledo that have VZ, will NEVER see FiOS. MI is the same way where they were GTE areas.
You can't say that former GTE areas will get FiOS when VZ is saying they will never see it.
Ohio is split between VZ/GTE and AT$T. | |
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Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:7 | said by hottboiinnc:Ft. Wayne only has FiOS most likey due to they started their own Muni some time ago. Wasn't it wireless? We have a free wireless network down town but it's not going to be mistaken as a replacement for an ISP.
Fort Wayne got on the FiOS list early for several reasons as I understand it:
We already had a SONET ring connecting the majority of our central offices.
Verizon until recently had a large data center here acquired with the GTE merger. They also have a decent sized call center here. So Verizon already had a decent corporate presence.
Finally, the biggest reason was that the city actively lobbied Verizon to bring FiOS to the area. Instead of acting as an opponent, dragging their feet with the franchise approval process or delaying building permits to start pulling cable, they accelerated the process, fast tracking things. They worked with Verizon as oppose to against them as many communities along the East Coast seem to have done.
For all that, basically the entire city of Fort Wayne and New Haven, IN were wired up. It took maybe 18 months at most to get the entire city wired up. No cherry picking involved...actually, the most affluent neighborhood(s) actually AREN'T serviced as they have Embarq. | |
| | | | | | | | | | Re: NY Residents Agree as stated above, Marion, Ohio has a large call center for VZ. And it actually handles almost all of the Mid West calls. Its HUGE!
But they'll never see FiOS and they're lucky to have 3.0/768 DSL there by them. | |
| | | | | | | | | cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
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Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:7 | Re: NY Residents Agree said by hottboiinnc:as stated above, Marion, Ohio has a large call center for VZ. And it actually handles almost all of the Mid West calls. Its HUGE! But they'll never see FiOS and they're lucky to have 3.0/768 DSL there by them. Never is a very long time. But Marion, OH is also about 1/2 the size of New Haven, IN. Having a call center doesn't magically make it economically viable to deploy it there early on. | |
| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: NY Residents Agree Maybe half the size but it's one of the largest service areas of VZ in Ohio. It is also the former HQ of the midwest unless VZ moved everything out except the call center.
Marion is also one of the largest call centers for VZ and handles a great deal of all the calls for residential and business customers for all over the country. By day its the midwest center by night its the Western Center. | |
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Carmel, IN | Re: NY Residents Agree No, actually OH isn't 'nothing but' VZ (ex-GTE) areas. VZ has a lot more coverage than I had thought in OH, but the big cities...Columbus, Cinci...are controlled by the Deathstar.
»www.puc.state.oh.us/pucogis/bigL···on_A.pdf
VZ isn't going to be in a hurry to wire up small towns or less populous counties like those covered in OH or other parts of the midwest. They're still trying to wire up heavily populated areas on the coasts, New England, NYC, etc...then eventually they'll move on to less populated areas like those in OH. It may take a few years, but it'll happen. | |
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| the reason why Ohio dont have Fios is because there is many small telco's that offer FTTH/FTTP, cable,dsl,wireless and the reason why I know this because I work for bright.net/comnet as tech support and Also there is many small telcos in MI does the same thing as ohio does. | |
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2 edits | said by Bob61571:No one in my entire state of Illinois has FiOS! And it's probably going to be a LONG time before IL EVER gets it, since Verizon didn't get it's way in that cable legislation that passed last year. So, they decided to take their toys & leave us - NOT like it's the first time, either!  
Yea, there's a pretty large Verizon LEC area 8 miles down the road from us in a very nice & growing town. (over 12K) If they were to ever get FiOS, I'd be selling the house ASAP & moving there, just to get something better than what we're stuck with now! (CC) Unfortunately, their cable is ALSO CC... | |
| | | | JeffreyConnoisseur of leisurely thingsPremium
join:2002-12-24
Long Island
kudos:3 | That indeed stinks, when no one in the state has it. Although, when everyone around you has it *except* you, it can be a little frustrating.
I don't know when Verizon has plans to come out to IL, but for the sake of competition, I hope soon. | |
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Yarmouth Port, MA
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1 edit | Once Again, Verizon Backoffice Systems Suck Sand Well I'd love to check it out, but as they have for three years running, Verizon's systems are unable to qualify an address without bursting into flames, killing animals or small children, or simply going "boobies up."
Why anyone would want to trust their telecommunications to a system that can't handle such a simple inquiry is beyond me.
GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER, VERIZON. I know you've got a good network, but you do nothing else well at all. DSL -- sucks. Support -- sucks. Billing -- sucks. Customer Service -- sucks. Online tools -- sucks.
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| | | | Re: Once Again, Verizon Backoffice Systems Suck Sand geez, not afraid of showing your hatred for verizon? not sure about the rest of the population using verizon services, but i don't have any issues.... | |
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| | Deploy it to rural areas Lots of us in rural areas are looking for an alternative to cable TV monopolies.
I don't care so much about internet access. I care more about the HD channels and quality. | |
| |  jmn1207Premium
join:2000-07-19
Ashburn, VA
kudos:1 | Re: Deploy it to rural areas ...and quantity. | |
| | cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:7 | said by fifty nine:Lots of us in rural areas are looking for an alternative to cable TV monopolies. What about these alternatives? | |
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| | All empty promises How about newark then?
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| |  NwkEWRSpare Me the Marxist B.S.Premium
join:2002-04-10
Newark, NJ | Re: All empty promises Yeah right, the NJ suburbs would get FIOS waaaayyy before we do, as usual we carry a much heavier load of governmental (US, NJ, County,) quasi-public (PA of NY & NJ,) Educational Institutions (NJ College of Medicine & Dentistry, Rutgers, NJIT, ECCC, County Vo-Tech, Arts, etc.,) social services (Regional, e.g., UMDNJ North Jersey Trauma Center) the poor that nobody else would allow within their jurisdictions, and so on and so forth, AND we never receive the appropriate level of funding that we would otherwise get if all of these institutions were to pay their fair share of property taxes, heck, my neighborhood of the Ironbound alone carries more than one third of the residential and residential/commercial property tax levy of the whole city, so the point is that when it comes to being shafted, Newark in general and the Ironbound in particular get the short end of that proverbial shaft most if not all of the time. So what else is new, right fellow Newarker?
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| | | | | Re: All empty promises Since we're talking about shaft, how's them Abbott districts? It's not just Newarkers who are picking up the tab for your expensive NJEA staffed inner city schools.
As for your tired and poor, don't worry, COAH is going to make sure that we all receive our "fair share." | |
| | | | NwkEWRSpare Me the Marxist B.S.Premium
join:2002-04-10
Newark, NJ | Re: All empty promises said by fifty nine:Since we're talking about shaft, how's them Abbott districts? It's not just Newarkers who are picking up the tab for your expensive NJEA staffed inner city schools. The Abbott court decision has not worked as originally planned. Was there a fair and legal rationale behind the original decision? Yes and no, the topic is part of a complex socioeconomic issue which cannot and should not be pigeonholed into a fallacy that suits the deliverer, there's plenty of blame to go around for the conditions that eventually led to the Abbott decision, just as the recipients are also to be blamed for their unwillingness to accept simple and basic concepts of civilized society, simply throwing someone else's money at school districts run by politically connected corrupt administrators while not demanding that parents of the children at those schools behave as parents should is folly, people like my wife and me had to send our three children to private high schools in order to be assured that the environment wherein they would be educated would be "normal," that is the case with most of the parents in my neighborhood, we pay the school system tax even though we pay for our children's education twice, facts that are mostly foreign and unknown to people who live in the boondocks where God's non-human creatures usually reside.
said by fifty nine:As for your tired and poor, don't worry, COAH is going to make sure that we all receive our "fair share." Nothing would help the tired and poor who are not the property of city folks as you may have suggested, more efficiently and effectively than rejecting the Socialistic policies of the urban areas of not only NJ, but most of the US of A, facilitating and supporting the real free enterprise system would take care of most of these folks, however, there would always be some who would simply refuse to work for a living, as long as people can exist (it cannot be called living) with the meager subsidies of what they believe is "the government's money" (it's really tax payers' money) while pretending to be unable to find gainful employment because "the man is always keeping them down" AND prefer to earn income under the table performing either legal or illegal tasks, we will continue to have more and more of our hard earned money stolen from us by the many proxy agents of the Socialists republic.
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| | | | If fios was to be in newark I have a fealing that the Ironbound would be the first place to get it in part due to the demographics in that area. | |
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join:2002-07-24
Cambridge, MA | No FIOS here Yep, Verizon passed our building.
I live in a 8 story midrise down the street from one of the biggest bundles of fiber in New England. MIT, the Technology Square biotech area, and several new developments in the area all have Verizon fiber. The building I work in has huge quantities of fiber coming.
Our condo board voted enthusiastically to get FIOS. The complex is well design with each tower having a central shaft leading to the demarc and conduit into each unit. The response from Verizon, "We don't do legacy buildings."
Guess they are not that eager. I got tired of waiting and dropped my Verizon landline and DSL service from a CLEC for Comcast Business. The 16/2 service has been rock solid so far.
End of story. | |
|  c64
join:2008-07-31
Lansdale, PA | WHO CARES! Fix the IMG problems and give us the coming soon channels.
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| | | Building Owner duped into a Community Agreement w/ Crapcast ...New owner does not want to be held by the previous owner's community contract, so VZ was installed in our community during construction.
I live in a new complex, and I am the first resident in this unit. There is something to be said about living in a new construction apartment, such as, "why didn't they place the light switch here," and, "why use a door knob that catches the blinds?" But one thing is for sure, FiOS rocks! Screw Comcast and the community contract. I am finally free of Comcast. | |
| | | | Please Come Fast in NY 10031 I need that 20/20 connection my RR services upload sucks it take around 45 minutes for just 175 MB!!! (60 KB/s)and my father is pay $55 Dollars for that services  with just adding 10 we have 20/20 compare to 10 Mbps / 512 Kbps . | |
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1 edit | Re: Please Come Fast in NY 10031 Hey kid, move out and pay for your own services then you can come here and gripe.
In the mean time, get off my lawn. | |
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Danvers, MA | Re: Please Come Fast in NY 10031 I'm not one in a million | |
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