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kudos:1 | Re: Fios deployment slowing said by lkviewguy:Agreements are meant t be broken. Telcos have a looooooong history of not living up to their end of agreements. I serious doubt the city of NY will be entirely wired by 2014 just because they said so. The density of NYC makes it a no brainer. I believe there are fines involved if they don't hold the commitment.
I would be more worried about the franchise agreements that say 20 or 40 households per mile Verizon must wire with FIOS. | |
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| Re: Fios deployment slowing The density of NYC makes it a no brainer. I believe there are fines involved if they don't hold the commitment. The agreements are drawn up so that if Verizon doesn't see certain take rates, they can essentially drag out the deadline indefinitely. The fine penalties for missing these deadlines also erode over time, so by 2013 if Verizon doesn't want to wire -- say a big chunk of the Bronx, they have plenty of options. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: Fios deployment slowing said by Karl Bode:The agreements are drawn up so that if Verizon doesn't see certain take rates, they can essentially drag out the deadline indefinitely. The fine penalties for missing these deadlines also erode over time, so by 2013 if Verizon doesn't want to wire -- say a big chunk of the Bronx, they have plenty of options. The only copy of the FIOS NYC franchise agreement online that I know of, and it was preliminary.
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kudos:25 | said by Karl Bode:They signed a deal with NYC To have the entire thing wired by 2014. Any slowdown shouldn't impact these big city franchise agreements -- though I'd still expect Verizon to wiggle out of full coverage to less profitable neighborhoods down the line. »www.teletruth.org/PennBroadbandfraud.html
Better check the fine print or you might end up like PA. For my $1135 I have a whopping 1 Mbps EVDO from Sprint. In other words, I got nothing.
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Everyone is hunkering down. Even upscale current/potential FiOS customers.
Verizon waiting on cheaper technological advances in future, before more aggressive buildouts? | |
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| Re: Verizon going to FTTN-like those they deride in commercials said by Linklist:You have to love it. Verizon may end up deploying FTTN in many areas like their hated cable competitors. I guess they will have to stop airing all those commercials bragging about how Fios(FTTH) is way better than what cable offers after they start offering the same service. Where was FTTN mentioned? | |
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1 edit | Re: Verizon going to FTTN-like those they deride in commercials said by aaronwt:said by Linklist:You have to love it. Verizon may end up deploying FTTN in many areas like their hated cable competitors. I guess they will have to stop airing all those commercials bragging about how Fios(FTTH) is way better than what cable offers after they start offering the same service. Where was FTTN mentioned? I mentioned it. It is the logical interim step. It is easy and much less costly to run FTTN deployments for now. And then build out FTTH later when capital dollars are once again available. And they can continue to roll out TV to FTTN deployments - just like AT&T.
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kudos:1 | Re: Verizon going to FTTN-like those they deride in commercials said by Linklist:I mentioned it. It is the logical interim step. It is easy and much less costly to run FTTN deployments for now. And then build out FTTH later when capital dollars are once again available. And they can continue to roll out TV to FTTN deployments - just like AT&T. The depreciation on the FTTN DSLAMs would make it impossible to upgrade them to FTTH for atleast a decade. FTTN isn't financially worth it in the "performance and features/price" figure. Residential FTTN install, I would guess its 50-100% of a FTTH install. I'll guess the passing per house for FTTN is only 1/4 of FTTH passing per house.
Also the saturation marketing Verizon does wouldn't work with FTTN looking at Uverse. Many homes are too far from the VRAD down the tree of copper trunk lines. Many trees are too small to place a VRAD on (1 cross connection serving a 1 block long aerial trunk, 30 families I guess, 1 end of the block is an underground mega-conduit feed serving the whole quadrant of the city going back to the CO). And cable can/will/has easily performance beaten FTTN/Uverse with DOCSIS 3. If cable beats telco TV and next gen telco internet on performance, telco TV can only compete on price, WHICH IS NOT WHAT VERIZON EVER DOES. Verizon does not compete on price against cable cos. Putting in telco TV for diehard cable co haters is foolish, they are too small in numbers, and they are already probably on satellite (time for telco to buy DN or D* lol). | |
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kudos:1 | Re: Verizon going to FTTN-like those they deride in commercials But the copper is already there, and USF pays for it. Fiber has installation labor costs and no USF support. | |
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kudos:1 | said by patcat88:The depreciation on the FTTN DSLAMs would make it impossible to upgrade them to FTTH for atleast a decade. FTTN isn't financially worth it in the "performance and features/price" figure. Residential FTTN install, I would guess its 50-100% of a FTTH install. I'll guess the passing per house for FTTN is only 1/4 of FTTH passing per house. Actually the difference between FTTH and FTTN has narrowed significantly. Verizon is forecasting a $650 per house pass by cost for 2010 and FTTN runs about $300 per house passed. However over the longer term if you take all the costs into consideration and not just capex it comes out that they are about the same. | |
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kudos:25 | said by Linklist:said by aaronwt:said by Linklist:You have to love it. Verizon may end up deploying FTTN in many areas like their hated cable competitors. I guess they will have to stop airing all those commercials bragging about how Fios(FTTH) is way better than what cable offers after they start offering the same service. Where was FTTN mentioned? I mentioned it. It is the logical interim step. It is easy and much less costly to run FTTN deployments for now. And then build out FTTH later when capital dollars are once again available. And they can continue to roll out TV to FTTN deployments - just like AT&T. I get the feeling Verizon is going to go with 4G in all areas they plan to upgrade and not deploy FIOS. For all other areas, forget it.
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Mount Kisco, NY | Gotta love those jealous cable companies and their customers FiOS is the best thing that ever happened to the last mile. It's an insanely great service. I'm convinced that all of the naysayers are either shills working for the cable company, or cable customers who are irate that FiOS isn't available in their area.
Seriously, give them some time. They're rebuilding their entire plant. That doesn't happen overnight, people. At the end of the day, they are in business to make money, not to cater to your whims. Verizon will eventually save money because the fiber plant is cheaper to maintain than the copper plant, but the transition is going to require a lot of time and a lot of money.
I fully expect Verizon to pick up the deployment pace again after The Obama Recession is over.
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| Re: Gotta love those jealous cable companies and their customers said by ajc18:FiOS is the best thing that ever happened to the last mile. It's an insanely great service. I'm convinced that all of the naysayers are either shills working for the cable company, or cable customers who are irate that FiOS isn't available in their area. Seriously, give them some time. They're rebuilding their entire plant. That doesn't happen overnight, people. At the end of the day, they are in business to make money, not to cater to your whims. Verizon will eventually save money because the fiber plant is cheaper to maintain than the copper plant, but the transition is going to require a lot of time and a lot of money. I fully expect Verizon to pick up the deployment pace again after The Obama Recession is over. Leave the bullshit last line out. Recession started last year and in some cases 2007, not this year. Recessions are natural progressions of the business cycle. Only their severity or lack there of is reflected by the choices of governments and businesses.
If Verizon has already wired 99% of their highly profitable areas then they don't have much more to go now do they.
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Verizon hasn't already wired 99% of their highly profitable areas. They still have Washington, D.C. and many other communities to go. | |
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The reality is that these people are afraid and are looking for something to fear. The right exploits that fear and redirects it to their causes such as refocusing the tax burden from the rich to the middle class with little regard to what that would eventually do to the country. Media outlets like faux news run constant publicity campaigns directed at invoking this "fear" in the these people to direct it to the popular cause of the day. IMO it's a disgusting abuse of naive individuals. | |
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| | | | | | Re: Gotta love those jealous cable companies and their customers So you think spending oneself out of a recession is possible? Excellent.
More power to Fox News...the only news source (and #1 in viewership, I might add, don't be jealous) who doesn't bend over backwards for the admin and their version of the truth. | |
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1 edit | Agreed about Obama
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| Re: Gotta love those jealous cable companies and their customers said by Van:Agreed about Obama We need more of what Bush gave us economically. His 8 years saw our economy sour upwards I can't tell if you meant that typo intentionally or not ("sour", really?) but either way it's funny as hell!
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1 edit | said by Van:Agreed about Obama We need more of what Bush gave us economically. His 8 years saw our economy sour upwards How ignorant that is. The economy was only soaring because of the greed that eventually imploded it.
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New Orleans, LA | Re: Gotta love those jealous cable companies and their customers I know. It is extremely ignorant blaming someone after 8 years of his terms but it is extremely educated to blame someone not even a full year into his term.
We get it. Bush is not to blame for anything, Obama is to blame for everything. Typical politics.
I thought I had seen it all when FakeNews was blaming Obama for the economy the day after he won the election. | |
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New Orleans, LA | Re: Gotta love those jealous cable companies and their customers Really, doing what exactly? Be specific now.... | |
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| vinnie97, why don't you head back to your "REDROOM" and argue your points there. Your posts are blatently biased and don't belong in a logical discussion on Verizon and FIOS.
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Every other company laying down huge amounts of infrastructure, like for example cable companies making their initial coax plant, had to amortize the cost of their plants over decades. Verizon is able to pay for everything, both wired and wireless, up front. It`s just insane how profitable they are.
Other rural carriers have to borrow money to lay out fiber, but not Verizon. Seriously, all this money is being siphoned away from our economy just to line the pockets of execs and `investors`. | |
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| Re: The Cherry picking becomes more targeted Do you have evidence of this suspension?
I've heard this as well, but Verizon's eager to stop Mass. from charging property taxes, so they often threaten to stop deployment if they don't get what they want from lawmakers.
I can't tell if union workers are just catching wind of this bluffing, or there really has been an expansion halt. | |
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Spencer, MA | Re: The Cherry picking becomes more targeted Every bit of evidence I see is that they are finishing up in the towns that they started, but are not going into any more communities. I talked about this with one of the lineworkers and he confirmed that there would be no further FIOS deployments in Mass. He did say they transferred some workers down to Rhode Island, but concurred that it's a real possibility that Verizon will dump much of Massachusetts. | |
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kudos:1 | FIOS funding How is FIOS being funded? Is Verizon taking dividends? deferring other capital upgrades? playing with depreciation? taking out loans/debt? Using cash from FP and Hawaii Telecom and Idearc spin offs? | |
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1 edit | Re: FIOS funding said by patcat88:How is FIOS being funded? The joke being told is FTTP= financed through the pensions.
Management with less than 15 years service lost all pension, those with more time had their pension frozen.
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| tunnel vision this is of no surprise.. the true advocates of FTTP/FIOS are all but GONE from the company. sales have been mixed at best and the wireless division has been carrying the company for 5 of the last 6 years (according to internal numbers). while VZ ponders what to do, they layoff workers, circle the wagons, and... GULP, COMPETE ON BOTTOM LINE PRICING (more often where competition lives than not)!
i'm not concerned about Cali, but watch very carefully what happens in NY and PA.. this will tell the story of whether VZ feels it bit off more than it can chew with FIOS in terms of expenditures vs ROI. while I'm not one to spin this negatively, there are going to be tea leaf readers out there who will say that Verizon is having trouble acquiring subscribers for FIOS products, particularly FIOS-TV. This shift may mean Verizon must be taking a bath in ROI of triple play and or phone/broadband dual play subscribers. The FIOS voice-aka freedom package doesn't compare well to cable-voip (aka digital voice with lots of calling features included vs 3-4 for vz not to mention damaging taxes/fees). So, what to do?
Honestly, there are no good answers except to say, HONOR & MAXIMIZE it's current commitments... and key to this will be the northeast.. NY, NJ, PA (as well as very dense deployed regions in its footprint). IMO, their current campaign isn't convincing.. maybe for fast food, but not FIOS. FIOS needs to market head-to-head and spell out exactly why the FIOS products are better (and if they're not-- be courageous enough to CHANGE THEM!) than the competition and prove it.. and they can only do that on certain aspects, until it's a complete package, customers will be missing. FIOS is just getting around to having it's local news channels startup in each franchise zone.. what, 6 years after initial deployment? As I've repeated time and again.. if this company keeps moving too slow to do the things they're supposed to do.. they begin to suffer from MCI-Worldcom disease/curse. | |
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| | | Re: tunnel vision They ate mci 
At this point Verizon really has to do 2 things.
1) Bite the bullet , cut the rates. make it cheaper for people to come to fios. Give people a lower extended rate then what the cable co's offer , not a 6 month gimmick. Let them know they are in it for the long haul.
2) Start wiring metro areas that are mdu's. You have the technology , and they have the man power.
1 & 2 together will kill their cable co competition fast.
Give people a $100 triple play. With voip over fios and let them have all their little perks on the phone line. Verizon owns a huge back haul , pay for local termination where you don't provide and stop taking a whack on local termination in washington for calls going to alaska ( just an example).
Get aggressive in a bad economy ! Workers are the highest cost and this can get cheaper. They game the system anyway , so just spin open a business , VCC or what ever for running fiber and digging the trenches , the work that they don't need the unionized work force to do. Hire workers to VCC bad economy people need work , they will take $15 an hour to dg ditches.
Get the places wired cheaper while they can. Investors right now are looking for huge gains in rough times , it just is not going to happen. Or if it does some thing has to give.
Personally I'd love to see the government finally step in. They can make this a social project , like the highways were.
Wire every state in the union with Fiber to every pop. Create pop's out in the country side. Multiple fiber links into each not on the same cable for back up. Then ftth on sonet type man.and then fiber up the last miles.
2 fold stuff just happened , we employed people and lowered the cost to business when they want to provide bandwidth.
Lease out the links , a provider is doing a bad job , they come along swap the nid out to a new provider. let's make this easy !
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| | | | Re: tunnel vision no workers are not the highest cost. its the ceo and all those presidents and vice presidents that keep fleecing verizon with all their overpaid salaries and bonuses. ive never seen more people who run a company get rewarded for doing a below average job. verizon stock prices havent increase in years yet all the raises for these people keep going up.
the fios installers are the ones who keep this company afloat. letting any of them go in layoffs and hiring scab workers in non union jobs is just another slap in the face from corporate greed
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| said by tmc8080:this is of no surprise.. the true advocates of FTTP/FIOS are all but GONE from the company. sales have been mixed at best and the wireless division has been carrying the company for 5 of the last 6 years (according to internal numbers). while VZ ponders what to do, they layoff workers, circle the wagons, and... GULP, COMPETE ON BOTTOM LINE PRICING (more often where competition lives than not)! i'm not concerned about Cali, but watch very carefully what happens in NY and PA.. this will tell the story of whether VZ feels it bit off more than it can chew with FIOS in terms of expenditures vs ROI. while I'm not one to spin this negatively, there are going to be tea leaf readers out there who will say that Verizon is having trouble acquiring subscribers for FIOS products, particularly FIOS-TV. This shift may mean Verizon must be taking a bath in ROI of triple play and or phone/broadband dual play subscribers. The FIOS voice-aka freedom package doesn't compare well to cable-voip (aka digital voice with lots of calling features included vs 3-4 for vz not to mention damaging taxes/fees). So, what to do? Honestly, there are no good answers except to say, HONOR & MAXIMIZE it's current commitments... and key to this will be the northeast.. NY, NJ, PA (as well as very dense deployed regions in its footprint). IMO, their current campaign isn't convincing.. maybe for fast food, but not FIOS. FIOS needs to market head-to-head and spell out exactly why the FIOS products are better (and if they're not-- be courageous enough to CHANGE THEM!) than the competition and prove it.. and they can only do that on certain aspects, until it's a complete package, customers will be missing. FIOS is just getting around to having it's local news channels startup in each franchise zone.. what, 6 years after initial deployment? As I've repeated time and again.. if this company keeps moving too slow to do the things they're supposed to do.. they begin to suffer from MCI-Worldcom disease/curse. Well stated, and I agree. In addition, Verizon needs to rethink and revamp its entire customer service and billing departments. There is far too much frustration being endured with simple ordering and questions about service, and far too many erroneous billing reports as well.
BTW - I'm a former FiOS customer that switched back to Optimum triple play - it was a decision based entirely on price and value. I never had FiOS TV though, I was a DirecTV subscriber at the time instead. | |
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On the other hand, if they've exhausted their initial $23 billion capital expenditure for the network rollout, it makes sense that they'd have to slow down. Verizon's revenues aren't an unlimited ATM for the FIOS people to draw from. It’s just as likely that they want to start MAKING MONEY off of these areas where they’ve laid down the fiber. Then, when they start to recoup some of their investment they can begin diverting this cash flow into further expansions with more confidence. Let’s be honest. We all know that these guys face HUGE up-front costs. The money has to come from somewhere, and for crying out loud, they just spent $23 billion! The recession only increases all the factors that would make them want to wait. This seems much more like a strategic pause, a chance to breathe a little, build up some more capital, and evaluate how the current roll-out is doing, before another flurry of activity (probably once the recession ends.) | |
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kudos:25 | said by jjeffeory:I really think that the point of Fios isn't short term ROI. It's a ROI for the next 100 years! The executives want their fat bonuses and need the bottom line to look better. With the moves they're making it appears to me they are thinking short term.
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| | | Re: It's a me too product... The first major U.S. incumbent operator to offer fiber to the home is a "me too" product? | |
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| | | Verizon was was the first major company to offer fiber to the home in the US. How in the world is that "Me too"? Oh, you're an optimum online costumer. That explains it!
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| Re: It's a me too product... said by jjeffeory: Oh, you're an optimum online costumer. That explains it! Never mind, carry on.... Why do you blame him for being an OOL customer?
I am an OOL customer too.
Verizon REFUSES to put FiOS in many prosperous upper-middle class towns in central NJ---such as Marlboro.
(Total township population: 41,458)
(Median family income: $ 137,319)
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Because Verizon REFUSES to put in FiOS, we MUST use OOL.
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Santa Clara, CA | Anything that slows FTTH is bad The US desperately needs to upgrade its physical plant. If we hope to compete with Asia for jobs and commerce in the next 100 years we can't afford to let them blow past us in internet connection speed and quality. | |
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MordhemLove it, Hate it.
join:2003-07-10
Baltimore, MD | Verizon complains, Why do we need to upgrade? Makes me wonder what Verizon is smoking. Its amazing that Verizon finds more time complains practically every day about the need to upgrade a network, then they do in actually upgrading it. They need to face the facts, you got to upgrade your crappy god dam network that has been dieing since the early stone ages. To bad the dangling the fiber optics wont last for ever considering most modern cable company's have vast amounts of fiber optics installed already so some city's can tell them to shove it. They are just mad that they can't have the monopoly they once had and they cant seem to adapt to all this competition they have now since acquired. I am going to take a wild guess and say that they thought the cable company's where all going to file for chapter 11 when they said they were going to start installing fiber to all the homes of America and put a end to all of the cable company's. Yea good job Verizon.
I really do hope they keep stalling because by the time they do start to make progress they will have successfully made their service irrelevant in the market place considering most cable company's have fiber less than 200 - 100 feet from peoples houses right now. The fact is Verizon has a aging network and its going to end up extinct if they like it or not(hopefully with them). They will have the choice of ether evolve or die with the services they offer.
I really do love the history of cable, its almost been the same way ever since the first antenna was put up on top of the hill and the wire was ran down to the residents below. One thing the cable company's have always had almost since its birth was the presence of some sort of competition and in my opinion this is what has put the company's like Comcast ahead of their new rival Verizon & AT&T. See for years the bells had no competition and their was no reason to upgrade anything, because if you did not like it... Well what are you going to do about it, go with out a phone? The phone company's history compared to cable company's had some vary easy pickings but to bad the telecoms could not see in to the future because they could have done rolled out some sort of network upgrade with in the last hundred years or so & would possibly be sitting at a much better position then they are at now. Considering now its not really a upgrade, more like a overhaul.
Back in the day the cable company's have had the same problem that Verizon now faces, that of competition. but company's like Comcast have been in a state of war ever since the birth of their company so you could also say in many ways Comcast has been more prepared & hardened for the future as they did not have the luxury of allowing their network to just sit and age wile collect a bill.The life of most cable company's have always remained the same, for years as new technology was released & competition increased such as satellite providers they have had to upgrade to remain relevant & competitive. Unlike Verizon Comcast did not cry about the needs to upgrade their network because they know that's why the customer is paying a monthly bill & to keep that monthly bill rolling in that they would need to stay ahead of the pack. It seems Verizon still wants to receive something for nothing. But Comcast has been in a state of upgrading since the wars began.
As time has progressed the bells had DSL & back then it was fairly competitive verse cable internet both where at the time vary pricey as well. But this like most things the cable giants faced did nothing but to strengthen allot of cable company's network infrastructure, as long that they had resources to do so anyways. Comcast Unlike Verizon had competition from all fronts so they was forced to stay relevant or be forced out the game by satellite & the phone company's. So the cable company's did the only thing you can do when your faced with competition in the technology market & that's to become faster, better and stronger. So they have been in the state of upgrading since almost forever now. I cant remember anytime before when a Comcast rep was caught crying about the injustice they have been suffering with forced upgrades, or about when they had to add fiber so that they could add more services to make even more money. So I don't see why its any different for Verizon. Guess they just wish they could go back in time to the way it was back in the day, or may be they just wish they could lobby to make it illegal so that the cable company's can no longer offer phone service so that they will never need to upgrade their network. That's what they want. I think I do remember them trying to sue voip providers at one point lol.
What is funny though is what made the cable company's a multimedia power house, is what Verizon is really truthfully facing for the first time ever since the advent of the internet along with voip & that sir is Competition. Now the Cable company's are able to strike back and they are try for once and for all to put them out of the picture. So the clear option for the lagging bells are to upgrade or die with the services they offer & you know the bells just hate this, being forced to spend money shesh. Because trust me if it was not for pressure from cable company's like Comcast Verizon would never upgrade their network, and 400 years from now the hole phone system would just crash.
As much as they run their mouth about their fiber Comcast has been rolling that s**t out now for years & they can easily compete with Verizon Fios if it was completely built out to day. Verizon cant compete if they don't upgrade. See as Comcast faced these company's attacking their network & revenue the answer has always remained the same, so this fight with Verizon is just business as usual. But with every fight in the past, Comcast pipe has gotten bigger and bigger to be able to offer more services and at faster speeds. You could compare this battle vary simply like this. Now imagine this.
Comcast to Intel, Intel has been battling for years and has been steadily competing with other processors, the way they have been doing so is by upgrading. They are currently on to the Core i7 975 XE @ 3.33Ghz from all the years of upgrading.
Verizon to Motorola, Motorola has had virtually no competition mainly due because of the monopoly they held with in their own market. But lately the monopoly they once held closed has been broken wide open and their main competitor is now Intel. Motorola is currently on to the Motorola 68040 @ 25Mhz. In a statement Motorola plans to launch a new product called the Motorola Fios that will be able to compete wit the Intel Core i7 975 XE.
Its sad, but its the bells own fault the position they are now in. If they had taken care of their network in the past they would not be needing to take such a leap in to the future. since they let their network slip for so long its really their only choice and the leap ahead shows just how long they let there network slide. So about Verizon talking about offering VDSL, I think I smell BS its just not practical I seen another phone company doing that in another state but facts are facts, they wont be able to compete eventually if they stay on copper and not to mention if they slow down and try rely on their 172 year old copper network company's like Comcast will end up looking to hit that last nail in the coffin for them.
If Verizon can't handle the competition may be they should have went in to another business, like baking or something. Because in the world of technology you ether evolve or you become obsolete. As the statistics have been showing DSL is on the road to becoming the next 56K. As for the strangle hold on some rural areas that have no other choice but copper lines don't worry, I guaranty you that wireless will eventually take care of those areas as well.
Sorry for any grammar errors, its 7:29 am and I been up all night, so good night everyone. | |
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| | FIOS Deployment Slowing Wasn't there Six or Seven Billion dollars identified in the the stimulus bill for high speed internet. Maybe they are trying to game the system to get some of that money. | |
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