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Verizon unveiled their third quarter earnings this morning, and as suspected, wireless service continued to be the company's biggest growth engine. Verizon Wireless added 1.2 million net new customers, bringing their wireless subscriber total to 89 million. Data revenues in particular jumped a whopping 48.1 percent thanks to increased smartphone adoption and the the cash cow known as SMS. 58% of Verizon's $27.3 billion in revenues comes from the company's wireless services.

On the terrestrial broadband side of the equation, Verizon added 198,000 net new FiOS Internet customers to end the quarter with 3.3 million customers, 2.7 million of whom subscribe to FiOS TV. That 198,000 was down slightly from Wall Street estimates -- down 18.0% from last year and down 36.3% from quarter two's 300,000 new subscribers. Because of a continued loss of DSL customers, Verizon added a net total 63,000 broadband subscribers.

As was the case with AT&T, Verizon's primary problem continues to be the loss of traditional landline customers, which contributed to a 30% overall decline in third-quarter profit. The company dropped 695,000 residential customers on the quarter, and revenues fell 4.8% to $11.6 billion. Verizon's laid off 8,000 employees due to their migration away from rural landline and DSL service, and is in progressively planning to cut another 8,000 positions.
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lakerfan82
join:2009-01-30
Corona, CA

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No surprise

No surprise their Fios growth slowed...They jacked up their prices last quarter, in some cases by more than $15/month depending on the package.

Greg2600
join:2008-05-20
Belleville, NJ

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Re: No surprise

Clearly the numbers prove pricing is an issue. They are losing tons of landline customers to cable-phone, because FIOS is not available and you'd have to be nuts to keep paying two companies for phone and TV/Internet. The FIOS pricing is now at the point where I think it's cheaper to stay with cable.

morbo
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Re: No surprise

U-Verse will be at that price point sooner than anyone expects.
hottboiinnc4
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Re: No surprise

already is in many areas. Ohio is one of the areas.

Vchat20
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said by Greg2600:

...and you'd have to be nuts to keep paying two companies for phone and TV/Internet.
Not really. Once the 'gee-wiz' factor of having all 3 services on one bill wears off, it's easier to see that money can actually be saved going with separate services for each.

Right now our house has Time Warner's triple play and we, too, thought the same. But as times have become more frugal we have realised where money can be saved by NOT going to Time Warner for everything. Right now we are paying about $185/mo to Time Warner for just basic digital services, one HD DVR, standard phone package, and RR lite. This is without the promotional pricing. Figuring it out we will be switching to Dish with the equivalent channel package (and still come out better with more channels, tons of HDs, etc.) and an HD DVR that can do two tv's. Callcentric for phone service. And stick with Time Warner for HSI but bump up to the standard tier. With that setup we'll be saving approximately $65 per month and that is without promotional discounts.

Maybe if you can afford what is being charged for these TP packages it may seem stupid to part out services to 3 different providers. But with much of America these days, frugality is becoming a well sought concept.
Happydude32
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Re: No surprise

My situation is a little different as I desperately want to do triple play, but my area is not digital phone serviceable yet from Time Warner. I currently have digital cable with 2 HD DVRs and just about every channel on the system plus Road Runner Turbo. Digital Phone may be advertised as 'As low at $39.95 a month'. But when you do the math on what I'm paying now for TV and broadband versus what a triple play package would cost, it's a hell of a lot less then $40 a month. I think it's more like a $25 price differential.

If you did (and I did) an apples to apples comparison, of going with Time Warner for everything in my area versus a DirecTV/Verizon POTS/Verizon DSL combo, it is actually $2 cheaper to go with TW Triple Play. I think it comes down to $215 v $217 a month, that's including franchise fees on cable and all the BS fees Verizon charges. These comparisons are a little off now that I added the Spanish Tier to my cable service though. And Verizon DSL is only 3Mb and I'm getting 15Mb from Road Runner. I could not take that reduction in speed. Road Runner Turbo by itself would be $55, $25 more than Verizon DSL.

I could care less about the novelty of having one bill, I have everything set up on auto pay via my credit card, so essentially everything is on one bill. I just don't want to support the thugs at Verizon. And traditional VoIP providers like Vonage and whoever is left, that's simpley out of the question. I don't care how cheap it is, I do not want my phone service through some third rate third party that might not even be around tomorrow (Sun Rocket). Hell even the big guys shut down their VoIP operations (AT&T CallVantage, Verizon VoiceWing). I trust Time Warner will be in business tomorrow, Vonage or MagicJack on the other hand...

Price is not my ultimate concern, level of service is. Sure I could get MagicJack, Granny DSL from Verizon and some el cheapo package from Dish or DirecTV, but I'd lose many many options, many many channels and a lot of internet bandwidth.

And Verizon sure is hell cherry picking were to install Fios, at least here in the Buffalo area. Two of the first areas to get Fios were the area where a lot of the Buffalo Bills players reside, and the wealthiest town in Western NY.
itguy05
join:2005-06-17
Carlisle, PA

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quote:
They are losing tons of landline customers to cable-phone, because FIOS is not available and you'd have to be nuts to keep paying two companies for phone and TV/Internet.
I pay 3:

Verizon for Internet
DirecTV for TV
ViaTalk for Phone

The savings for Verizon FIOS double play are under $10 a month (they can't touch ViaTalk rates).

Needless to say, the only compelling reason for Fios is more internet speed and that $150 carrot.

dvd536
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said by Greg2600:

The FIOS pricing is now at the point where I think it's cheaper to stay with cable.
And the primetime slowdowns.
I'd rather only have to share with 32 people as opposed to hundreds on overloaded cable nodes.

FastiBook
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Newtown, PA

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Rising equipment and labor costs don't play a factor, neither does fiber-ing apartment buildings, it's just all profit! /sarcasm.

- A

lakerfan82
join:2009-01-30
Corona, CA

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Re: No surprise

I don't know what in my post led you to the conclusion that I believed Verizon was jacking up prices for the sole purpose of "profits." I couldn't care less how much profit Verizon makes, I was just pointing out that their increase in rates last quarter appears (at least at first glance) to be the main cause of their lower subscriber increases. It was just an observation.
ashman454
join:2004-03-10
Manassas, VA

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Also

Well that and they've also laid off FiOS installers. I've got the Fiber Vaults in my neighborhood (one right in front of my house) now if they would just run the Fiber to them and to my house, I'd add one more to there subscriber numbers.
openbox9
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Re: Also

Heh, I haven't seen any work around my area and I had a "FiOS is Coming Soon" door hanger advertisement waiting at my house last week. Curious to see how long it'll take to install and turn up the service.

JRW2
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I'd add one too, if they ran the fiber in my area.

I would climb the pole and CUT the cable link to my house PERSONALLY the day I get FIOS installed. I HATE CV service and the varying speeds!

They need to get off their "butts" and start running it in MORE areas!!!

Pathfinder5
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There is no such title as FIOS Installer. They are Field Technicians as are the POTS installers and repairmen. The people that got laid off were field techs. If they happened to work in a FIOS garage then if needed they will be backfilled.
BTW they got rid of 8000 techs but I would venture to guess that less than 1000 were laid off. The rest were offered an enhanced retiremant package.

PapaMidnight
join:2009-01-13
Baltimore, MD

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Should probably actually build out

They should probably stop cherry picking and half-assing build outs. Then subscriber numbers might actually increase. I know if they finally decided to build that one damn block from where they stopped digging in December 07 to my neighborhood (and my house), I could guarantee them 70% conversion (conservative estimate, though 80% is likely) from Comcast to Verizon FiOS.
openbox9
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Re: Should probably actually build out

They do not cherry pick. My neighborhood is proof positive. Can we please move on...

70% of what?
jjeffeory
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Re: Should probably actually build out

Alexandria is proof that Vz doesn't cherry pick?
LOL That's funny! Thanks for the laugh!!!
weaver
join:2001-12-13
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Re: Should probably actually build out

Actually, I guess it is proof that they don't cherry pick. I live in the City of Alexandria, and since they haven;\'t wired any of it, they aren't exactly cherry picking.

The new telephone contract was approved by the City Council in mid June, but Verizon has not even scheduled any construction yet. I guess they're waiting for the new television contract.
openbox9
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I'm not sure what you find humorous. Alexandria isn't the only location. There are several posts around this forum highlighting affluent areas lacking FiOS service while areas of lesser value in the vicinity has FiOS.
puck0114
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Re: Should probably actually build out

Yeah, the whole cherry picking argument lacks any basis in facts. Heck, Anacostia, one of the poorest neighborhoods in the region, is going to get FiOS before many of the more affluent sections of DC.
jjeffeory
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Re: Should probably actually build out

Yes, they're going to get it before the NW side of DC, but I'm sure that was part of the deal Vz had to make with the district in order to get a franchise. Really, most areas around DC in Va and MD currently have Fios. I'm not sure using Anacostia as an example against cherry picking is a good thing to do either. I'm trying to look at both sides of the argument. I'm not convinced that Vz is cherry picking in a negative way, but I wouldn't quite rule it out either.

Bill Neilson
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Re: Should probably actually build out

Sure hope so. I am sitting DC and just waiting for FiOS to come here.

I am stuck with absolutely terribly slow internet and no HD (due to MDU apartment) and I have been told that when Verizon comes, the apartment will upgrade to them.

So, I am JUST WAITING

PapaMidnight
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Re: Should probably actually build out

..and waiting...

dvd536
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said by puck0114:

Yeah, the whole cherry picking argument lacks any basis in facts. Heck, Anacostia, one of the poorest neighborhoods in the region, is going to get FiOS before many of the more affluent sections of DC.
because you sometimes have to go through the poor areas to GET to the rich ones.
jjeffeory
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You used Alexandria or YOUR neighborhood as proof positive that Verizon doesn't cherry pick. That's what was funny. I'm not sure that Verizon cherry picks in a negative sense, but you writing what you did was humorous.
openbox9
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Re: Should probably actually build out

Poor choice of words on my part. I stand by my point that Alexandria, and many other locations identified around forums such as this, appear to disprove the "cherry picking" allegation.
patcat88
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said by openbox9:

I'm not sure what you find humorous. Alexandria isn't the only location. There are several posts around this forum highlighting affluent areas lacking FiOS service while areas of lesser value in the vicinity has FiOS.
They pick by and build out by central office. One half of the central office might be Baghdad, the other is Malibu or Palm Beach. They will build out Baghdad because they also build out Malibu and Palm Beach in the process.
openbox9
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Re: Should probably actually build out

Which only helps to further disprove claims of cherry picking.

NJBoricua75
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said by PapaMidnight:

They should probably stop cherry picking and half-assing build outs. Then subscriber numbers might actually increase. I know if they finally decided to build that one damn block from where they stopped digging in December 07 to my neighborhood (and my house), I could guarantee them 70% conversion (conservative estimate, though 80% is likely) from Comcast to Verizon FiOS.
Exactly. No $hit, Verizon's Fios growth is slowing. It's not available in places that really matter. They're so stupid they practically give away service areas to the cable co's. They could have so many converts here in the NYC area but they're too busy being arrogant by cherry picking and half-assing build outs.

N3OGH
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I don't buy the cherry picking argument.

The ghetto's of Wilmington, De had Fios a long time before I could get it.

Median income for my town: $84,661

Median income for the most ghetto-fied part of Wilmington, DE: $38,144

If that's cherry picking, that's one rotten ass cherry....
puck0114
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Re: Should probably actually build out

Exactly.

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One area here and there doesnt count. Viewed as whole verizon does cherry pick.

FFH5
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More details, charts, slides, etc at links below

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Robert
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iPhone hurt VZW

VZW added 1.2 million wireless customers - AT&T added 2 million wireless customers, thanks to the iPhone.

Hopefully the droid will help VZW convert iPhone users over.
puck0114
join:2005-12-24
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Re: iPhone hurt VZW

It won't happen. The Droid isn't an Apple product. Like it or not, the Apple brand breeds loyalty that no one else can touch. Frankly, the iPhone remains leaps and bounds ahead of their "competition," and I haven't seen anything about the Droid that suggests it will be any different.
rdmiller
join:2005-09-23
Richmond, VA

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Kill the copper

At some point, Verizon is going to be able to give every existing copper customer a free cell phone, switch them to Verizon Wireless and let the copper go dark. It will be cheaper than maintaining all that copper for such a small user base.
patcat88
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Re: Kill the copper

said by rdmiller:

At some point, Verizon is going to be able to give every existing copper customer a free cell phone, switch them to Verizon Wireless and let the copper go dark. It will be cheaper than maintaining all that copper for such a small user base.
Abandonment permits are pretty hard/impossible to get. Prepare for PUC hearings (usually only 1 PUC member shows up, and says nothing the whole time, unless the politcians that appointed him tell him to pay attenting because their reelection is at stake) and senior citizens in wheelchairs preaching.
majortom1029
join:2006-10-19
Medford, NY

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appartments

There are still places that verizon refuses to wire for fios. HEre on long island they are practically giving sections of long island to cablevision. They also refuse to wire appartments complexes. Even appartments that have walls withing 20 feet from the fios jack on the street.
Bob61571
join:2008-08-08
Washington, IL

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Re: appartments

said by majortom1029:

There are still places that verizon refuses to wire for fios.
There are entire regions that Verizon refuses to wire for FiOS! Nothing in Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan, or Ohio. Parts of Fort Wayne, Indiana(and 2 suburbs) are the only FiOS in Indiana, and the Midwest. Of course, Verizon plans to write off its Midwest Verizon territory(and other states), by unloading it to Frontier.

If you read DSLR, others share your frustration w/Verizon FiOS and its buildout.
UofMiamiGrad
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said by majortom1029:

There are still places that verizon refuses to wire for fios. HEre on long island they are practically giving sections of long island to cablevision. They also refuse to wire appartments complexes. Even appartments that have walls withing 20 feet from the fios jack on the street.
The above is hilarious. The major issue with MDU deployment is getting the managing company and building owner to allow Verizon into the property to offer FIOS to the units. If you have any personal dealing with it, it is one of the slowest and most frustrating things.

mackey
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The $400 TV deposit may have something to do with it

We have had FiOS internet for about 2 years now, and we finally decided to get TV service. Verizon wanted a $400 deposit on a $70/mo service (with a single std. def. box). Comcast wanted ~$70 (i.e. the first month's bill). We went with Comcast. We have NEVER been late with our payments as they auto-bill to a CC every month, and they've never bounced. gg Verizon

/mackey

dvd536
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Re: The $400 TV deposit may have something to do with it

said by mackey:

We have had FiOS internet for about 2 years now, and we finally decided to get TV service. Verizon wanted a $400 deposit on a $70/mo service (with a single std. def. box). Comcast wanted ~$70 (i.e. the first month's bill). We went with Comcast. We have NEVER been late with our payments as they auto-bill to a CC every month, and they've never bounced. gg Verizon
Hows your credit report looking?
had a bankruptcy lately?

mackey
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Re: The $400 TV deposit may have something to do with it

said by dvd536:

Hows your credit report looking?
had a bankruptcy lately?
Credit report looks good, no bankruptcies or anything. I was under the impression they did not even run it for existing customers adding a service...

Still though, even if a credit report came back "not good", $400??? I could see $200 to cover their $100 box (if that) and 1 month of service, but $400? No way!

/mackey
tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Brooklyn, NY

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novelty of fttp has worn off...

Aside from competitive triple play in the northeast against cablevision, Verizon is playing the: as competitive as we wanna be game. this along with the honeymoon that had the first fttp lines being deployed in 2003, the service is 6 years old. docsis 3 is seeing deployment in 50% of the top market cities across the usa. add to that, the companies refuse to compete on an apples to apples basis for one or all three services. cable in most markets can't sell you "just phone service" while they can sell you just tv, or just broadband... go figure. verizon's reported earnings point to a problem.. they gained MORE subscribers but took a near $3 BILLION DOLLAR HIT to get them! This means they cut their prices to that of the cable companies to gain market share. So, don't go by the lure of FIOS on it's face, demand a good deal to switch.. demand an even better deal to stay... let's face it, it costs them MORE to LOSE a subscriber than to gain one. Just make sure they don't screw you over on QOS, billing, or contract terms! In the past, when I cancelled TV service, they also shut down the internet because the c/s agent wanted to be a scumbag-- yeah, it was really an accident (this was at least 3 years back so, I'm well over it, but this is more commonplace than you might think-- this time I write down c/s agent names just incase someone doesn't value their job enough).

There is a silver lining, though.. Verizon is partnering with Tracfone and Walmart for unlimited cell talk, text and data for $45 a month (www.straighttalk.com). Apparently, Verizon doesn't want to keep losing unlimited pre-paid cell subscribers to Sprint anymore, but do so in a way that doesn't damage the brand & parntership with Vodafone. BTW, offer some REAL PHONES, or the plan isn't worth $45 a month!

Did I forget to mention that Verizon has to compete on BOTTOM LINE PRICE? I love how cablevision's ad targeted to business customers tells of Verizon's " * " which makes a $59.99 dual play into $71.87 for dsl/phone locked into a 2-year contract. No doubt the price is for FIOS too, where it's offered, and it's 1 year, not 2... but do the math:

$71.87-59.99=$11.88 each month savings, which equals about the price of that $150 gift card Verizon's offering.. Hmm.. oh well, that's probably where the $3 billion is going. FTTP being sold at cable company rates.. woohoo, Verizon must take a bath on the taxes & fees! I bet Verizon can now hear about the pressure to get into VOIP more than ever!

MadMANN3
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Where's the hero?

Gee, I thought Fios was supposed to be the knight in shining armor to save the world from the big bad cable monster? Seems to me that the big cable companies are hiring in many areas to support growth and upgrades as many telco and fiber employees find their jobs in peril. Could it be all those who predicted big cable would be dead by now are wrong??

Yeah, pretty much.

But hey, it's their own fault. If they would have done this 13 or so years ago as they were supposed to do, they would be the big evil fiber company by now and people would be begging the likes of Comcast or Time Warner to build in their area.

Goes to show that even the spoiled and arrogant children of kazillionaire ma bell are not immune to struggle.
kd6cae
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Build out FIOS already!

A friend has FIOS that lives about 6 miles from me, and I'm not sure but I believe there is pockets of FIOS closer to me than that, like within 2 miles or so. So why exactly can't I get FIOS? Because Verizon is only putting FIOS in new developments in this area from what I can gather. The city isn't exactly rural, yet I'm stuck with slow DSL do to my distance from the CO, and my cable upload speed isn't much better because time Warner doesn't seem to know how to operate their network in this area.
How do we get Verizon to build out to the rest of this city? Many folks I know as well as myself would happily switch to FIOS if Verizon would just give us the ability to do so! You'd think they'd do anything they could to get new subscribers. I hope this area will see FIOS some day.

aaronwt
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Re: Build out FIOS already!

said by kd6cae:

A friend has FIOS that lives about 6 miles from me, and I'm not sure but I believe there is pockets of FIOS closer to me than that, like within 2 miles or so. So why exactly can't I get FIOS? Because Verizon is only putting FIOS in new developments in this area from what I can gather. The city isn't exactly rural, yet I'm stuck with slow DSL do to my distance from the CO, and my cable upload speed isn't much better because time Warner doesn't seem to know how to operate their network in this area.
How do we get Verizon to build out to the rest of this city? Many folks I know as well as myself would happily switch to FIOS if Verizon would just give us the ability to do so! You'd think they'd do anything they could to get new subscribers. I hope this area will see FIOS some day.
You need to talk to your city/county reps to get an agreement with Verizon.

My County made an agreement with FIOS for a county franchise. As part of that agreement Verizon has to wire the entire county for FIOS with in FIOS. VErizon has been working like crazy and has not been cherry picking.
kd6cae
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Re: Build out FIOS already!

Wouldn't Verizon have had to have gotten a city agreement of some sort to even put FIOS in the extremely small part of the city where it is currently? Or would that have been just a matter of talking to property owners directly since it's in such a small area, only newer developments?
Lazlow
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Saint Louis, MO

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Cheaper to build out now?

You would think with unemployment as high as it right now that they could get the fiber put down at a pretty good price (labor). The price of fiber itself has also dropped dramatically over the last 5(?) years. While I know they seldom compete with the other baby bells, St. Louis would be a prime target. Both Charter and ATT(the only two real choices here) have botched things so badly here, they would get droves of converts even if they only offered 20Mbps service(currently 5Mbps is $65/month from Charter(off special) and dsl is unavailing since Uverse was supposed to come through, it was available pre Uverse.).

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Smith6612

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Faster Built-out = increase in subscribers?

Well, I can say that build-out in my area seems to be a little slow. Either they don't have enough people wiring up FiOS in my area, they're building up other parts of my area which I don't even know about. All I can say is, the closest neighborhood to me that has FiOS up and running (6 miles bird's flight) was wired up a year ago. Since then, Verizon only wired up another neighborhood, about a mile wide in another year, and that neighborhood still cannot get FiOS the last I checked. Now from what I hear on this site Verizon in the past could wire up entire neighborhoods in basically a week or two. They were able to do the same in my area.

So yeah. I know of tons of people who want FiOS. The thing is, they've been waiting for years (I've been waiting for 4 years now) and they're with Time Warner at the moment (and in my case, DSL with Dish Network). Add in the fact that Time Warner will has DOCSIS 3.0 ready throughout my entire area in basically a month, and they've got some competition starting to come on. Build out FiOS faster, and the way I see it, they'll get subscribers faster. Unless of course, this price hike is just a way for them to build up more money for building FiOS faster?
radiomaze
join:2009-10-25
Curwensville, PA

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Verizon DSL,FIOS and wireless.

It took me 5 years to get DSL where I live. It will most likely take onther 10 to 15 years before I see FIOS. Heres an IDEA, verizon needs a wireless broadband service for home and buisness. But it seems they're engineers can't wrap their around that. As far as just the plain wireless phone service goes I either have to go outside, or use the wired,or the bluetooth head set just get a signal.
The tower I have to hit is about 7 miles away and there is a ton of hills in the way. I've told them many times they need a tower out here. Its not just me everyone I know has their calls dropped all the time out here. With 15 years in 2 way radio communications I can proudly say their RF engineers are morons.
nltech
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West Haverstraw, NY

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Cablevision probably taking a beating

I bet FIOS growth is way up in Cablevision territory. Allot of people I know who had Cablevision for most of their life I see switching because of the loss of analog channels.

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hobgoblin

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Re: Cablevision probably taking a beating

said by nltech:

I bet FIOS growth is way up in Cablevision territory. Allot of people I know who had Cablevision for most of their life I see switching because of the loss of analog channels.
So because they lose analog channels they move to an all digital service?

Hob
ebubman
join:2002-01-17
Mechanicsburg, PA

ebubman

Member

landline?

what's a landline?

nbphoneguy
@verizon.com

nbphoneguy

Anon

Re: landline?

The only reliable service out their!

MadMANN3
Premium Member
join:2005-08-19

MadMANN3

Premium Member

Re: landline?

said by nbphoneguy :

The only reliable service out their!
Said like someone desperate to keep their job.

You want to talk about reliability? How about Comcast getting to your house within 24 hours if not same day if you pick up your phone and you have no dial tone, while Verizon tells their customers that they will be there sometime within the next 6 days.

My phone was out for 8 days with Verizon before CDV was launched. I have been down a total of 1.5 hours since I got rid of Verizon.

A neighbor had her phone line taken down by a semi one Monday morning. The line was crossing the road and was laying there being run over by cars and trucks passing by. When she called Verizon they told her the next available appointment was on Sunday but they would try to squeeze her in if they had an opening. They also told her to collect the wire and coil it up in the neighbor's yard until they got there so it wouldn't be a safety hazard. Unfortunately, they were so busy getting their butts beat by Comcast, other cell phone carriers, and even their own wireless division that they couldn't make until Sunday. She was out for a whole week. Luckily she didn't have to use 911, huh?

I know people who have been without dial tone so long that they were able to port their number to Comcast before Verizon would show up to repair their service.

I also look around and see trees falling on their plant and wires hanging low because the lashing is loose all over the place. The trees stay there for months at a time and the loose lashing takes someone from the township to threaten them before it gets done.

I'm sorry, but the 99.9% uptime has long been forgotten around here and even the Verizon techs know it. Their cake-walk jobs are only being held together by the union. If not for them, they would be part-timers by now.

jimmydont
join:2000-08-10
Framingham, MA

jimmydont

Member

They could have me in an instant

except its been 5 months now that they've been installing on my street. About a week for the underground conduit that was being seeded over in the first week of June. In the 3rd week of October they spent 1 day installing fiber. then they came back for one day each of the last 2 weeks. The street's only about .75 mi long. Maybe they'll finish the last quarter mile by xmas.