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God Is Good.
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Heber Springs, AR
| It's easy to grow fast when starting from nothing The bright side is perhaps when those in these favored areas all have fiber maybe the rest of us can get on the list for 384 DSL.
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YAYwegotit
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| Re: It's easy to grow fast when starting from nothing I'm a FIOS customer and its some great broadband...
This is the next best thing in technology since cheap CD/DVD writers/media, mp3 players, dialup modems, etc, etc, etc. Next innovation must be hybrid cars/trucks. Noone likes wasting gas when a battery could provide lots of the power generated by hi-capacity dynos when the car runs on gas(1-30, vs 30+). Just like FIOS is the cablemodem equalizer, hybrid cars will bring back USA's innovation, if only car/truck mauf's have the guts to invest like Verizon has...
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LinuxJunkie
join:2005-01-19
Cyberspace
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hybrid cars will bring back USA's innovation
How do you figure? From what I know, only Japanese manufacturers have been producing hybrids. I can't think of a single "American" (which is a joke anyway, considering the parts are all made overseas and simply assembled here) manufacturer that has a hybrid model. Somebody post a link to one if one exists. | |
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razzorr
join:2002-01-31
Fort Smith, AR | Re: It's easy to grow fast when starting from noth Ford. They have an Escape Hybrid that you can buy now. | |
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Verizon2005
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| Yes! Verizon will probably be at the top of the list with FTTH deployments, next will be municipal deployments, co-ops, next cable companies (LAST PLACE)
Probably verizon is probably laying a few hundred line-miles of fiber cable per day network-wide. By next year, fiber cable should be cheap enough for the other rbocs to try limited deployments or full-scale deployments...
If robust battery backup solutions support the fiber, it can finally retire copper based solutions. Lithium Ion can support ultra-long backup times now | |
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seaman
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Seattle, WA | So why is it good For those of who see the term FIOS all over the place... what are some of the advantages of Fiber to the Home over existing technologies? | |
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cdru
Go Colts
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
| Re: So why is it good In no particular order:
-Potential for obcene speeds if the telcos wanted to in the future.
-Expansion into the "CATV" market - competition is always good
-Faster immediate speeds then are available to most via DSL
-No more "your loop length is too long" excuses
-Cheaper for the telco to operate in the long run(excluding initial roll-out costs)
-Allows telcos to eventually phase out expensive, aging analog POTS equipment.
-In some cases will replace decades old infrastructure that badly needed replaced anyways
-Potential phone line quality improvement
The advantages do come at a cost though. The disadvantages are:
-Cuts the competition out of the picture as the ILEC doesn't have to share the line with CLECs (telco advantage)
-Power requirement for the ONT - BBU/UPS don't last forever when running off of the battery. | |
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Anti_Cyrix
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join:2003-03-06
Sacramento, CA
| Re: So why is it good said by cdru  :Power requirement for the ONT - BBU/UPS don't last forever when running off of the battery. Here is a detailed picture of that battery. Does the red LED mean that the battery is bad? Or something is screwed up? | |
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cdru
Go Colts
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
| Re: So why is it good said by Anti_Cyrix :said by cdru :Power requirement for the ONT - BBU/UPS don't last forever when running off of the battery. Here is a detailed picture of that battery. Does the red LED mean that the battery is bad? Or something is screwed up? According to the user manual, it means the battery is not connected or it has a fault. Check and make sure it's plugged incorrectly. | |
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seaman
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Seattle, WA
| said by Anti_Cyrix :Does the red LED mean that the battery is bad? Or something is screwed up? Most likely a ground fault warning (or the battery is dead). You can test the battery by yanking the power cord out and seeing if your system goes down. I am not an electrician but I would take a ground fault warning seriously and get it fixed. | |
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DaSneaky1D
one wall to block them all
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join:2001-03-29
The Lou
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| said by seaman :For those of who see the term FIOS all over the place... what are some of the advantages of Fiber to the Home over existing technologies? The biggest advantage, as combined from above, is that a company becomes your "SP", not just an ISP. Compeition won't be down to the component level as it is now.
Bundled deals and IP centric network services (video, telephony, Internet) are only possible with the proper conduit. By Verizon deploying fiber, they are putting themselves in a position to realistically do this...Not attempting half baked BellSouth and SBC deployments of fiber to the node, then twisted pair to the home.
Cable is already there by having at least coax to the home. It allows for much greater bandwidth than twisted pair wiring. And cable is already offering these services.
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seaman
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Seattle, WA
| Thanks cdru and DaSneaky1D for sharing this information. I learned from it. Seems like fiber deployment will usher in a lot of cool services. However, I am concerned about a market where there is little or no competition. The introduction of fiber to the home and the market advantage that comes with it looks like a cable monopoly redux. Nice to have it but at what cost? | |
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DaSneaky1D
one wall to block them all
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The Lou | Re: So why is it good That's exactly what it is. Everything is becoming a "duopoly", you get all your services from the Telco or from the Cableco.
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Bill
Light Up The Halo
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join:2001-12-09
clubs:
| Well... That's interesting.
quote:
CA Leisure World-Seal Beach Development DEV/CLEC
»www.lwsb.com
I didn't know they had it; I live less than a mile from there.
But, why does a retirement community need it? I don't know. I say they bring it to me first 
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Phil
Rojo Sol
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join:2001-06-11
Camarillo, CA | Re: Well... My city, Thousand Oaks isn't listed, but when I called Verizon about FiOS they told my city was ready to go. Hardly a complete list.
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join:2003-10-04
Antioch, TN
| Re: Well... i live so close to La Vergne, Tn i could spit and reach to town limits but have not heard a single peep about fiber in the area, La vergne is not a big area either, maybe about 10k people absolute tops, and the only DSL available is a paltry 1.5/512 if you are lucky for $50 a month which is a joke compared to CHSI 6.6/768 for around the same price
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Antioch, TN | Re: Well... this list is of any carrier that is starting to roll out fiber yes???
as verizon is not even in middle tennessee that i could find anyways.
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sman83
join:2004-11-09
Urbana, IL | Fiber List On that list in Illinois is a town named Paxton population about 2k tops and they have fiber? I live about 45 min away from Paxton in a town with 100k+ people and no fiber =( Who decides where fiber goes? | |
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Murray3
join:2001-03-06
Texas | Re: Fiber List said by sman83 : Who decides where fiber goes? Probably the telcos. | |
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snappakazoo
Inconceivable
join:2000-09-10
Wyckoff, NJ | What happened to New Jersey? Apparently NJ is not part of the USA anymore as it is not listed at all.
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vpoko
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Jamaica Plain, MA | Re: What happened to New Jersey? About time someone did something about NJ | |
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clickwir
join:2001-06-21
Dickson City, PA | It's only showing 43 states.
That and I doubt it's more than 95% accurate. | |
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the niTz
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join:2004-07-05
Sahuarita, AZ | mmmmm i want my fiber  | |
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ahsan
join:2002-10-01
Sterling, VA | What is an RBOC? They gave a definition for every other acronym except the one I didn't know. | |
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qos1
join:2003-09-19
Beverly Hills, CA
| Re: What is an RBOC? said by ahsan :They gave a definition for every other acronym except the one I didn't know. Regional Bell Operating Company | |
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Sterling, VA | Re: What is an RBOC? Thanks! How are these different from ILECs? | |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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| Re: What is an RBOC? said by ahsan :Thanks! How are these different from ILECs? »www.dynamiccity.com/resources/gl···y.html#i
Incumbent local exchange carrier (ILEC)
An ILEC is the same as a LEC or RBOC.
Regional Bell Operating Company (RBOC)
An RBOC is one of seven companies formed from AT&T's 22 local telephone companies during the breakup of the Bell System. The terms RBOC, LEC, and ILEC are equivalent. | |
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KoolMoe
Aw Man
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join:2001-02-14
Annapolis, MD
clubs: | Same thing.
RBOC = ILEC
in most all cases, anyway. I dunno of a place where the incumbent phone company isn't the regional bell, but I suppose that could exist somewhere still...
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bokamba
Chengdu Rocks
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join:2002-04-05
Falls Church, VA | "Entire community"? Not quite. My town is listed and the list claims that the "entire community" is served, but it definitely isn't. | |
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Heterman
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Fayetteville, AR | Lavaca, Ar I couldn't beleive this when I saw it. Lavaca, Arkansas has fiber. And the only place in the state according to the list. They don't even have 2000 people in that town. I guess this is a "test" site for SBC. | |
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N10Cities
SILENCE I Keel You
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join:2002-05-07
Roland, OK
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3 edits | Re: Lavaca, Ar said by Heterman :I couldn't beleive this when I saw it. Lavaca, Arkansas has fiber. And the only place in the state according to the list. They don't even have 2000 people in that town. I guess this is a "test" site for SBC. I doubt SBC is rolling it out. Phone service in town is provided by Pinnacle Communications ( »www.pinncom.com ) , which is a locally owned and operated phone company. I had heard rumors about fiber being rolled out, but haven't seen trucks or digging lately unless they are hanging it on poles. A lady I know had talked to a tech about DSL and he confirmed what you said. Recently, Sallisaw, OK started offering fiber service ( »Sallisaw, OK Goes Fiber ) and they are about 30 miles from here. Little towns are beating the big dogs to the punch around here! Fort Smith, AR is 11 miles away with a population of over 70,000 and no sniff of fiber anywhere (SBC is main telco). | |
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Heterman
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Fayetteville, AR | Re: Lavaca, Ar Well then, who is rolling out fiber there? Do you have it? I doubt if Pinnacle is, but they may be... | |
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ViviTheMage
vivi
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join:2002-10-28
Minneapolis, MN
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| minnesota wow, there are actually a decent amount of minnesota places that have it, i hope they slide up to eden prairie soon.
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Cyber2lz
join:2001-11-15
Odessa, FL | I don't think so FL Keystone Entire community RBOC
Been Plumbed, pulled, tested and distribution paneled since Oct. 04.
No Fios yet !!! CO is not ready.
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Anti_Cyrix
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join:2003-03-06
Sacramento, CA
| Yes, fiber is a good thing... I don't have Verizon FIOS, but have FTTH from Surewest.
...10/10mbit, which I think is better than 15/2 or the like cuz of upload speed.
First hop ping is less than 1ms.
Lets see cable or DSL pull that off | |
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Fluker
join:2005-04-07
West Lafayette, IN | Fiber: It's Good For You HAHAHAHA
I get it!
It's a play on words!
Sorry folks I'm too tired to be serious.
And fiber (optic!) is a seriously cool thing. I can't wait
Remember when you got 3000/256 and that blew you away? | |
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Chiyo
Save Me Konata-Chan
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join:2003-02-20
Minneapolis, MN
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| Re: Fiber: It's Good For You heh in MN here all the small towns have Fibert but god for bid if they did any fiber in a comcast / time warner / charter cable area (twin cities) the #%@$ would hit the fan! iif it was so big what arn't big cities included in this revolution?
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plk
bo may sleep in loft
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join:2002-04-20
Ogden, IA
| Here is Oskaloosa Iowa's service They offer 1mbps up and down for 25.00. They offer faster speeds also, but you have to call them.
I would imagine since Mediacom and Qwest have raised their speeds, MCG will roll out larger packages.
»www.mahaska.org/index.php
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None in NJ; why am I not surprised
Re: What is an RBOC?
[sighs] Nothing in my area or even nearby...