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NY Attorney General's words are but wind...
09:19AM Monday Jul 14 2008 by Karl Bode
tags: legal · business · content
Last week NY Attorney General Andrew Cuomo made a big deal out of the fact that he'd managed to get AOL to stop offering access to child porn newsgroups. The only thing was, AOL stopped offering newsgroup access three years ago to cut costs, so nothing has actually changed and even AOL admits they're not doing a single thing differently.

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Remember, this all began last month when the AG's office conducted a "sting" against Time Warner Cable, Sprint and Verizon -- and found that one could find some fairly disgusting things via newsgroups. Despite the fact that I'd heard weeks earlier that Time Warner Cable was considering dumping newsgroups for financial reasons, that decision was also wrapped into the broader NY AG's announcement as part of his plan.

So several ISPs cut newsgroups access, but most of them either already had or were planning to as cost savings moves. The other half of the agreement involves quickly taking offending child porn material off of their servers when alerted, something they were also already doing. So what did the NY AG's office actually accomplish (other than get a politician's name in lights)?

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pnh102
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Cuomo's Running For Governor

Yet another AG (aspiring governor) from the great state of New York.

mrchris
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Re: Cuomo's Running For Governor

Just like Mario, eh?

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Re: Cuomo's Running For Governor

said by mrchris See Profile :

Just like Mario, eh?
I cannot deal with yet another Cuomo administration!
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Re: Cuomo's Running For Governor

said by n2jtx See Profile :

said by mrchris See Profile :

Just like Mario, eh?
I cannot deal with yet another Cuomo administration!
Neither can I!
His father was the perfect politician, possessing the ability to talk out both sides of his face!

Whatever was politically expedient, he supported, god forbid he actually listened to his constituents!
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Re: Cuomo's Running For Governor

I was still in high school or even middle school when Mario Cuomo was in office, what sort of crap was pulled by him?

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Re: Cuomo's Running For Governor

said by mrchris See Profile :

I was still in high school or even middle school when Mario Cuomo was in office, what sort of crap was pulled by him?
Well, even though he professed to be a "good" catholic, he stated that he could not do anything to ban abortions in NY because the voters supported allowing abortions in this state, yet he REFUSED to sign a death penalty bill in NY, even though the vast majority of the voters wanted it, due to religious reasons...
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Re: Cuomo's Running For Governor

said by jwersan See Profile :

said by mrchris See Profile :

I was still in high school or even middle school when Mario Cuomo was in office, what sort of crap was pulled by him?
Well, even though he professed to be a "good" catholic, he stated that he could not do anything to ban abortions in NY because the voters supported allowing abortions in this state, yet he REFUSED to sign a death penalty bill in NY, even though the vast majority of the voters wanted it, due to religious reasons...
Isn't that the total opposite over what most religious right politicians do? I thought that most were against abortion while they are for the death penalty. Still, an eyeroll either way would be appropriate.

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Re: Cuomo's Running For Governor

Catholics are not generally part of the evangelical far-right (although there have been Catholic movements on both the far-right and the radical left...But Catholics are like Jews in that they are intelligent enough to reject that hum-drum about the world being a 6,000 year-old tabernacle enclosed by a dome) and the death penalty is opposed by the Roman Catholic Church.

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Re: Cuomo's Running For Governor

said by yyz555 :

and the death penalty is opposed by the Roman Catholic Church.
Killing of humans is opposed by the Church in Rome.

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What is Child Porn

»perezhilton.com/2008-07-12-miley···st-naked

ok according to most laws this would be considered child pron

same with the pictures of her in that mag.

any poses of lude sexual positions by underage girls is considered CP.

hell one guy in florida got 3 years for having a web site of girls in bathing suits and underwear...not nude...but lude poses

so where does the line end? jcpenny mags?
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Re: What is Child Porn

1. Miley Cyrus photos aren't child porn, might be offensive to some, but not child porn.

2. A web site of girls (I'm assuming 12 or younger) in bathing suits and underwear isn't child porn, however it's not a website I would look at 24/7, not my cup of pee.

3. Jcpenny mags, I'm assuming the ads with little girls in their bathing suits or panties, not child porn, just advertisment, not my cup of pee either, in fact the only thing I notice is the Best Buy or Circuit City ads.

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You might want to cite sources for those allegations.

Child porn involves children under the age of 18 engaging in sexual acts or posing nude in sexually provocative poses/positions.

The picture of child nude is NOT child pornography.

The picture of child in a bathing suit or lingerie is NOT child pornography. they must be engaged in a sexual act or suggestive of a sex act.

Sure its an ugly fine line and i find it repugnant that many get close but never cross and can get away with it but its the law and for what its worth it does work.

There are MANY legal sites that have children under the age of 18 in lingerie and swim suits that are highly suggestive BUT not nude and NOT posing in sexual positions.

I don't see these AG's going after them...why? cause they are perfectly legal. offensive to many, but perfectly legal.

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Re: What is Child Porn

If it's not kiddy porn it's terrorism.

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Re: What is Child Porn

said by ARGONAUT See Profile :

If it's not kiddy porn it's terrorism.
From all the garbage being used to justify eroding any privacy we may have had left, I was under the impression one was pretty much the same as the other.
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A 17 year old babe is child porn? Give me a break.
Madtown

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Is it just my imagination ???

Is it just my imagination or does his face look like he's guilty of looking at child porn??? He looks too guilty in this photo, »/r0/download/1···omo2.jpg
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good cover for the ISPs

for those not paying attention, the ISPs say

"the AG made us do it!"

which deflects customers cries of "why did you cut newsgroups, you money grubbing, cheap ISP?"

the AG gets to posture and preen in his fight against child porn (TM) and the ISPs get hossanahs and attaboys for something they were going to do (or have done) anyway, that probably was going to piss off customers.

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AT&T buckles by removing ALL alt.binar* groups

»my.att.net/newsgroup/s/s.dll?spa···ly=y&ck=

...and my usenet experience is ever so much better now. Thank you AT&T.
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Fighting child porn, or is it appeasing the MAFIAA?

Seems it is more the latter when all the alt.binary
newsgroups are cut by AOL, AT&T and others. That is
when you consider that a lot of what is on those groups
is copyright infringing content.

And as someone noted in the AT&T Southeast topic on this,
there are a lot of groups outside the alt.binaries
hierarchy that carry child porn. And any binary group
can get hit by it what with Russian spam gangs using it
as a come on to get people to install their malware.

Of course if they were honest about it (too much cost to
maintain multiple GB worth of content a day on their
servers), there might be fewer complaints.
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Re: Fighting child porn, or is it appeasing the MAFIAA?

Call me stupid but I'm still trying to determine what piracy has to do with child porn.
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Re: Fighting child porn, or is it appeasing the MAFIAA?

It is about deflecting attention in a manner which makes the corporations look like angels (doing it for the children) instead of devils (caving to MPAA/RIAA pressure, or just the bean counter's concerns with; or both).
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Another reason (like you need more) I would never live in NYS again
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The sad thing is...

Thousands of voters will actually believe that Cuomo did something to eliminate kiddy porn from the internet.

I use newsgroups for access to Microsoft and Adobe users groups. Instead of getting it from Verizon I now have to subscribe to a private provider because VZ removed all groups except some stupid junk ones. It cost me $10 for 30gigs, so it's no big deal.

I am sure that anyone seriously into illegal kiddy porn did not use Verizon or ATT newsgroups anyway. They subscribed to a third party because it is pretty well anonymous.

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Re: The sad thing is...

said by bgraham See Profile :

I use newsgroups for access to Microsoft and Adobe users groups. Instead of getting it from Verizon I now have to subscribe to a private provider
As I understand it, you can get those groups for free direct from the respective sources; they have news servers at:

msnews.microsoft.com
adobeforums.com (also forums.macromedia.com)

because VZ removed all groups except some stupid junk ones.
While I understand and share your resentment, this was a silly thing to say. The Big 8 groups are the core of Usenet.
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Much a do about nothing

Both Karl and Cuomo forgot the most effective tool, the FBI and Scotland Yard's aggressive prosecution via sting operations. Mot of the notorious alt. group have been abandoned and sites been shut down for years. This is nothing more than political pandering.

It seem New York AG office have a long history of abuse of power just for the sake of advancing one political career. Does Eliot Spitzer ring a bell?

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Re: Much a do about nothing

What else would you expect from AOHell,the do nothng bottom line ISP,I nominate them for the ESPY's of ISP's, anyone 2nd that nomination?.............
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July 14th, @02:46PM

said by Richard B See Profile :

Both Karl and Cuomo forgot the most effective tool, the FBI and Scotland Yard's aggressive prosecution via sting operations. Mot of the notorious alt. group have been abandoned and sites been shut down for years. This is nothing more than political pandering.

It seem New York AG office have a long history of abuse of power just for the sake of advancing one political career. Does Eliot Spitzer ring a bell?
Your posting style, prose, and apparent knowledge of where to find kiddie porn seem familiar.

Have we met before?

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July 14th, @03:28PM

Re: Much a do about nothing

Less know of or work for child advocacy or media watch dog groups, perhaps some vigilantism as getting some boards shut down by anonymously contact the ISP host. I have to say no. plus a lot of stories of FBI sting operation like Innocent Images are in the news I.E. public domain.
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Re: Much a do about nothing

said by Richard B See Profile :

Less know of or work for child advocacy or media watch dog groups, perhaps some vigilantism as getting some boards shut down by anonymously contact the ISP host. I have to say no. plus a lot of stories of FBI sting operation like Innocent Images are in the news I.E. public domain.
OMFG, it is you. You've moved your trailer to Oregon?

What's Taylor and the old crowd been up to lately?

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July 14th, @07:16PM

Re: Much a do about nothing

Wrong person I do not own a trailer
The media story had to do with how the TV news Media uses pictures instead of facts. Today’s news is no longer facts but using pictures to validate opinion. For example, on a news story drinking they show a guy in the station studio pouring drinks. The child porn story the camera was scrolling though sites to say how bad Child porn on the internet was. The problem is the sites are ether just spam or click farms. I dare say if a person tries to put up a child porn site, the person going to be busted, just look at all the bust recently of online child porn rings. It says to me the current law enforcement techniques are enough.
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said by Richard B See Profile :

Does Eliot Spitzer ring a bell?
Probably only when he canvasses neighborhoods for votes.
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but or...

did you mean "butt wind" ?

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ISPs Shadowing Cause of Saving More, Giving Less

To censor groups that have nothing to do with the case is a sign that ISPs are taking advantage of this situation in order to reduce costs involved with Usenet. Funny how no statement from any of these ISPs state any type of fee reduction as services that were normally included are no longer offered.
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