Films Now Hit iTunes Same Day As DVD ReleaseApple drops news on new multi-studio agreement... 10:16AM Thursday May 01 2008 by Karl Bodetags: business · contentApple this morning dropped the news that customers will now be able to purchase films from iTunes the same day they hit DVD shelves, eliminating the typical 30-45 day delay between DVD launch and digital availability. It appears that a lot of major studios are on board as well, including 20th Century Fox, The Walt Disney Studios, Warner Brothers, Paramount Pictures, Universal, Sony, Lionsgate, Image Entertainment and First Look Studios. MGM apparently didn't want to play. The pricing, from Apple's announcement: Movies purchased from iTunes can be viewed on an iPod® with video, iPhone™, Mac® or PC or on a widescreen TV with Apple TV®, with new releases priced at $14.99 and most catalog titles at $9.99. Comcast announced last February that they were offering some VOD films to rent the same day they hit store shelves. The NY Times yesterday noted that Warner Brothers is eager to expand such offerings both online and via VOD systems.
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cbrigante2
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North Aurora, IL | Rentals? I wonder if this includes rentals as well? | |
| EPS
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Hingham, MA | No MGM? Interesting, given that MGM is owned in part by Sony (and in part by Comcast too), and Sony is involved. | |
| George Kidd
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Vancouver, BC | Groan Hmmm... This should move up the impending collapse of the Internet a year or so. Wonder if iTunes will be the next item on the traffic management shaping list?  | |
|  | openbox9
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| Re: Groan said by George Kidd  :Wonder if iTunes will be the next item on the traffic management shaping list? Not likely unless the cablecos actually want to attack the net neutrality issue. Right now, it's easy to pick on P2P and other connection/bandwidth hogging protocols/apps. However, if ISPs begin singling out specific "competitors'" traffic and services, there will be legitimate net neutrality concerns. | |
| karlmarx
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| Why so much money? I mean I can't see 'paying' $14.99 for a movie I don't even own? That's right, DRM means YOU DON'T OWN IT, you 'rent' it at their discretion. I mean, you can get the exact same movie at the store for probably $15.99. Does the low quality, low bitrate, restricted version really mean it's worth $14.99. Why in the world would anyone pay that kind of money, when they can get a MUCH HIGHER quality DVD rip from their local torrent site BEFORE the movie even gets to the store? Granted, 25% of the US is retarded, which is how republicans get votes, but no one in their right mind should ever PAY for something you don't even own. At least if you buy the DVD, you can do with it what you want. Rip it, Copy it, Back it up, Share it.
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cbrigante2
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| Re: Why so much money? said by karlmarx :I mean I can't see 'paying' $14.99 for a movie I don't even own? That's right, DRM means YOU DON'T OWN IT, you 'rent' it at their discretion. I mean, you can get the exact same movie at the store for probably $15.99. Does the low quality, low bitrate, restricted version really mean it's worth $14.99. Why in the world would anyone pay that kind of money, when they can get a MUCH HIGHER quality DVD rip from their local torrent site BEFORE the movie even gets to the store? Granted, 25% of the US is retarded, which is how republicans get votes, but no one in their right mind should ever PAY for something you don't even own. At least if you buy the DVD, you can do with it what you want. Rip it, Copy it, Back it up, Share it. I think if you get into the letter of the law, you would be surprised what you are legally entitled to do with DVDs that you own as well. I'm not saying I agree with it, just that DRM is everywhere there is content. | |
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| Re: Why so much money? Actually ownership of said DVD gives you the right to:
Make legal backups (not to be shared)
View privately within the confines of your home
Watch said DVD on multiple mediums
etc
DRM =
Can't make legal backup
Often limited to number of devices one can play it on
Cannot make hard copy of said movie
Don't get movie inserts, booklets, and extras
Hummm which would you rather pick? | |
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join:2003-04-14 | Re: Why so much money? But isn't it technically illegal to break the encryption on a standard DVD? | |
| | | | openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Navarre, FL
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| said by jc100 :Actually ownership of said DVD gives you the right to: Make legal backups (not to be shared) View privately within the confines of your home Watch said DVD on multiple mediums etc You have the same capabilities with iTunes stuff, so your "ownership" concern is minimalized.said by jc100 :Hummm which would you rather pick? Probably the same one that I do...the physical media. Personally, I don't understand the draw to iTunes for movies given the lack of cost advantage. | |
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punker
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| said by jc100 :Actually ownership of said DVD gives you the right to: Make legal backups (not to be shared) View privately within the confines of your home Watch said DVD on multiple mediums etc DRM = Can't make legal backup Often limited to number of devices one can play it on Cannot make hard copy of said movie Don't get movie inserts, booklets, and extras Hummm which would you rather pick? but with an rental i can copy it then play it back anytime i wantall for only 3.50
or for 5.50 for an HD rental | |
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join:2002-04-10 | Re: Why so much money? Yep/ Thats what I was implying. I'd rather own a hard copy for nearly the same price than a protected version with half the benefits. (DRM, MEDIA LIMITATIONS, NO BOOKLETS, CASE, ETC) | |
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MattE
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| said by cbrigante2 :said by karlmarx :I mean I can't see 'paying' $14.99 for a movie I don't even own? That's right, DRM means YOU DON'T OWN IT, you 'rent' it at their discretion. I mean, you can get the exact same movie at the store for probably $15.99. Does the low quality, low bitrate, restricted version really mean it's worth $14.99. Why in the world would anyone pay that kind of money, when they can get a MUCH HIGHER quality DVD rip from their local torrent site BEFORE the movie even gets to the store? Granted, 25% of the US is retarded, which is how republicans get votes, but no one in their right mind should ever PAY for something you don't even own. At least if you buy the DVD, you can do with it what you want. Rip it, Copy it, Back it up, Share it. I think if you get into the letter of the law, you would be surprised what you are legally entitled to do with DVDs that you own as well. I'm not saying I agree with it, just that DRM is everywhere there is content. Not to mention a DVD is also encrypted with CSS. | |
| | openbox9
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| said by karlmarx :Why in the world would anyone pay that kind of money, when they can get a MUCH HIGHER quality DVD rip from their local torrent site BEFORE the movie even gets to the store? Because a lot of people don't really care about quality and they've consumed too much iTunes Kool-Aid.said by karlmarx :but no one in their right mind should ever PAY for something you don't even own. You "own" this movie just as much regarldess of whether you purchase/download via iTunes or a DVD from your local Wal-Mart. | |
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| Re: Why so much money? said by openbox9 :You "own" this movie just as much regarldess of whether you purchase/download via iTunes or a DVD from your local Wal-Mart. I think what he means by "own" is physical possession of the media. If I buy a movie at Wal-Mart I can sell it on eBay or a garage sale if I want to in a couple of weeks. By downloading the movie through iTunes, you can't do this. I can also take the movie purchased at Wal-Mart and play it on my portable DVD player, the DVD player in my van, etc. $5 bucks is much more reasonable for these "rentals" because that is exactly what they are.
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| Re: Why so much money? said by CapinPete :said by openbox9 :You "own" this movie just as much regarldess of whether you purchase/download via iTunes or a DVD from your local Wal-Mart. I think what he means by "own" is physical possession of the media. If I buy a movie at Wal-Mart I can sell it on eBay or a garage sale if I want to in a couple of weeks. By downloading the movie through iTunes, you can't do this. I can also take the movie purchased at Wal-Mart and play it on my portable DVD player, the DVD player in my van, etc. $5 bucks is much more reasonable for these "rentals" because that is exactly what they are. iTunes allows you to authorize up to 5 devices that can play media downloaded through a specific account. So you can watch it in your car if you want to pay to hook a computer or AppleTV up in your car. | |
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Independence, OH
| Re: Why so much money? If it means they will store my movie for me forever and I can access it at any time as long as I have an internet connection and an "authorized" computer I don't see much harm in this for the price they want.
However if they want my money they will have to come out with HD Movies for download, then I will look closer. | |
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| Re: Why so much money? said by roadsrunning :If it means they will store my movie for me forever and I can access it at any time as long as I have an internet connection and an "authorized" computer I don't see much harm in this for the price they want. However if they want my money they will have to come out with HD Movies for download, then I will look closer. Just like Wal-Mart doesn't provide you with a shelf to store your DVD's, neither does iTunes. It's your responsibility to maintain a copy of the movie you download.
I don't buy movies from iTunes because I can't stream it to my 360 and I don't think they offer HD. | |
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| said by roadsrunning :If it means they will store my movie for me forever and I can access it at any time as long as I have an internet connection and an "authorized" computer I don't see much harm in this for the price they want. It's your responsibility to conduct your own backup...just like if you "backup" your purchased DVDs.said by roadsrunning :However if they want my money they will have to come out with HD Movies for download, then I will look closer. Not available yet, but most likely be available at some point in time. | |
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Independence, OH | Re: Why so much money? So how do you backup your copy if it has "copy protection" on it?
Seems to me that something doesn't feel right about this. | |
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join:2005-09-04
Independence, OH | Re: Why so much money? Bah, you first need a dvd writer, then a dvd-rw holds about 4.5 gigs of data. So if you have a 50 gig collection then you need 11 discs. What a PITA.
Guess it rules out Apple. Makes VUDU look better and better everyday. | |
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join:2004-01-26
Navarre, FL | Re: Why so much money? The original debate was between the benefits of "owning" an Apple iTunes movie and "owning" a physical DVD. Either way you need a DVD writer and blank media to facilitate a backup mechanism. What am I missing? | |
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a333
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Corona, NY
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| Re: Why so much money? er..... you backup a DVD ONTO your EXISTING hard drive, so unless your hard drive is pitifully small, you get much better value for your money than iTunes DL:
Itunes: $15/download + a couple of hours download + extra DVD required to backup the download and hours of frustration trying to get past the DRM
DVD: About $16 + Copies onto existing HD + encryption (if any) easily bypassed (just use AnyDVD or something like that)
Decisions, decisions........... | |
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| Re: Why so much money? said by a333 :er..... you backup a DVD ONTO your EXISTING hard drive Ok, so backup your iTunes library onto your existing hard drive, or even a second hard drive if you're that paranoid and/or don't want to use CD/DVD media.said by a333 :Itunes: $15/download + a couple of hours download + extra DVD required to backup the download and hours of frustration trying to get past the DRM You don't need to get past the DRM...unless of course you're trying to get outside of iTunes. Which if that's the case, don't purchase from the iTunes Store  | |
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Suffern, NY
| said by karlmarx :I mean I can't see 'paying' $14.99 for a movie I don't even own? That's right, DRM means YOU DON'T OWN IT, you 'rent' it at their discretion. I mean, you can get the exact same movie at the store for probably $15.99. Does the low quality, low bitrate, restricted version really mean it's worth $14.99. Why in the world would anyone pay that kind of money, when they can get a MUCH HIGHER quality DVD rip from their local torrent site BEFORE the movie even gets to the store? Granted, 25% of the US is retarded, which is how republicans get votes, but no one in their right mind should ever PAY for something you don't even own. At least if you buy the DVD, you can do with it what you want. Rip it, Copy it, Back it up, Share it. That extra $1 also gets you all the DVD extras such as being able to jump to a section of the movie (via the Scenes Menu), Making Of extras, Commentary about the movie, etc. | |
| beaups
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Hilliard, OH | backup right....you backup an itunes movie a similar way you'd backup a dvd movie...both formats involve "circumventing" encryption...therefore backing up either format would be technically illegal | |
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a333
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Corona, NY | backing up a regular vanilla DVD, even with encryption, is LEGAL. It's your legal right as owner of the disc to copy the movie (not share it). It's a part of the law the **AA's have been trying to circumvent for years..... | |
| | | openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Navarre, FL | Re: backup Sure, but what about breaking that encryption to facilitate copying your DVD? | |
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KrK
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Tulsa, OK | Why am I underwhelmed at the price? Let's see... buy the whole DVD... around $15.... $20.... or buy the digital DRM copy for $15.00
Hmmm.
Oh, and if you re-download the movie, do you have to pay again? | |
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