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North Korea | That's so cool! That's so cool! They should do pop-ups now to get even more users! | |
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North Korea | Re: That's so cool! said by ropeguru:And the TROLLS are out!!! What  ?
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Mechanicsville, VA | Re: That's so cool! Should I post the list that is about twenty times longer on the issues with IE?? But I guess to you that isn't crapware!! | |
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Missouri City, TX | Re: That's so cool! Granted IE has security issues, only because it's still the most popular browsers out there.
but i have never seen anyting buggier than FF.
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only because it's still the most popular browsers out there
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North Korea | Re: That's so cool! said by OreoleO:Should I just remind you that this software is still in beta and IE is in version 6.0, yea big difference. Oh yeah thats why zealots should push it harder, beta or no beta. 
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Vancouver, WA | "but i have never seen anyting buggier than FF."
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join:2002-10-27 | Re: That's so cool! said by Seven1:Definitely a troll. Why don't you go searching and make a list for IE like that. Wonder how many pages long it would be? Could that be because its been out alot longer than that FF has been? IE has been out, used by a ton of people. if FF gets put throught paces like IE then of course the bugs list will be likes IE and proably surpass it..
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join:2002-10-27 | Re: That's so cool! every software has bugs in it, some have more then other. some you know about others you dont...
There is nothing to deny about FF and IE having bugs.. FF bugs are growing by the day..
IE Zealots? wtf is that? Some word you made up?
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Missouri City, TX | said by Chump: said by Seven1:Definitely a troll. Why don't you go searching and make a list for IE like that. Wonder how many pages long it would be? Could that be because its been out alot longer than that FF has been? IE has been out, used by a ton of people. if FF gets put throught paces like IE then of course the bugs list will be likes IE and proably surpass it.. it's been out..it's called Netscape.
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that browser got worse with each release despite being used by less and less people.
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said: "it's been out..it's called Netscape."
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they are both built on the same platform but are diff beasts all together. just saying for promo reasons its not a good idea to link the two | |
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2 edits | Re: That's so cool! Well, that was MY OPINION...
So I guess you are sick of yourself??
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Miami, FL | Firefox bug maybe? I've been using firefox for months already. The problem i've encountered is when i try to open online pdf files. Firefox would either just hang/crash or take a really long time to open the pdf file. While internet explorer would open them in seconds. And no, its not the internet connection, I can download 1MB in 2 seconds. I've tried going to the same sites using both IE and Firefox to open the pdf and IE actually opens them every time and very quickly. Any ideas on what is going on? | |
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Oh Yes; good show FireFox, and they do have an extension to control pop-ups look in the extension section. | |
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Alexandria, VA | said by Transmaster: Go Vote, do it now!!!!!Oh Yes; good show FireFox, and they do have an extension to control pop-ups look in the extension section. An extension to control pop-ups? My Firefox controls them without any extensions...
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Davenport, FL | one thing I miss though Firefox is indeed a pretty nice browser. However, there's one thing that I happen to miss from it that IE can do.
sound! I miss hearing that click when I click on a link in Firefox that IE does.
Call me nitpicky, but if anyone does know a way to have sounds play on events such as that in Firefox, I'd really appreciate it.
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Will company's begin sending out emails to employees (like when SP2 was released) saying not to download an alternative browser because it breaks sites?
What about the non-technical guy that downloads the browser and can't figure out why one or more sites aren't working that worked fine under IE? I wonder how this non-tech will feel about installing the IEView extension.
Instead of folks focusing on all the benefits they keep touting that Firefox has over IE, they need to focus on the things I can do in IE that FF doesn't allow as that is what will prevent it from succeeding. I don't think the non-technical average user will alter their behavior to fit the browser as the FF techies will do.
It has to give me everything I have and more to replace my current solution. If it doesn't provide that, it's not yet an option for me or the masses.
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I'm waiting for gbrowser google will soon rule the internet and FF and IE will be wondering what went wrong.
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Oh wait, that would mean that your favorite idol wasn't "king of the internet" any more. That's right.
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| Firefox is fine, but, not about to "take over" From what I've seen, Firefox is just fine. That is not enough to make it become a primary browser for most folks. Despite all the caterwauling, IE works fine for most users. For all the "scares" and horror stories, the vast majority of IE users, click in, go about their browsing/surfing activities, click out, and forget all about it...in fact, the majority of IE users do not even properly update or protect their systems, and still have no problems!
The percentage of users preferring Firefox or Mozilla to IE, is a pretty meaningless number anyway. If you really polled the entire PC base in the U.S., I would highly wager that there are not even 5.2 percent that know what Firefox is, let alone "prefer" it...
I have no argument with anyone who prefers an alternate browser to IE, but it is amusing to read these threads that would make it sound like any of these alternative browsers are anything but minor players.
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La Vergne, TN | Re: Firefox is fine, but, not about to "take over" said by PeteC2:For all the "scares" and horror stories, the vast majority of IE users, click in, go about their browsing/surfing activities, click out, and forget all about it...in fact, the majority of IE users do not even properly update or protect their systems, and still have no problems! Exactly! Firefox makes a regular appearance in conversations with my techy friends. But the non-techy folk:
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Waldwick, NJ | Re: Firefox is fine, but, not about to "take over" I agree and why I'm wondering what the logic is behind the NY Times ad. Either they are somehow assuming folks will know what it is and read the ad or it is trying to educate the non-techies. I just don't know how well it could go and I'd imagine they would be better off advertising to a more targeted audience such as those in PC World, PC Magazine, etc. Maybe even the magazines targeting specific groups like Maxim & Stuff readers.
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| | | | said by raydog1:Exactly! Firefox makes a regular appearance in conversations with my techy friends. But the non-techy folk: 2. Don't ever think about concepts like "Browser Security/Features" 3. Don't care because they're having no problems with IE Exactly, which is why nearly 30-40% of PC tech-support these days deal with malware that somehow infected someone's system.
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| FF is not the same as a brain transplant I hope this really takes off with the general public. I will be laughing my ass off when all of us have to start fixing computers with Firefox problems.
Everyone knows that the average user knows jack about securing their computer. Hell... they don't even bother to use the automatic updating features already built into many programs.
How can you say that FF is better when given to the average user? Do you think that these people are all of a sudden going to start updating? Do you think they are all of a sudden going to become security conscious? They will still be the same "ooh that looks cool, let's click it" people that they are now. The same "it doesn't work so I'm going to spend $50 to get JoeCompGeek to fix it for me" The same "How did I get a virus? My computer came with the Norton thing when I bought it 2 years ago" people... etc.
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Sherman Oaks, CA | Re: FF is not the same as a brain transplant I have to agree and add.....
When FF becomes as popular as IE than it will be targeted by the same spyware, Adware, Viruses Etc... which would cause Mozilla to add security features and what do you know....FF & IE are so much a like. Let's face it, FF has a lot to improve and add before the browser can be as Functional as IE... Lot's of things are still missing, while getting better it only seems like FF is just becoming a quick fix to IE and with every version out it looks and feels more like IE.
It's a nice browser that still has limitations & Bugs, when it takes it's share of the market it will be just as screwed up as IE. I use both FF & IE and know exactly what serves me better. As far as other people who think FF is the best browser out there.......Trolls come to mind. we will wait and see as Your DEAR FF becomes as Buggy & Crappy as IE. | |
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I hope this really takes off with the general public. I will be laughing my ass off when all of us have to start fixing computers with Firefox problems. Well, to be fair and impartial about that, unless they get a number of installer and profile-management and extension issues taken care of and "smoothed out" for the end-user, then there may indeed be a problem, although certainly no more of a problem than trying to dig out a "hidden" IE BHO or explorer shell-extension DLL out of the registry because it is causing a conflict.
At least the files necessary to interact with Mozilla/Firefox are mostly plain-text, and easily accessable/editable, if one knows where to look.
Also, errors with extensions may cause the browser not to load or operate, but they won't keep your OS's primary shell from loading/running, something that bad IE extensions can cause. Hooray for "integration". :|
said by HaHaHaHaHa:
Everyone knows that the average user knows jack about securing their computer. Hell... they don't even bother to use the automatic updating features already built into many programs.
How can you say that FF is better when given to the average user? Do you think that these people are all of a sudden going to start updating? Do you think they are all of a sudden going to become security conscious? No, of course not. Which is why: 1) out-of-the-box, FF is generally much more secure than IE, 2) it does include automatic-updating features, (Although I have a feeling that there will be some end-user trauma involved during the initial rollout/ramp-up of that feature.) 3) Most security-concious people were already running Moz or Firefox, thus anyone who has had it installed for them, obviously doesn't fall into that category, thus the answer was self-evident, and the question rhetorical.
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They will still be the same "ooh that looks cool, let's click it" people that they are now. The same "it doesn't work so I'm going to spend $50 to get JoeCompGeek to fix it for me" The same "How did I get a virus? My computer came with the Norton thing when I bought it 2 years ago" people... etc. I'm sure that's still going to be true. Firefox is not some miracle cure for end-user stupidity, since there really never can be such a thing. Make something "idiot-proof", and along comes a bigger idiot, etc.
But for end-users, and especially those not running XP SP2 (some may not be able to, because of costs or hardware requirements, and some people don't even run Windows'), Firefox is definately an improvement in security, given IE's track-record, and especially when combined with MS's refusal to support further IE security updates for pre-XP SP2 OSes.
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Giving the average person a graphic calculator with 120 buttons in place of their 20 button calc is not going to help them solve (265 x 17) any faster or better. More than likely it will just confuse them. Which is exactly why Firefox was created - to be a simplified, streamlined, faster/better "browsing experience", compared to the "bloated" jack-of-all-trades swiss-army-knife internet application suite of Mozilla.
Based on my personal experiences from using Mozilla for a very long period of time, and now having used Firefox for a significant amount of time likewise - I think that they have succeeded, very much so. But the developers have still slightly slipped into the thinking that the needs of end-users are the same as the needs of developers, and that obviously isn't so. There will be some roadbumps that need to be completely smoothed out, before a more fuller end-user adoption takes place. However, for end-users with even a minor modicum of clue, Firefox does offer a superior and safer overall browsing experience, I feel. | |
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