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Can you do Blu?
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bender
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| Re: Damn! said by GOLFnSUN  :said by bender :this firefox extension works awesome! That is, if you support being a thief. From what I can tell, the extension was being offered for free. | |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
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| Re: Damn! said by PolarBear :said by GOLFnSUN :said by bender :this firefox extension works awesome! That is, if you support being a thief. From what I can tell, the extension was being offered for free. Surely you are not that stupid. Getting content from the PIRATE Bay instead of Amazonor some other LEGITIMATE source is in fact thievery. | |
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Moncton, NB | Re: Damn! No it is not thievery... Right now in Canada I pay a tax on blank CDs that allows me to download mps LEGALLY. | |
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Hack The Planet
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join:2000-10-28 | I tried reading that link, but the person who wrote it just isn't very bright. A poorly written, unsubstantiated, meatless whine.
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Res Firma Mitescere Nescit
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| said by Karl Bode :That is, if you support tools aiding thievery. Not only thievery, but MURDER! Don't forget that it also aides and abets terra. Please, will someone think of the children! | |
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| said by Karl Bode :That is, if you support tools aiding thievery. Not only thievery, but MURDER! This must be said in the Quincy voice... | |
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| "Tipped by TK Junk Mail"
One could assume promoting it for news, would be advocating it. Most of wouldn't have heard about it if you did not tip the story to Karl.
said by GOLFnSUN :said by bender :this firefox extension works awesome! That is, if you support tools aiding thievery. And again, you support the masses with your tip to Karl. (It's alright to smack yourself in the forehead. No one here will see you do it.)
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| Re: Damn! said by Jovi :"Tipped by TK Junk Mail" One could assume promoting it for news, would be advocating it. Most of wouldn't have heard about it if you did not tip the story to Karl. said by GOLFnSUN :said by bender :this firefox extension works awesome! That is, if you support tools aiding thievery. And again, you support the masses with your tip to Karl. (It's alright to smack yourself in the forehead. No one here will see you do it.) QFT.
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| Re: Damn! said by GameGuy369 :QFT. I never heard of this thing until today. Thanks TK! Yes yes, thanks TK.
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Goinginsane
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| said by GOLFnSUN :said by bender :this firefox extension works awesome! That is, if you support tools aiding thievery. The only people who would use this are people who know to go to TPB anyway. So now it just saves them a step. Despicable? Definitely. But it won't affect a large number of people. | |
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said by Matt :The only people who would use this are people who know to go to TPB anyway. So now it just saves them a step. Despicable? But it won't affect a large number of people. | |
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| Re: Damn! said by jwwolf :yeah that sure isnt alot of people there... said by Matt :The only people who would use this are people who know to go to TPB anyway. So now it just saves them a step. Despicable? But it won't affect a large number of people. Those are already TPB users, so it's not like they were going to buy from Amazon anyway. | |
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maartena
Stacked.
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| said by GOLFnSUN :said by bender :this firefox extension works awesome! That is, if you support tools aiding thievery. Firefox does not control who writes extensions, and for what purpose.
And using your reasoning, an ISP that offers a usenet server is "aiding thievery" as well.... as a matter of fact one could argue that a ISP that is even allowing access to thepiratebay.org is "aiding thievery".
Accusing people that use Firefox that they "support tools aiding thievery" is pretty silly. :P | |
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| Re: Damn! said by maartena :said by GOLFnSUN :said by bender :this firefox extension works awesome! That is, if you support tools aiding thievery. Firefox does not control who writes extensions, and for what purpose. And using your reasoning, an ISP that offers a usenet server is "aiding thievery" as well.... as a matter of fact one could argue that a ISP that is even allowing access to thepiratebay.org is "aiding thievery". Accusing people that use Firefox that they "support tools aiding thievery" is pretty silly. :P He was referring to the Firefox extension, not Firefox itself. | |
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PolarBear
The bear formerly known as aaron8301
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join:2005-01-03 | Re: Damn! Ad-Block? YOU'RE ROBBING WEBSITE OWNERS OF THEIR REVENUE!
Now what's this little red octagon at the bottom of my browser for... | |
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| said by funchords :said by GOLFnSUN :said by bender :this firefox extension works awesome! That is, if you support tools aiding thievery. How do you feel about Ad-Block Plus? For ad-supported sites, it's also thievery.  | |
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| Re: Damn! said by mlerner :said by GOLFnSUN :said by bender :this firefox extension works awesome! That is, if you support tools aiding thievery. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. But a gun aids the person in killing another person. | |
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| Re: Damn! said by Matt :But a gun aids the person in killing another person. Anything can kill another person.. Should we make everything illegal? | |
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| Re: Damn! If you want to CLONE credit cards, then you need to be able to read/write all 3 tracks. The one you listed only does track 2. Here's a link to software and instructions on how to copy a debit card/credit card for real. Of course, the server who is stealing you card is just going to write down the number, and the CCV code, then lookup your address so they can order online. High level crooks will use the 3 track reader/writer to just copy the info. Ever wonder why registers make the cashier enter the last 4 digits? It's because it's VERY easy to clone a card. Unless you print up over 4000 different credit cards (note: There are only about 4000 valid 'last 4 digits', not the 10,000 you would think, the entry of the last 4 digits will stop them. Not to say they couldn't swipe the card themselves (aka 7-11 kind of thing), but if you go to any retail store, the cashier will need to enter the last 4 digits.
How do I know all this? Because it happened to me, when a crooked server at a restaurant 'cloned' my card. Luckily, I only use 1 card for food and gas, so as soon as I got my bill, I realized it had been cloned.
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join:2008-11-28
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| said by GOLFnSUN :said by bender :this firefox extension works awesome! That is, if you support tools aiding thievery. Not theft. Copyright infringement. Two completely different things that the uneducated keep getting wrong.
Theft does not equal copyright infringement and copyright infringement does not equal theft.
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maartena
Stacked.
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Orange, CA | Firefox extensions in general are awesome. It's one of the main reasons I keep using it.
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| I just don't like the high profile nature of this... it got on reddit and blasted to the front page. Other news sources are touting this as "the wave of the future for thieves" and such... I like downloading my shit under-cover.
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Hack The Planet
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Riverside, NJ
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| Re: Nice... I looked at the code. It isn't malicious, but it is overly complicated for what it actually does. It basically implements a very dumbed down version of Greasemonkey and then runs itself as a script in the page examining all web traffic on Amazon's site and replacing images with links to the Pirate Bay.
There's much simpler ways of doing what it does.
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4 edits |  My preachy rant and then some technical worries --
I tried it, it works (I guess). It links to the Torrent's page on The Pirate Bay.
So here's my take:
#1 - If it's being sold on Amazon, don't just take it for free. Support the art that you love. I'm interested in hearing the moral justification for taking titles like Wall-E (the title I tested, and yes, it found a Torrent for it). For me, if it's on Amazon.com and I want it, I'm likely to buy it. If it's not for sale new or used anywhere, but someone on P2P has it, then I can possibly see the justification. Different people will draw that line in different places, but there's just no good reason to take a first-run product that is for sale (and cheaply) and because you can. I generally support P2P and file-sharing, and I think copyright laws have expanded beyond sensibility, but I can't support taking full advantage of this plugin -- I hope people will do what's right.
#2 - It "phones home" very unnecessarily. The script piratesoftheamazon.js fetches its images from its home site, which basically lets it know (via HTTP's REFERER tag) what page you were on within Amazon when it fetched its image. This function was not hidden in any way, so the developers may not have evil intent, but users should be aware that when they visit a product's page on Amazon, they're also sharing that info with whoever owns www.pirates-of-the-amazon.com.
3. It also gives a special "Pirates-of-the-Amazon" hello in its User-Agent when it searches thepiratebay.org (which doesn't necessarily implicate TPB in this, it could be just a cute thing to do). So TPB knows what traffic is being generated by this plugin.
4. I didn't see anything else going on inside the code. While not directly evil, these things that I did find are things users ought to know. Technical worries aside, users ought to ask themselves what the right thing to do is -- how will they, personally, financially support the art that they value?
Found more:
Pirates of the Amazon | Artzilla.org
* To: infoo {AT} moddr.net
* Subject: [Nettime-nl] Pirates of the Amazon | Artzilla.org
* From: Walter Langelaar
* Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 17:10:56 +0100
* Organization: moddr_
* Reply-to: walter {AT} wormweb.nl
* User-agent: [WORM] RoundCube Webmail/0.1-rc2
har!
this just released ::
*Pirates of the Amazon Add-on*
"How can you compete with free? You cant!"
Lawrence Lessig
The Firefox add-on "Pirates of the Amazon" inserts a "download 4 free"
button on Amazon, which links to corresponding Piratebay BitTorrents. The
add-on lowers the technical barrier to enable anyone to choose between "add
to shopping cart" or "download 4 free". Are you a pirate?
To download/install the add-on, and for more information on the project,
please visit »pirates-of-the-amazon.com
This release is part of the upcoming Launch Party of "Artzilla.org", which
will take place at WORM in Rotterdam on the 13th of December.
During this event the audience will be able to browse the net using several
artistic browser modifications and Firefox add-ons, in Artzilla.org's first
Firefox add-on exhibition ►► participating artists include ::
Theo Watson
Aram Bartholl
Evan Roth
Dragan Espenschied
Timo Klok
Jamie Wilkinson
Danja Vasiliev
Tobias leingruber
Besides good tunes by surprise DJ's and live acts, the evening will also
host speed presentations by Theo Watson, Timo Klok, Danja Vasiliev and Evan
Roth - moderated by tobi-x and with special guests Florian Cramer
(/PietZwartInstituteMDMA/) and Hans Bernhard (/ubermorgen.com/) ...
For more info on this event, and for reservations, please visit
»agenda.wormweb.nl/agenda.php?id=2253
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Timo Klok is the person who registered pirates-of-the-amazon.com -- so I guess we do know who sees the HTTP-REFERER info after all.
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its something piratebay.org would be proud of. i bet they would even host it. | |
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| Re: My preachy rant and then some technical worries -- said by itsdownnow :
they took it down.
Which is really, really funny. Of all people, they should know that you can't really delete something like that once it's been on the Internet.
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sapo
The Internet is Down
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Sacramento, CA | Re: If you can't get on teh website Yeah right, hahah. I'm sure easily available public information will do much harm in a news post comment especially if the link to the site is in the news article already. | |
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| YAAAARRRRRR ME MATIES!!!!! the good ship The Pirate Bay is 'mirroring' the extension for all.
it was only a matter of time before this got onto The Pirate Bay, assuming this is the true extension and not a supposed virus. as with pretty much EVERYTHING else, once it gets on the piratebay, it is there for good. | |
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got ping?
join:2006-01-24
New Albany, IN | Good Idea Now that's what I call fair and balanced downloading. | |
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Beverly Hills, CA | Streisand effect Taking it offline will only make it more valuable. | |
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join:2000-10-28
| Kinda Stupid?
Am I the only one who thinks this is awfully gimmicky even if it works flawlessly?
I mean, I haven't used it, but isn't it nothing more than running searches through "TPB"?
That's an awfully trivial function. Cute little hack I guess. It gets the headlines.
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Monroe, MI | Re: Kinda Stupid? B - It IS nothing more than running searches through TPB. What makes is sort of interesting is how seamlessly it works through the Amazon website, which it has absolutely no control of. | |
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join:2005-07-21
Monroe, MI
| .... I'm not going to get into a discussion about whether this is moral or not. But you do need to support the artists and people behind the scenes who play & create the music and movies you love!
I haven't tried this plug-In, and probably won't but I do see one problem with this. If the creators plug-in website is down because of Amazon lawyers, then this plug-in won't work. From what I've read and learned, the plug-in calls back to the creators website. And if the website is down, then the plug-in can't call and complete the loop successfully.
Yes, this can easily be fixed, but as it stands at the moment, it won't work. | |
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