 | | just what we need cars with forced data plans sold by the mo just what we need cars with forced data plans sold by the most pushy sales guy out there.
And I hope that data roaming is off by default or that trip to Canada may cost you more then you payed for the new car. | |
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just what we need cars with forced data plans sold by the most pushy sales guy out there.
And I hope that data roaming is off by default or that trip to Canada may cost you more then you payed for the new car.
There are no forced data plans with this. You use whatever carrier and data plan you want or NONE AT ALL. It is a capability added to the system - nothing more.
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just what we need cars with forced data plans sold by the most pushy sales guy out there.
And I hope that data roaming is off by default or that trip to Canada may cost you more then you payed for the new car.
Am I missing something?
"The nice thing is that the service will simply take your existing USB modem and 3G wireless subscription and integrate it into the vehicle -- instead of requiring an entirely new subscription fee like other services of this type we've seen." | |
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Will it be restricted like some in car dvd players are (only functional if in park or not moving)?
What kind of connection options? Support only for usb aircards, or will it tether, handle Bluetooth dun or internet connection sharing via usb?
I could see this being useful if one already has a smart phone and more than one person needs/wants to use an internet connection while traveling or to get traffic updates. But, as Karl said, is it needed? When all one needs is a application on their smart phone to allow wifi router like internet sharing without any additional hardware. | |
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The first thing that pops into my head are the GPS integration capabilities.. You can embed live traffic & weather data into the GPS using the internet.
It would be nice if they had built in WiFi (client) also so when you pull into your garage it synchs up with your PC and turns in a diagnostic report. Thus alerting you to any issues they car might have detected.. | |
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| Re: Nice said by stunod2002:I like this.. The possibilities are endless... The first thing that pops into my head are the GPS integration capabilities.. You can embed live traffic & weather data into the GPS using the internet. It would be nice if they had built in WiFi (client) also so when you pull into your garage it synchs up with your PC and turns in a diagnostic report. Thus alerting you to any issues they car might have detected.. I agree - it would be nice to be able to "push" the morning commutes playlist into the car from the comfort of my easy chair..... | |
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1 edit | said by stunod2002:It would be nice if they had built in WiFi (client) also so when you pull into your garage it synchs up with your PC and turns in a diagnostic report. Thus alerting you to any issues they car might have detected.. The Sync system already has this capability and uses your cell phone plan to send diagnostic reports to a web site »www.syncmyride.com . The reports can be manually triggered or can be triggered on a 5000 mile interval automatically. You can access your report from the internet and make available to Ford for your next service visit.
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| | | | Re: Nice Very nice!!! I have to say I am VERY impressed with what Ford has done here... Pretty surprised this isn't advertised more. | |
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kudos:4 | Re: Nice said by r81984:What part of "microsoft did it" did you miss in my statement??? Ford had an exclusivity deal for the US market while Fiat had the global exclusivity deal. A Fiat would not have the system in the US and Ford does not offer the system outside the US. I didn't MISS your MS reference  . I replied to the part that claimed ONLY Ford can have Sync. Fiat has Sync using a different name.
And what about when Fiat finishes takeover of Chrysler? Will Blue&Me be available in Fiat/Chrysler cars?
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| Re: Nice said by ThrowDemsOut:I didn't MISS your MS reference . I replied to the part that claimed ONLY Ford can have Sync. Fiat has Sync using a different name. And what about when Fiat finishes takeover of Chrysler? Will Blue&Me be available in Fiat/Chrysler cars? I already answered your question. Only ford could sell Sync in the US and only Fiat everywhere else.
It looks like these deals are ending so then Sync will open up to other manufactures and other markets.
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How about just making your vehicles run? Every Ford I have had winds up being pushed down a street. Now, I can have Wi-Fi in a car that I push down the street.  That is why I have a Honda now...... | |
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Keeping my fingers crossed that I won't have to push any of them down the street!
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In the US most car shoppers look at car commercials, cup holders and stereos ... that's why we get CRAPOLA here.
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While you're at it, why don't you look at the massive recall Honda has launched recently for Accords that spit metal shards into occupants when the airbags are deployed...
No company is infallible, but Ford has been doing really well these past few years, ranking among the best in the industry.
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| Re: Ford? said by gattaca:said by dsless:Hey Henry, How about just making your vehicles run? Every Ford I have had winds up being pushed down a street. Now, I can have Wi-Fi in a car that I push down the street. That is why I have a Honda now...... Perhaps you should look up recent Consumer Reports surveys that have the Ford Fusion matching the reliability of Honda and exceeding that of Toyota. While you're at it, why don't you look at the massive recall Honda has launched recently for Accords that spit metal shards into occupants when the airbags are deployed... No company is infallible, but Ford has been doing really well these past few years, ranking among the best in the industry. My last Ford Tarus 'The Bull Car' had 3 transmissions and 2 engines by 120,000 miles.
Let's see in 5 years were that Ford Fusion is. I also own a 2008 Subaru Tribeca. With 0 problems in 2 years. It is going to the repair shop in a few days to repair the mirror my wife sheared off.  | |
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My last Ford Tarus 'The Bull Car' had 3 transmissions and 2 engines by 120,000 miles.
Let's see in 5 years were that Ford Fusion is. I
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And according to Consumer Reports, "We expect reliability to be much better than average, according to our latest subscriber survey." The 4-cylinder Fusions in particular rate 55% above the industry average for reliability.
I'm looking at the 2006 model year Fusions on Consumer Reports right now. All categories rate "very good/excellent", with only paint/trim and squeaks/rattles rating "good".
Meanwhile, the 2006 Suburu Tribeca seems to have suspension problems. 
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| said by dsless:Hey Henry, How about just making your vehicles run? Every Ford I have had winds up being pushed down a street. Now, I can have Wi-Fi in a car that I push down the street. That is why I have a Honda now...... Not only is Ford making cars that rival or beat the quality of imports now, but their resale value is on the rise. Where is GM (Government Motors) and Chrysler? Fords stock has gone from a measly 52 week low of $1.50 a share to its current $9.77.
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| said by dsless:Hey Henry, How about just making your vehicles run? Every Ford I have had winds up being pushed down a street. Now, I can have Wi-Fi in a car that I push down the street. That is why I have a Honda now...... That's why I own a avalanche and a suburban now. The last "good" ford I had was my Explorer sport-trac. I won't mention the escape. Click on the "Your fired" link at the bottom of this post to see what I think of the "Escape" experience.
I just wished I would have "escaped" sooner.
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1 edit | Re: Ford? David you got a bad deal for sure. The 2003 Escape I traded off had 65000+ on it. Replaced two parts. Something in the seatbelt that would disable the Airbag and throttle sensor.
Good luck with that Avalanche the two guys at work can not get rid of theirs fast enough. They say after all the loaner cars they have got to drive they will be well versed in GM vehicles.
Like me with Fords my Dad has never had a bad GM vehicle so there you go.
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| Re: Ford? LOL there Avalanche's are newer so that maybe the problem. My Dad has had GM's for years and only had two that had trouble. A 76 Trans-Am and a 95? Olds Aurora. Both new at there time. I only had one Ford I had trouble with. It was a 2000 Focus SE. I lemon lawed it. LOL I drove the loaner Focus more then my own.
I have a 08 Fusion SEL now. It replaced my 07 Fusion SE that got beat to hail in March of 08. I really like the SYNC that it has. My poor 1984 Capri never gets drove now. | |
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The newer, non-legacy Fords have been getting high ratings though, mostly the Fusion. If it weren't for that dog ugly front grill I'd probably have bought one. | |
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The Jetta TDI which is the most notable current diesel vehicle has had some solid commercials and marketing, including some shared marketing from MythBusters, and it still isn't getting the exposure it likely deserves. My opinion is that's more about the price than the tech, but whatever.
Also, diesel is remembered as a"dirty" fuel, associated with emissions. Not that it's true these days of technology, but I think a lot of buyers are making that association. Big rigs use diesel as well and they spew all sorts of fumes. Obviously that's not the fuel's fault, but that's the perception, likely.
I'm sorry to say but if they want diesel to take off in the US, the need to speak the language of the Americans. Those cars have to be significantly cheaper than their regular-fuel counterparts. Obviously that will gut regular car sales. It's a lose-lose situation. | |
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IE: MSN Direct for the Garmin GPS systems is now as good as dead because a seperate pay service can't compete with services provided "free" with a mobile phone & data plan
Also will this functionally actually work outside of the US?
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kudos:1 | Does anyone read anymore? You are not going to have to purchase another subscription, it will use your existing 3G subscription and connect by USB. It is yet another good idea by Ford. Why would I want to pay a monthly fee like on (snoop) star when I can do the exact thing with my own mobile phone. | |
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East Hanover, NJ | yeah but Do you think Ford can fix the volume issue with their Sync system when paired via Bluetooth to a cell phone? Either the system's voice is extremely loud or the phone volume is too low.
I can see it now putting out so much WIFI power that you fry all the WIFI devices around you, or not enough power that the occupants in the car can't get a signal.
Yeah yeah that's it!
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| | Criminal That's what it is. Criminal. As if there weren't enough electronic distractions in a car already. Shame on you, Ford! Oh, I forgot. The driver would never use this. Only the passengers. Oh, well, then it's alright. Yes, indeed. Fine and dandy. Way to go, Ford. | |
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Newtown, PA | Ford needs to re-FOCUS on the primary function of the car In their drive to out do every other automobile manufacturer, Ford has forgotten the primary function of the automobile - to provide a safe, effective means of personal transportation.
I recently had the misfortune of once again getting a Ford vehicle when I recently was away on a business trip. In the past I attributed the problems I had to the general maintenance and upkeep by the rental car companies.
This time a got a Ford Focus - a misnomer because in stuffing the car with every piece of gadgetry available, Ford has forgotten the primary function of the automobile. While SYNC, bluetooth pairing, etc. worked very well ..this car was an absolute horrific drive. It made all kinds of strange sounds and had horrible braking. Mind you this car had less than 7K miles on it.
Before putting in wi-fi and other driver distractions, maybe Ford should focus on the whole driver experience with the primary function of the car. It is nice to say my car has SYNC, wi-fi, xxxxx (insert your own fad here) if the car actually does it primary purpose well. While I never have had to push a Ford like some of the other posters here there is a lot to be desired with their cars before they start comparing themselves to Honda, Toyota or for even that matter GM (all of whose cars I have owned and driven). | |
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| Re: Ford needs to re-FOCUS on the primary function of the car said by sam64:In their drive to out do every other automobile manufacturer, Ford has forgotten the primary function of the automobile - to provide a safe, effective means of personal transportation. I recently had the misfortune of once again getting a Ford vehicle when I recently was away on a business trip. In the past I attributed the problems I had to the general maintenance and upkeep by the rental car companies. First of all it was a rental vehicle so what is Fords place in this? They have NO control over the idiots that drive and in most cases abuse rental cars. If Ford was such a poorly built vehicle than why is their resale values rising hire than imports and the quality matching or beating the imports as well? Plus they are NOT government owned such as your beloved GM or Chrysler.
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Newtown, PA | Re: Ford needs to re-FOCUS on the primary function of the car If 7K miles of bad driving did this one in then it certainly speaks to the quality (or lack thereof) of their builds.
Ford's place in this is that they built the car - I can understand a rental with many miles on it but 7K miles is almost new.
GM is not my favorite either - but their cars do seem to fare a little better esp. when they have so few miles on them.
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| Re: Ford needs to re-FOCUS on the primary function of the car said by sam64:If 7K miles of bad driving did this one in then it certainly speaks to the quality (or lack thereof) of their builds. Ford's place in this is that they built the car - I can understand a rental with many miles on it but 7K miles is almost new. GM is not my favorite either - but their cars do seem to fare a little better esp. when they have so few miles on them. Chrysler is pure junk. I have had a car made by them too - nice looking but basically porr quality junk. Fair enough. My point is if Ford DIDN'T build cars of quality and/or a better management, why didn't they require a bail out from the Government?
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| Well much of all of these threads has turning into a "my car is better than your car" battle. Cars are ultimately a personal taste. Ford doesn't make any car which appeals to me. They can dump as much techno-stuffing into it as they like; I think the cars are hideous. That's just my opinion.
As for strange noises and bad braking, well the sound of Ford's power steering is somewhat legendary heh. And if you're used to GMs "I sneezed on the brake-pedal and the brakes threw me through the front windshield" then yes, Ford's mushier brakes will seem odd.
All of that said, I agree with your post. How about focusing on quieter, more fuel efficient, more reliable cars instead of craming a ton of useless junk in these things.
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| | Well I . . . Like Synch I have a 2010 Ford Fusion Sport with Synch and find it is worth the price. Use of cell phone with no hands is useful when you have to use it. Less of a distraction than changing the radio station.
No texting though. Idiot Sheriff dept car almost sideswiped me last year because the alleged human being was using his laptop while driving. BAN POLICE CAR LAPTOPS. | |
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