  RobIn Deo speramus.Premium
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kudos:3 | What more can you ask for.. Two failing companies holding hands.
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Westminster, CA | Re: What more can you ask for.. said by Rob:Two failing companies holding hands. Rock on! FORD: FOUND ON ROAD DEAD! | |
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Pleasant Hill, MO | You do know that ford is the only 1 that did not take money from the government, right?
And they had this in the works since last year. | |
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kudos:3 | Re: What more can you ask for.. said by me1212:You do know that ford is the only 1 that did not take money from the government, right? And they had this in the works since last year. Yes, I knew that. But I never made any mention of the government money.
Ford has been failing for years, it's no secret. | |
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kudos:3 | Re: What more can you ask for.. said by ajwees41:if ford has beenfailing why didn't they take the money? They posted a $14.7 billion dollar loss in 2008. If you don't consider that failing, I don't know what is then.
They have lost money every year, for years.
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Rialto, CA | Re: What more can you ask for.. Maybe Fiat will buy Ford. | |
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kudos:3 | Re: What more can you ask for.. said by rcdailey:Maybe Fiat will buy Ford. I like Fiat. I'd probably support that type of purchase. | |
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Rialto, CA | Re: What more can you ask for.. It would be okay, but they would have to use fiat money, since that's all we have here. | |
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1 edit | said by Rob:said by rcdailey:Maybe Fiat will buy Ford. I like Fiat. I'd probably support that type of purchase. you do realize that Fiat is failing? (and took money from Italian government and is owned by chrysler which took money from Our gov and is still failing after being double bailed out) right?
And Ford = Fun On Race Day (get it right already)
Fiat = Fix It Again Tony
If there were a merger of Ford and Fiat it would be Ford buying Fiat (or buying the top of the fiat empire Benz) | |
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join:2007-01-18
Winston Salem, NC | said by rcdailey:Maybe Fiat will buy Ford. Or Yugo could.... | |
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Pittsburgh, PA
kudos:1 | UAW, bleeding another company dry.
However, I wonder what they are paying their union members... | |
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| | | | | | | | Re: What more can you ask for.. Couldn't have said it better myself. The UAW is the whole problem. | |
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| | | | | | | | | Re: What more can you ask for.. said by jjsk8r85:Couldn't have said it better myself. The UAW is the whole problem. Well this off topic so I won't get too deep into it, but if you truly believe that, then your ignorance truly knows no bounds.
BTW, what's Toyota and some of the other Japanese automaker's excuse?
»www.associatedcontent.com/articl···ml?cat=3 | |
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Winston Salem, NC | Re: What more can you ask for.. said by DarnellP:said by jjsk8r85:Couldn't have said it better myself. The UAW is the whole problem. Well this off topic so I won't get too deep into it, but if you truly believe that, then your ignorance truly knows no bounds. BTW, what's Toyota and some of the other Japanese automaker's excuse? » www.associatedcontent.com/articl···ml?cat=3 Consider the depth of their losses though. Toyota may have pulled a loss for one year, GM and Ford and Chrysler have been doing it for years, and with a larger amount per year as well. | |
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join:2005-07-16 | Here's a list of Ford's 'failures', specifically when it comes to trucks:
Ford F-Series - Best selling vehicle on the planet for 23 years, best selling full size pick up for 31 years
Ford Ranger - Best selling compact pick up
Ford Explorer - Best selling SUV period, best selling midsize SUV, since it's inception
Ford Expedition - Best selling full size SUV
Ford Escape - Was the best selling compact SUV, but I believe it's now second to the Jeep Liberty
Ford Econoline - Best selling full size van for 28 years.
And the million dollar question, why were Ford trucks used in the construction of the Toyota plant in San Antonio? Oh that's right Toyota doesn't make a real truck.
There's only two things I fault Ford on, the discontinuation of the Excursion, the Expedition EL doesn't count. Ford should absolutely have an SUV based off the Super Duty platform along with a Lincoln twin cousin and they should have never came out with the Blackwood, and you think they would have learned from their mistakes, but then came the Mark LT.
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join:2001-08-25
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kudos:3 | Re: What more can you ask for.. *sigh*
I never said they are a failure, or that they haven't produced quality cars.
I said they are a failing company. They continually lose money, and continually fail to meet profit projections.
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| me1212
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Pleasant Hill, MO | How many crashes do you guys think this will cause? | |
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | Too bad Sprint's 3 G is non existant I don't get companies liek Ford adn the NFL partnreing up the a company that is a DISTANT 3rd in the mobile arena. you'd think they'd want the MOST customers not less. No I'm going going with Sprint just because a truck I might buy has it. Or just to get NFL content. Which I can't anyways even if I wanted too since I can't even get regular Sprint coverage in my area let alone 3G. Now verizon, yep I have Verizon 3G in my area. Too bad compnaies are too stupid to figure this shit out. | |
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| Re: Too bad Sprint's 3 G is non existant No offense, but your assumptions are at the sheeple-mentality level. Sprint may be third place , but they do have 49.3 (2/19/09) million subscribers. That number, no matter how you look at it, looks quite eye catching, and that is with the current churn. (Source »gigaom.com/2009/02/19/sprint-los···cribers/).
With that said, and with Sprints excellent coverage and money-saving plans, this was a great move on Fords part to attract those tech savvy people. Its unfortunate they do not provide coverage in your area, but that's no reason to talk down about a company whos prices are geared much better for this economy than that of any other..
(and coverage is excellent, Ive got att and Sprint, Sprint beats att hands down on both calls and data up the entire east coast of the U.S. [at least where I've been] - and no not just cities but rural areas as well)
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Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: Too bad Sprint's 3 G is non existant +1 on Sprint having a solid network. There has been one place where VZ and ATT have had 3G and Sprint hasn't, at least for where I go. Sprint 3G has been solid for me... | |
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | said by Mike_:No offense, but your assumptions are at the sheeple-mentality level. Sprint may be third place , but they do have 49.3 (2/19/09) million subscribers. That number, no matter how you look at it, looks quite eye catching, and that is with the current churn. (Source » gigaom.com/2009/02/19/sprint-los···cribers/). With that said, and with Sprints excellent coverage and money-saving plans, this was a great move on Fords part to attract those tech savvy people. Its unfortunate they do not provide coverage in your area, but that's no reason to talk down about a company whos prices are geared much better for this economy than that of any other.. (and coverage is excellent, Ive got att and Sprint, Sprint beats att hands down on both calls and data up the entire east coast of the U.S. [at least where I've been] - and no not just cities but rural areas as well) You sounds like a Sprint shill. Sorry 80 mil > than 50 mil any day of the week. sprint isnt any cheaper. Excellent coverage? Type in my zip and compare coverage. Sprint's 3G sucks compared to Verizon. 95% of my state had 3G coverage Sprint maybe 10% if that. | |
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Davis, CA | Re: Too bad Sprint's 3 G is non existant FOUND ON ROAD DEAD! Why can't they be saavy car buyers and get a Honda that looks just like the BMW the Joneses have? I thought everyone owned a car that looked like a BMW now!
*smirks*
Oh wait, there is that Toy-ota thing that they call the Tundra. | |
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kudos:1 | said by hottboiinnc:And you claim that ATT's 3G is better? you must also forget that Sprint's EVDO roams on Alltel who's network will be transfered fully to Verizon soon. It really just depends where you are. Here in southeast Texas At&t has the best coverage, and Verizon is very good also. They both are better than Sprint. It would have been nicer if Ford built the system with GSM/HSDPA/CDMA/EVDO and let the customer choose what carrier the in car system ran on.
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working for the competition ive learned to appreciate what sprint does for me. | |
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| | | With Sprint, you get free roaming which is on Verizon's network (voice).(as long as 50% of your minutes aren't roaming) - that pretty much covers the whole country then.
I do see where Camden is not on Sprint's map and is only on I-40.
The problem with Verizon is they don't need partners. Sprint is looking to pull subs from Verizon and ATT and this is one way it can be done (even though you may not others will).
I think Hesse will be successful in turning Sprint around. The have great plans and the hardware is starting to catch up with the rest. Even, if you remain 3rd, there is nothing wrong with that as long as you start turning profit | |
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| |  NerdtalkerWorking Hard, Or Hardly Working?Premium,MVM
join:2003-02-18
Tucson, AZ | Re: Too bad Sprint's 3 G is non existant The two also do roam Ev-Do on each other, if you're tricky enough to figure out which older PRLs prefer Verizon over regional carriers (Alltel, which is admittedly now Verizon), and the registry edit to open up the roaming preferences options on the Windows Mobile devices.
Heck, you can even force roam on them 24/7 if you want. But there's a soft ~250 MB cap.
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| NerdtalkerWorking Hard, Or Hardly Working?Premium,MVM
join:2003-02-18
Tucson, AZ | ::rolls eyes::
Why is it, inevitably, when anyone mentions a mobile carrier, everyone needs to jump in with their (pointless) anecdotal advice, evidence, stories, e.t.c. I mean, one anecdotal data point totally has changed around my impressions on the matter. ( BF69  , this isn't directed at you personally, but rather at just about everyone who talks out of some dark orifice and makes generalizations about coverage based solely on their experiences in probably a very localized area. This is also another reason for FCC mandated, standardized, street-level maps of signal strength across carriers, so that everyone can see who is really better).
No one carrier is best everwhere, coverage is highly dependent on your particular market. Take my area, for example. I used to be on Cricket. Don't ask why, it was a decision which was made for me many, many years ago. Last year, I decided it was time for a change, so I did some of my own testing before deciding on a particular carrier. The GSM offerings where I live were out, AT&T is virtually nonexistent up in the foothills where I live, so much so that it literally is common knowledge. T-Mobile didn't have any 3G network at all. That left CDMA carriers Verizon, Sprint, and Alltel.
What did I do? I took my HTC Apache, downloaded the latest PRLs for each of the three carriers (from the corolada page: »corolada.com/prl/ ), loaded them into the radio stack, and went for a drive. At each of my primary locations, I simply read and recorded the signal strength and quality properties using FieldTrial.exe on Windows Mobile for both 1x (Voice) and Ev-Do (Data). In the majority of locations (which mattered to me), Sprint beat the other two.
Sprint and Verizon are definitely the two top-tier 3G carriers right now. Believe it. AT&T's 3G network is struggling to keep pace with the influx of iPhone customers, their backhaul is inadequate at best, nonexistent at worst, and just plain rushed. T-Mobile didn't even have a 3G network until recently, hell, they just released their first 3G USB modem.
Who does that leave? Oh yeah, the CDMA giants Verizon and Sprint who have had EvDo built out, deployed, and even signed roaming contracts on each others networks.
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join:2002-04-17
San Francisco, CA | Oh, great! Now these jack-ass truck drivers won't just be on the cell phone...but on their computers as the swerve towards me, block the passing lane and tailgate. | |
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join:2004-12-10
Lorton, VA
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| As somebody in this mix... I have something to add.
I've been servicing one of the largest Ford Truck dealers in the Southeast for 5 years now. I provide EVDO hotspot service for them; for offsite sales. I also just signed onto a sprint broadband service a few months ago.
I think I have all the bases covered on this one.
First, our dealership is one of the few that has shown a consistent profit for over 6 months now. So much so that they are expanding and improving their interests.
Whatever losses Ford may have been posting, they've been offsetting it by stockpiling huge sums of cash for most of a decade. That's why they can afford to turn down stimulus offerings.
Second, Ford's trucks are consistently pretty good. They lean more toward minimally decked out models where as GM focuses on the luxo-boats. Not long back, Ford offered a 4door 3/4ton crew cab with bed and minimal amenities for 16k out the door. We couldn't get enough to sell.
Third, in THIS area, Sprint's coverage is above average. They have fewer dead zones than AT&T and Verizon. All 3 have kick butt 3G when the signal is good. However, Sprint reaches into all the dead zones that the other two can't reach. I've been quite happy with them.
I've carried and evaluated all three data carriers in the last 18 months. All in all, I prefer Sprint. Their customer service has been excellent. I'm pretty optimistic toward the venture.
This concept will work out. Just wait and see for your self.
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join:2004-06-21
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kudos:2 | cops Cops will beable to track you
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|  TomClancyFreedom isn't free
join:2003-04-23
... | Re: cops Get your tinfoil hats out everyone, I guess tinfoil roofs in this situation.
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| Noah VailSon made my AvatarPremium
join:2004-12-10
Lorton, VA
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| said by Anonymous_: Cops will beable to track you also the goverment too That's going to happen one day; with or without this.
The question is: How much power do you want to have, when others know so much about you?
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| | SLDPremium
join:2002-04-17
San Francisco, CA | Re: cops If driving is to remain a privilege rather than a right, I think it would be OK to track people on public roads, in the name of public safelty. Auto crashes are killing 40,000 people a year and injuring many more. Howerver, if driving is a right - then the gov't has no place here. | |
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