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kudos:2 | Re: Will AT&T now get serious about bundling discounts? said by Phil:If people switch to Verizon for the iPhone, that means less traffic congestion for me. Exactly. And I can assure everyone that VZW's network is not prepared for the influx of iPhones that will hammer their network.
Call it a growing pain..
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kudos:2 | Re: Will AT&T now get serious about bundling discounts? said by digitalfreak:said by Rob:said by Phil:If people switch to Verizon for the iPhone, that means less traffic congestion for me. Exactly. And I can assure everyone that VZW's network is not prepared for the influx of iPhones that will hammer their network. Call it a growing pain.. Do you work for Verizon? One doesn't need to work for VZW to know that their network isn't prepared to handle the iPhone.
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kudos:2 | Re: Will AT&T now get serious about bundling discounts? said by digitalfreak:said by Rob:One doesn't need to work for VZW to know that their network isn't prepared to handle the iPhone. So... you can't "assure" anything. Just because I don't work there doesn't mean I don't know people who do.
But.. let's just wait and see.
They have a solid network. But it's seen nothing yet.
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| Re: Will AT&T now get serious about bundling discounts? said by Rob:said by digitalfreak:said by Rob:One doesn't need to work for VZW to know that their network isn't prepared to handle the iPhone. So... you can't "assure" anything. Just because I don't work there doesn't mean I don't know people who do. But.. let's just wait and see. They have a solid network. But it's seen nothing yet. Exactly, I think the same thing would happen to VZ that happened to AT&T unless VZ knew this was coming and beefed it up substantially which I doubt.
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| Re: Will AT&T now get serious about bundling discounts? said by ptrowski:Exactly, I think the same thing would happen to VZ that happened to AT&T unless VZ knew this was coming and beefed it up substantially which I doubt. »news.cnet.com/8301-30686_3-20012011-266.html
"...Verizon Wireless smartphone customers consume on average about 421 megabytes per month. Meanwhile, AT&T iPhone users consume roughly 25 percent less data, or about 338 megabytes per month."
It appears Verizon already has more data traffic than AT&T and they still don't have the issues AT&T does. This is what happens when a company focuses on network infrastructure with its profits. | |
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| Re: Will AT&T now get serious about bundling discounts? said by Pope:said by ptrowski:Exactly, I think the same thing would happen to VZ that happened to AT&T unless VZ knew this was coming and beefed it up substantially which I doubt. » news.cnet.com/8301-30686_3-20012011-266.html"...Verizon Wireless smartphone customers consume on average about 421 megabytes per month. Meanwhile, AT&T iPhone users consume roughly 25 percent less data, or about 338 megabytes per month." It appears Verizon already has more data traffic than AT&T and they still don't have the issues AT&T does. This is what happens when a company focuses on network infrastructure with its profits. That's great and all, but when you will have a HUGE surge of new users that doesn't matter.
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kudos:2 | Re: Will AT&T now get serious about bundling discounts? I seriously doubt VZW will see a huge surge in "new" customers. No doubt, there will be consumers that migrate from AT&T to Verizon Wireless, but I don't believe the numbers will be as grand as some believe...at least not nearly as much of a surge that AT&T experience when initially offering the iPhone. | |
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kudos:4 | Re: Will AT&T now get serious about bundling discounts? I am not sure. There have been quite a few mentions of people that would switch in a heartbeat should it come out, so I think it would be more than you may expect.
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kudos:2 | Re: Will AT&T now get serious about bundling discounts? And I say I will work out more, drink less, and eat healthier all of the time. Doesn't make it a reality 
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| Re: Will AT&T now get serious about bundling discounts? said by openbox9:And I say I will work out more, drink less, and eat healthier all of the time. Doesn't make it a reality Yes time will tell. Wow, you have the same aspirations as I do! 
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What some people are missing: there won't be many "new" customers flocking to Verizon due to Verizon's prices compared to AT&T for the same service. I guarantee you that the majority of iPhone users if/when Verizon gets it are going to be people who already have Verizon service and get the iPhone to replace their existing phone.
I'm curious to see how VZW nerfs the iPhone if they do get it. Forced VZAccess Manager and whatnot. I would say that if they get it, I would at least consider it - and I'm probably as anti-iPhone as they come, but I do need a device that plays a bit more friendly with my MacBook. | |
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i have had phone monitored for congestion and dropped signals for a 3 month period and spoke directly with engineers and tech support over these issues..
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kudos:1 | said by digitalfreak:said by Rob:One doesn't need to work for VZW to know that their network isn't prepared to handle the iPhone. So... you can't "assure" anything. Precisely. Armchair analysts flood DSLR news.
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i do not need a profesional to explain to me thatthere is issues when i deal with them daily. you are a prime example of the main issue by sitting behind a desk and assuming every one else is and idiot..
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kudos:2 | Re: Will AT&T now get serious about bundling discounts? said by openupshop:Oh please! Like Verizon doesn't have Data Hungry Android phones and Blackberries on it's network. The Iphone doesn't use more or less data as any other smart phone. AT&T is just a cheap ass and doesn't keep up its network. It's not about that. It's about the possibility of millions of iPhones being added to VZW's network at the same time. Android and Blackberries are nothing compared to the iPhone.
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| Re: Will AT&T now get serious about bundling discounts? You think people are gonna flock that fast to Verizon LMAO...it will take a while. I don't think they are gonna get millions in a couple or weeks. People are happy with Android and much more happy that we can root | |
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| said by Rob:said by openupshop:Oh please! Like Verizon doesn't have Data Hungry Android phones and Blackberries on it's network. The Iphone doesn't use more or less data as any other smart phone. AT&T is just a cheap ass and doesn't keep up its network. It's not about that. It's about the possibility of millions of iPhones being added to VZW's network at the same time. Android and Blackberries are nothing compared to the iPhone. You've got that backwards. | |
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| said by Rob:said by openupshop:Oh please! Like Verizon doesn't have Data Hungry Android phones and Blackberries on it's network. The Iphone doesn't use more or less data as any other smart phone. AT&T is just a cheap ass and doesn't keep up its network. It's not about that. It's about the possibility of millions of iPhones being added to VZW's network at the same time. Android and Blackberries are nothing compared to the iPhone.  what?
Do you have any proof of that.
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| | | | | said by Rob:said by Phil:If people switch to Verizon for the iPhone, that means less traffic congestion for me. Exactly. And I can assure everyone that VZW's network is not prepared for the influx of iPhones that will hammer their network. Call it a growing pain... I agree with the less traffic part. Defections from AT&T would benefit those who stay behind as well as those who defect as the later will be relieving the stress off the network, leaving more bandwidth for the former.
However, I do agree with the article as well. Those who already got iPhone 4 won't be defecting to Verizon as much as they are probably just 4-5 months into their 2-year contracts and unless they hate the phone and/or AT&T that much that they would be willing to pay up whatever is left of their ETF, they are not going anywhere until 2012. And if the above was the case, they should have returned the phone within 30 days and gotten out of the contract altogether.
AT&T could see some defections starting next summer, which would be 3GS users whose contracts would be coming to an end right about then and who are not happy with AT&T.
The only ones jumping all over Verizon iPhone would be those who just love Verizon and were not willing to budge and switch to AT&T earlier, no matter how much they might have loved the iPhone. However, most of these are probably already Verizon customers, so the only thing Verizon would get out of them is tie them into another 2-year contract.
About Verizon's network not being ready to handle the impending iPhone traffic, I don't think it will be as bad as AT&T. After all, they have already been selling some Android devices that are just as data-hungry as iPhones for quite some time and so far no major complaints from customers.
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| said by Rob:said by Phil:If people switch to Verizon for the iPhone, that means less traffic congestion for me. Exactly. And I can assure everyone that VZW's network is not prepared for the influx of iPhones that will hammer their network. Call it a growing pain.. Math to prove this?
Verizon has about 9m droids. Att has about 14m iphones.
Evidence is there that shows the average droid uses much more data per month than the iphone.
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| Re: Wait for it..... In some areas, it's ALREADY begun slowing down under the weight of the Droids. Throw in the iPhone and Verizon's already slower network (Rev B maxes out at less than half of what HSDPA can do) will make ATT look great.
That many smartphones would wreak havoc on any network. The best thing to come from the iPhone spreading to other carriers would be that the burden would be spread out, meaning ATT's network can perform much better for the users who leave for Verizon's slower, but larger network.
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kudos:4 | How was it "confirmed"? Maybe I missed it but until the official announcement from VZ or Apple how is this confirmed? | |
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| AWS iPhone Apparently this is in the works as well, but doesn't get nearly the amount of press the Verizon iPhone.
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1 edit | Re: AWS iPhone The only time an AWS iPhone will come out is when Apple makes an LTE iPhone which runs on 700/1700.
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Same chipset/technology - just a band shift.
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| Re: AWS iPhone said by en102:I think it would be actually easier to manufacture an AWS iPhone than the CDMA one. Same chipset/technology - just a band shift. definitely easier. I just think it's less likely. A CDMA iPhone will work in China, India, Canada, and Sprint/VZW in the US. That's a few hundred million potential customers.
Only about 45 million people have access to AWS-band UMTS coverage right now.
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Total global GSM/WCDMA users +4.6 billion.
I agree that AWS globally has ~1/10 of the potential currently... probably also 1/10th the manufacturing cost /development (vs. CDMA) as well. | |
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| Re: AWS iPhone said by en102:Total global CDMA users ~500 million Total global GSM/WCDMA users +4.6 billion. I agree that AWS globally has ~1/10 of the potential currently... probably also 1/10th the manufacturing cost /development (vs. CDMA) as well. The difference in cost between a CDMA iPhone and UMTS one is neligible at best. The Hummingbird processor in GalaxyS devices is nearly identical to the "custom made" A4 in the iPhone4. And as we all know, the GalaxyS devices are available on both CDMA and WCDMA using the same SoC. Just different radios.
It doesnt take a lot of effort to make a CDMA iPhone. Just get a different radio and that's it. If Apple wants to make a CDMA iPhone, they can. Assuming that doesn't conflict with their contract with ATT.
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| Re: So based on Ivan's previous statement.. said by cscottm:of saying Verizon wasn't getting the iphone anytime soon, that people signed up with another carrier or signed a new contract because their phone was broke. I know someone who's phone won't charge the battery (they used another phone to charge the battery) & was holding off as long as possible b/c they wanted the iphone. Well when Ivan said they were not getting it anytime soon, he renewed his contract & got an android. Now he's hearing the iphone is coming early next year & is not too happy Sell the Android and buy the iPhone unsubsidized.
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Fortune has confirmed that a Verizon iPhone will be released in early 2011.
The next step, the iPhone, remains shrouded in secrecy, and neither company will discuss it. But people familiar with its development say it is a fait accompli. Verizon, sources say, will sell its own version of the iPhone 4, which will work on Verizon's CDMA-based 3G network. That is the entire PROOF of their confirming a deal exists. No proof. Not even a reference to highly placed unnamed sources at Verizon.
A Verizon iPhone may very well happen. But Fortune magazine is doing nothing but passing on rumors that have been circulating for 2 yrs now.
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San Antonio, TX | Lots of people test? I'm interested if anyone else has this experience: go to any Div-I college football game or anywhere with a comparable amount of people and try to make/receive a phone call or texts with your iPhone. Epic fail 100% of the time.
I carry both an iPhone and a VZW Blackberry for work--my informal, non-statistically-valid long-term experience indicates that the VZW phone is categorically more reliable than the iPhone in places where there are large amounts of people at any given time. | |
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1 edit | Re: Lots of people test? This is going to vary in every major venue. AT&T has contracts for cell exclusivity in some stadiums and Verizon has it for others. It just depends where you go. In Texas AT&T rules the roost, but in the northeast I'm sure Verizon is king of the stadiums.
Didn't have any problems texting or calling my iPhone buddy who was at the UT/Baylor game today. | |
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Tenafly, NJ | Apple is amazing They are taking the same approach with Verizon that they did with AT&T. Release phones every year, but always one step BEHIND current technology.
I just canceled my AT&T service and switched to Verizon. My iPhone on AT&T got so bad, I couldn't make any calls and could barely use the internet. I am supposedly going to get a bill for $95 ETF, I plan on calling them when that happens and telling them that I terminated my agreement early because they couldn't provide adequate service and therefore they broke their contract with me and the ETF should be waived. Hopefully I will get somewhere with them. | |
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