 UnnDunnPremium join:2005-12-21 Brooklyn, NY | Did anyone really expect anything different? Cablevision was always going to raise your rates in January. Now they have an excuse.  | |
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 |  tiger72SexaT duorPPremium join:2001-03-28 Saint Louis, MO kudos:1 Reviews:
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| Re: Did anyone really expect anything different? said by UnnDunn:Cablevision was always going to raise your rates in January. Now they have an excuse. Last I checked, the source of almost every rate hike is due to programmers raising their rates. Programmers have the upper hand, because everyone likes to blame the cable companies for the programmers' greed. -- "What makes us omniscient? Have we a record of omniscience? ...If we can't persuade nations with comparable values of the merit of our cause, we'd better reexamine our reasoning." -United States Secretary of Defense (1961-1968) Robert S. McNamara | |
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| Re: Did anyone really expect anything different? Eliminate the variables.
Looking at other services delivered down the exact same cable pipe..... I haven't had any price hikes to my Internet service in over 6 years (and have had several speed upgrades) and my digital phone service has actually gotten cheaper.
Yet my video rates have gotten higher. Same story with every other TV provider (Dish, Direct, Verizon, AT&T, etc....). | |
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| Re: Did anyone really expect anything different? if you haven't had your RR raised this last year you will soon. RR customers were given a nice present from TWC last year. 3% rate hike. Most of all of their customers had this except a few areas. The ones that didn't get it will soon see it so prices are more even when they kill off all of their areas and merge everyone into TWC East and TWC West. -- www.twopugsbrand.com Kosher, Vegan, and Organic Certified Dog and Cat treats/foods and other products! www.etsy.com/shop/snakx4u/ Organic, Kosher, Gluten Free, Vegan Human Baked Goods | |
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 |  |  |  |  56403739Less than 5 months leftPremium join:2006-03-08 Naples, FL kudos:2 | said by kpfx:Looking at other services delivered down the exact same cable pipe..... I haven't had any price hikes to my Internet service in over 6 years (and have had several speed upgrades) and my digital phone service has actually gotten cheaper. Yet my video rates have gotten higher. Cable video subsidizes the data side of the business, and your cable video rates have gone up faster than the programming charges have gone up. That's why. | |
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| Re: Did anyone really expect anything different? Internet doesn't look to be subsidized to me.
When Road Runner was first launched in my area 8 years ago it was $54.95 as a standalone service (no video, no phone) for 3 Mbps.
Now it's $48.99 as a standalone product for 7 Mbps (this isn't a promotional rate).
It's obvious that the price for Internet has been pretty stable over the past 8 years, gaining speed while actually getting cheaper. Compare that to the annual rate increases on the Cable TV services and it's pretty obvious content costs are getting out of control. | |
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 |  MadtownPremium join:2008-04-26 Madera, CA | Re: Children said by N3OGH:It's just so much fun to watch mega corporations make public arguments over million dollar deals while throwing their customers under the bus. Just warms the heart... They care more about the money than their customers. | |
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| Re: Children said by Madtown:said by N3OGH:It's just so much fun to watch mega corporations make public arguments over million dollar deals while throwing their customers under the bus. Just warms the heart... They care more about the money than their customers. What company doesn't? -- I found the key to success but somebody changed the lock. | |
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Cablevision cannot win, they are probably one of if no the best cable company out there. (verizon and dish are not calecompanies).
They dont have the clout to drag it out they have stated they want a a carte but cant because of companies like fox. cableision is not big enough to have used this to make a point. | |
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 Romney2012Defeat Obama 2012-Chg we can believe inPremium join:2002-03-03 USA kudos:4 | FCC lets broadcasters keep upper hand in TV disputes
Just what I have been saying here for several years. That Hollywood has the upper hand and that the FCC is misguided in its emphasis on regulating cable companies when Hollywood is the major cause of increasing cable rates. Here is a news item explaining the problem and what little is being done about it. And also goes on to explain that the FCC for its own reasons is going to do little about the situation.
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A recent spate of TV blackouts and the lack of government intervention suggests that broadcasters have the upper hand over TV signal providers when it comes to negotiating fees, at least until Congress decides to act.
"Under the present system, the FCC has very few tools with which to protect consumers' interests," FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski said in a letter to Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., in a letter Kerry's office released Friday. "Current law does not give the agency the tools necessary to prevent service disruptions."
Battles between TV signal providers and broadcasters have been raging for years and the latest dispute wasn't the longest.
The law at the center of the debates is the Cable Television Consumer Protection and Competition Act of 1992.
It allows broadcasters like Fox, ABC, CBS and NBC to choose between forcing a TV signal distributor like Cablevision to carry its local TV station, thus boosting its audience, or bargaining for the best rate it can for so-called "retransmission consent."
The law heavily favors broadcasters in such negotiations because they have the ability to black out signals and subscribers are hard to win back if they switch TV signal providers.
David Bank, an analyst with RBC Capital Markets, said it was in the best interests of the FCC to keep the balance tipped in broadcasters' favor. The FCC regulates the airwaves and it has authority over what broadcasters can send out over them. There are rules over obscenity and local content that don't apply to pay cable channels, which escape the FCC's grasp.
"That's what the FCC really cares about: minority voices on air, localism, childhood early education initiatives, obscenity," Bank said. If the balance of power were shifted to distributors, media giants could pull back from the broadcast model and move to an all-cable channel lineup. TV stations might disappear and the FCC would "lose the ability to regulate all that," Bank said.
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| Re: FCC lets broadcasters keep upper hand in TV disputes Not sure what cable companies YOU are refering to. Comcast for instance, usually nets slightly under 10% per year (down to 8.2% last quarter). It's about typical for that industry. Most of the cost increases are in fact due to content provider cost increases, some of which are due to higher production, distribution, and IP rights pruchase & protection costs. (and some of which is like FOX's "we got they shows in demand, we can charge what we want") | |
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 |  56403739Less than 5 months leftPremium join:2006-03-08 Naples, FL kudos:2 | said by Romney2012:Just what I have been saying here for several years. That Hollywood has the upper hand and that the FCC is misguided in its emphasis on regulating cable companies when Hollywood is the major cause of increasing cable rates. Here is a news item explaining the problem and what little is being done about it. And also goes on to explain that the FCC for its own reasons is going to do little about the situation. The FCC has no business regulating what content is carried on any MVPD nor what fees are charged to carry it.
Program producers should be free to market their product to any and all comers at the price they want to charge. Their customers (such as Cablevision) are free to pay or not pay that price. Expecting a government agency like the FCC to step into that market is patently absurd. | |
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 pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD | Shrug
Did anyone else think that Cablevision's "concession speech" regarding News Corp was BS? If the fees are "unfair" then Cablevision should have stood its ground and told News Corp to shove it.
By choosing to pay News Corp, then by definition Cablevision thinks it is fair.
If the cable companies are tired of being "screwed" by content providers then perhaps they need to invest more in government and push for laws that ban the bundling of channels. -- "Net Neutrality" zealots - the people you can thank for your capped Internet service. | |
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| Re: Shrug At the end of the day they are just a content distributer and FOX are the content holders. If customers want FOX well screw it have the customers pay the unfair bill. So when they cry foul over the rate hike cablevision can go, hey punk you wanted it that bad so we got it for you and now your mad because they raised our bill and we had to raise yours? Ha.
I only watch the local news and movies I still go to the theater or just watch them off netflix. I don't see a real reason for me to have anything else and to pay for something I cannot control or DVR so I can watch it later. | |
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| I think these contract disputes are manufactured BS. I wouldn't be surprised if it was revealed that the contract disputes between the cable companies and the content providers were planned by both parties with a predetermined outcome. They put on a good show of arguing, but in the end they both make more money.
Cablevision: "OK Fox, you say you want 10% more." Fox: "Sounds good Cablevision. You follow up with saying it's outragous and will only agree to 3% more." Cablevision: "Perfect!" Fox: "Then we agree on 5% more." Cablevision: "I'm going to charge the customer 10% more anyway!" | |
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 |  Simba7I Void Warranties join:2003-03-24 Billings, MT | I wonder how much the channels are actually getting. I bet the cable companies' profit margins are alot less then you think.
..and "thegeek", if you actually read the previous posts, CV actually has been fighting NewsCorp's BS. Unfortunately, the customers were getting ticked and started with the lawsuits. CV basically said "Fine.." and decided to get gouged by Fox, which in turn gouges everyone on CV.
If no one wanted Fox (or anything that NewsCorp is spewing out), I'm sure it would be a different story. -- Bresnan 18M/1M MyWS[E5200@3.75GHz,4GB RAM,2x1TB HDDs,Win7] WifeWS[A64@2GHz,2GB RAM,120GB HDD,Win7] Router[2xP3@1GHz,512MB RAM,18GB HDD,SMC 8432BTA,2xDigital DE504,Compaq NC3131,Intel Pro/1000MT,IBM Gigabit Ethernet-SX,Allied Telesyn AT2560FX,Gentoo Linux] | |
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 WhatNowPremium join:2009-05-06 Charlotte, NC | Cablevision blinks Fox wins in this fight and who will win big after Tuesday vote The Republican/Fox Broadcast Company. This crowd hates Government except when it helps them by putting money in their pocket. Let them fight it out.
I have posted this before Every Channel that charges the carrier a fee should be a premium channel where the carrier just collects the fee for the content provider. The carrier charges a flat rate to the customer for the connection and then adds the individual channels to the bill. If any part of the bill goes up the customer will know who to blame. | |
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| Re: Cablevision blinks said by WhatNow:Every Channel that charges the carrier a fee should be a premium channel where the carrier just collects the fee for the content provider. The carrier charges a flat rate to the customer for the connection and then adds the individual channels to the bill. If any part of the bill goes up the customer will know who to blame. Agreed. This would simplify billing for all. Guaranteed I would not pay for the Fox network at all; don't watch it, don't want it and certainly don't want to pay for it. | |
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 ARIA2LinuxPremium join:2002-04-15 Brooklyn, NY | Switch to FIOS its the bestest Swith over to FIOS, Cablevision is crap, i pay 140 dollars for ultimate HD 35/35 and phone service... it comes with on demand channels and HBO showtime cinamax etc....
who the hell gives a crap about channel 12? -- the artist which was last known as ShavedBeaver | |
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 |  TavokkPremium join:2009-05-05 Smyrna, DE | Re: Switch to FIOS its the bestest said by ARIA2:Swith over to FIOS, Cablevision is crap, i pay 140 dollars for ultimate HD 35/35 and phone service... it comes with on demand channels and HBO showtime cinamax etc.... who the hell gives a crap about channel 12? Wait till the next time FIOS has to renew with Fox in NY state, they'll say "Cablevision payed $xx million for this channel, so it's the 'fair market value' now" and your FIOS bill will go up. | |
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 tiyuri join:2001-06-06 Little Silver, NJ | Verizon should turn Cablevision's words on them If binding arbitration was good enough for Cablevision in this Fox dispute it should be good enough for them to use it to finally get MSG-HD on FiOS..... | |
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 |  RARPSL join:1999-12-08 Suffern, NY | Re: Verizon should turn Cablevision's words on them said by tiyuri:If binding arbitration was good enough for Cablevision in this Fox dispute it should be good enough for them to use it to finally get MSG-HD on FiOS..... There is one difference between the MSG-HD dispute and the Fox Dispute. Fox was withdrawing OTA channels while CV is withdrawing a non-OTA channel (as well as giving FiOS access to MSG-SD). IOW: FiOS has access to MSG - Just not the HD version of the feed. | |
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Of course we already knew they would but to say so publicly? I don't get it....why would they think that it was a good idea for potential customers? | |
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| OTA all the way Thank God I am OTA. I am going to take advantage of this wonderful free service as long as I can, until it eventually goes away.
If you don't like what Cablevision does, leave them. The problem is people are not willing to put in the work and sacrifice for what they believe in. If you believe Cablevision sucks and will screw you, put up an antenna. Yes, it is work and yes, you will have to sacrifice some programming. And yes, antennas do work if you are willing to put the effort into making them do so. | |
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Which would mean those operators couldn't carry fox channels. Fox said NO
Pretty sure the contract they agreed to is similar to the July contract and by the way cablevision calls it unfair I'm sure they didn't get the "terminate business with competitors" clause. -- Email/MSN: Michael at hardwaregeeks.comAIM: MikeR35292 | |
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| Re: It was never about money said by HardwareGeek:Cablevision agreed to this contract in July with a few stipulations like forcing fox to terminate business with its competitors in the NY Market. (Dish, Fios and Direct TV). Which would mean those operators couldn't carry fox channels. Fox said NO Pretty sure the contract they agreed to is similar to the July contract and by the way cablevision calls it unfair I'm sure they didn't get the "terminate business with competitors" clause. Those competitors were NEVER named in any statement or letter, if so please produce. | |
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| Dish network caved as well. Fox won all around. A shame to say. It would have been nice to see Fox taken down a notch. But then again you have adicts that will freak out if they can't watch Bones, House, Glee, American Idol, Beck, Sports, etc.
So it was only a matter of time before the carriers caved in, and the customer loses yet again.
I just hope I can convince the people in my home that cord cutting is the cheapest way to go, at least until metered usage comes around. -- To All Real Dads. For All Real Moms Every Real Service. | |
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 cgw123 join:2002-09-13 Moraga, CA | maybe the actual owners of the product should help If Major League Baseball, holder of an anti-trust exemption, required whichever network bought the rights to provisions that ensure that blackouts would not occur, maybe recent events could have been avoided. This would take some push by Congress to baseball and other sports, and since Congress can't even agree whether water flows downhill, seems unlikely. But if I had missed the playoffs due to Fox blackmail, my representative would be hearing from me. | |
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 linicxCaveat EmptorPremium join:2002-12-03 United State | Soooooooo? I would lose no sleep if I lost Fox. | |
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