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kudos:4 | Re: Yup... said by thegeek:Until the networks will provide full HD content without bullshit restrictions and allow me to watch it on whatever device I choose at the time I choose then I'll continue to go the way of bittorrent/news groups/direct download. I'm more than willing to pay a marginal fee for such a service. I actually already pay a marginal fee as I subscribe to direct download services/news group index sites/seedbox for bittorrent. I don't really care who profits from it, I just want the content in a form convenient for me. And I'm no where near alone in this thinking. You'd think the networks and content providers would recognize this but they chose to ignore it completely.
Strangely when you get it that way there are no commercials 
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By the way - the same problem persists in Hulu plus.
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Fox and the **AAs would be my guess. Myopia seems rampant in the Entertainment Industry.
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| KearnstdElf WizardPremium
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Mullica Hill, NJ | its their own fault really, take away the legal method people like and they will go for the less legal one.
it already happens outside the US where there is a multiple month artificial delay on airing shows. in this era of transferring the shows as data over the net there is no reason for someone in the EU to wait six months to a year for a show made in the US/Canada but it happens and as such they pirate them.
and I do not think they are doing anything wrong because the IP owner is not releasing in a timely manor.
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kudos:4 | Re: Yup... Delay is no excuse to pirate the shows. Can't wait 8 days, then don't watch it at all. The reduced ratings for Fox shows will have them alter their policy.
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| | | | | Re: Yup... said by Romney2012:Delay is no excuse to pirate the shows. Can't wait 8 days, then don't watch it at all. The reduced ratings for Fox shows will have them alter their policy. In a perfect world, this is exactly how this would work...
However, the world we live in is far from that...
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| said by Romney2012:Delay is no excuse to pirate the shows. Can't wait 8 days, then don't watch it at all. The reduced ratings for Fox shows will have them alter their policy.
Reduced ratings on live or Hulu?
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kudos:4 | Re: Yup... said by Gbcue:said by Romney2012:Delay is no excuse to pirate the shows. Can't wait 8 days, then don't watch it at all. The reduced ratings for Fox shows will have them alter their policy.
Reduced ratings on live or Hulu? Live. Just don't watch Fox shows. The ratings will drop.
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| Re: Yup... said by Romney2012:said by Gbcue:said by Romney2012:Delay is no excuse to pirate the shows. Can't wait 8 days, then don't watch it at all. The reduced ratings for Fox shows will have them alter their policy.
Reduced ratings on live or Hulu? Live. Just don't watch Fox shows. The ratings will drop. People that are watching these shows on Hulu already gave up on FOX live broadcasts. It won't do anything for these people except to download the episode to view it the next day.
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| Re: Yup... said by Gbcue:People that are watching these shows on Hulu already gave up on FOX live broadcasts. It won't do anything for these people except to download the episode to view it the next day.
That's not true some of us still have lives and can't watch when a show first airs. I'm to cheap for a DVR so I will watch Hulu for shows. I'll watch the commericals I'm fine with that. 8 days is just a pain in the ass and I bet a lot of people will just go the less legal route. | |
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Yup... However the infuriating part is when you pay for hulu plus and they STILL show ads, look numnutz i've allready paid you to view it why do you still gotta squeeze a penny out of me via a ad. | |
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Yup... said by OSUGoose:However the infuriating part is when you pay for hulu plus and they STILL show ads, look numnutz i've allready paid you to view it why do you still gotta squeeze a penny out of me via a ad.
You pay for a newspaper yet they still run ads. | |
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Yup... More relevant, you pay for HBO and other channels like that and they don't show ads during program. | |
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Yup... said by sandman_1:More relevant, you pay for HBO and other channels like that and they don't show ads during program.
If you're fine with paying $14 per channel I'm sure the networks will be happy. | |
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kudos:12 | Re: Yup... said by sandman_1:It has nothing to do with being "fine" with it. You pay and you get no ads.
His point is that if you want to pay $14 per channel, times, oh say 200 channels, I'm sure the content owners would gladly implement that model, commercial free. That's only $2800 a month after all. | |
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kudos:12 | Re: Yup... said by sandman_1:I know what he said. Still doesn't add any value to his counter argument.
I am very confused as to why you're comparing HBO to networks that don't charge a fee on top of your standard bill for access to their network?
Are you suggesting all networks should charge whatever rate they choose on top of your standard cable bill to eliminate commercials? | |
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Fort Lauderdale, FL | said by Romney2012:said by Gbcue:said by Romney2012:Delay is no excuse to pirate the shows. Can't wait 8 days, then don't watch it at all. The reduced ratings for Fox shows will have them alter their policy.
Reduced ratings on live or Hulu? Live. Just don't watch Fox shows. The ratings will drop. Only if you're a Neilsen family.
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Reduced ratings on live or Hulu? Live. Just don't watch Fox shows. The ratings will drop. Fox has ratings?
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If you watch it OTA it is not piracy. If you torrent it, it is piracy. | |
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| Re: Yup... said by fifty nine:If you watch it OTA it is not piracy. If you torrent it, it is piracy. Yes, because if you torrent it, you're using your hardware to receive a program without having to pay for it and when you watch it OTA, you're using your hardware to receive a program without having to pay for it!
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| Re: Yup... said by Rekrul:said by fifty nine:If you watch it OTA it is not piracy. If you torrent it, it is piracy. Yes, because if you torrent it, you're using your hardware to receive a program without having to pay for it and when you watch it OTA, you're using your hardware to receive a program without having to pay for it! Wait... What was the difference again? One has commercials to waste 20 minutes of your life (in a 1 hour show) and one doesn't?
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| Re: Yup... said by Gbcue:One has commercials to waste 20 minutes of your life (in a 1 hour show) and one doesn't? Commercials? You mean those annoying interruptions every 3-4 minutes, that nobody pays attention to? | |
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| Re: Yup... said by Rekrul:said by Gbcue:One has commercials to waste 20 minutes of your life (in a 1 hour show) and one doesn't? Commercials? You mean those annoying interruptions every 3-4 minutes, that nobody pays attention to? So you're not denying that they waste 20 minutes per hour, interesting.
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Nope, doesn't work that way. Ratings go down cause people aren't watching the shows, means that shows get cancelled. Fox and other media companies are shooting themselves in the foot, then blaming the consumer for their failure. And you my friend, are playing right into their hand.
Let me ask you this, lets say that you can't afford cable because you don't get paid enough from your job, and OTA plain doesn't work where you live. Used to be that Fox had allowed the shows to be shown with ad's on Hulu for free the next day. Fox decides that they'd much rather people pay for cable, and decides to change it so that it doesn't show up online for 8 days afterwards. You now can't converse with your colleagues about this show, and you hear people around you talking about what happened.
Now you either want to see the show before you're told what happened, or it ruined the show for you. If these "customers" were not going to pay for cable, and cannot get it OTA either, is it really lost revenue if they download it?
How about if like another poster said, Fox decides not to release said show in the country that this person lives in, either delayed or at all, is it still lost revenue if this person downloads it to watch it?
Now this person that can't afford cable, and can't get OTA, hears about torrents/usenet, and sees that they can download their tv shows for free, in 720p, without the commercials, the same night of them airing on tv.
Is Fox not shooting themselves in the foot for not offering a free or low-cost alternative? Now they get zero advertising revenue from all these people that are downloading these shows. I understand that they want to keep people from "cord-cutting" but it's not as if they couldn't adapt/change their business model to make it work.
The same goes for the MPAA/RIAA/etc. So is it really the consumers fault for trying to find an alternative to the high-cost of entertainment, even though they cannot make ends meet without canceling their cable? Or does Fox and every other media company need to evolve with the times? | |
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A small cut from an $8 per month netflix subscription and the paltry ad revenue from online viewing won't even begin to cover operational costs. | |
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kudos:2 | I don't mind if they are 8 days delayed.. 8 days, psh that's nothing.
THIRTY FREAKIN DAYS, now that's insane. I think USA has a 30 day wait on hulu. | |
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Westfield, MA | And then what happens Is FOX says look at all the piracy of our content,please we need more laws to protect us from these freeloaders. | |
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| BF69Premium
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Camden, TN | Re: And then what happens What gets me is FOX is a OTA broadcaster. I'd understand it more if a cable channel was doing this. It would still be stupid but I'd get it why they would try to do it. | |
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| | I told ya so Somewhere I posted in the past what would happen. Guess what it's happening.
It will only get worse. I believe lots of possible ad revenue loss will eventually drive on line tv back to free. Lets see.
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Fort Pierce, FL |  Re: I told ya so
But the advertisers want us to watch it on their terms, which I can sort of understand. They're money makes the shows possible after all. Doesn't mean I like it, cuz I don't. Most of the shows are crap anyway.
I can count on 1 hand the shows I really like to watch. I got annoyed when the tv season went from 24 episodes to 11, and I got pissed off when they went to the stupid 6 shows, then 1-2 months off, and show the other 5, call it a season and see ya in 6-8 months.
I couldn't be bothered with scheduling my watching habits around a calendar. Download a full season, watch em when I want without commercials.
And if more people do the same, and they can't afford to make the shows anymore..... oh well..... life goes on. If you NEED tv or movies to be able to live your life comfortably, then your exactly the product that the government and society in general are glad to have molded that way.
If your watching tv or movies, you don't have time to think about or bitch about the way things are going: unemployment, recession, global warming, low caps high overages, more ways to use the limited services so you have to pay overages, etc..... too unimportant cuz American Idol/Jersey Housewife/Shores/Island, Dancing/Skating/Pie Throwing with the Starz is on....
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| | | said by HMMMMM :Somewhere I posted in the past what would happen. Guess what it's happening.
It will only get worse. I believe lots of possible ad revenue loss will eventually drive on line tv back to free. Lets see.
I just love this logic.
The company is losing an insignificant number of online viewers who don't watch the primary airing and thus none of the higher priced ad spots, therefore they are "losing ad revenue" which means... they'll go back to giving away the product for free... to make money? | |
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| Natural Evolution? What?
Fox isn't afraid of video's "evolution". They're participating in it.
While the initial reaction may be "more piracy", over the long run, establishing a time-value for the product will allow the marketplace to settle, and the majority public will gladly pay for legal access.
Apple achieved this with the iTunes store. Pre-iTunes, piracy was rampant. When they initially launched their $.99 DRM'd songs, everyone dismissed them. Today, iTunes is a phenomenal success - as will be various App stores. | |
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| How unbelivable Childish Another word for this is extortion, if Fox doesn't give me what i want (throw it a terrible two temper tantrum) I am going to steal it.
Is it so dam important one cannot wait eight days. I often wait months for the move or show to come out on DVD or just rent it on Itunes. Some time I wait years until the price goes down or the use market.
I have serious problem with the ethically challenged, immature, narcissistic, instant gratification generation today. It used be a sign of adult hood to keep in check one urge for instant gratification. | |
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| | | Re: How unbelivable Childish said by Scatcatpdx:Another word for this is extortion, if Fox doesn't give me what i want (throw it a terrible two temper tantrum) I am going to steal it.
Is it so dam important one cannot wait eight days. I often wait months for the move or show to come out on DVD or just rent it on Itunes. Some time I wait years until the price goes down or the use market.
I have serious problem with the ethically challenged, immature, narcissistic, instant gratification generation today. It used be a sign of adult hood to keep in check one urge for instant gratification.
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| I've got little objection to extorting the entertainment industry to give me what I want. These are the same people who impose regional lockout on us and fight tooth and nail against our right to time and format shift the stuff we actually pay for.
Take my Wii:
Two of my favourite Wii games, Xenoblade and Another Code R, only came out in Japan and Europe. Even if i were to import thes games, they would not run on a stock North America Wii. Moreover, I have tons of VC content that i paid for once on the first Wii that I owned. I let my step-dad keep it when I moved out because he put a bunch of money into modding it and I wanted my little brother to have something to play. 18 months or so later, the Wii goes on sale for $120 and I grab another one. Why the fuck should I have to repay Nintendo for games I already own? The only solution to both of these issues was to softmod my Wii so as to install disk images of these games that I got from Torrent.
That's anyone seriously have any sympathy for the entertainment industry? The day regional lockout and other barriers that delay or restrict access based on where you are eliminated and consumers are able to time and format shift music, TV shows, and movies that they pay for at will is the day that I start giving a shit about the entertainment industry's profit margins. | |
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Valley Stream, NY | Here is how it works I got to hulu, is the episode there? Cool, I watch it (suck it up with those ads)
No?
Check wikipedia if new episode was released, Yes?
Visit my favorite torrent site, wait 20 minutes or less and have full HD, no ad show.
They used to have 2 or 3 day window. That was fine, but over a week later, no thanks.
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| Re: Here is how it works said by Tomek:I got to hulu, is the episode there? Cool, I watch it (suck it up with those ads)
No?
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| Then there is Itunes and Amazon. Fox is just trying to protect the movie it makes by letting Itunes/Amazon get a window to see the show, before it's streamed for "free" at Hulu/Fox.
Itunes/Amazon charges a few dollars per show/season pass. So to keep those retailers interested in carrying Fox shows, Fox may feel the need to "garden wall" it's online content for 8 days.
I'm sure the other Networks would do the same thing, if their sales numbers were good at Itunes/Amazon.
So yes the show is available OTA free, but it has ads in the show.
Yes the show is streamed for free at hulu [in 8 days] with ads, again to help pay for the show.
So maybe the show sells well on Itunes/Amazon and Fox just wants to protect it?
Producing a show isn't cheap, and the last time I checked, no one works for free.
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| Too many restrictions When I like a show, I like to keep copies of it. Why? Because too many shows go off the air and then never get released on DVD. For example, the UPN show Special Unit 2 has never been released on DVD. Neither has the one-season NBC comedy Committed.
In the past, I used to video tape these shows, but video tapes degrade over time. Now I download digital copies which I can backup to any medium I want. So even if the show is canceled and never released on DVD, I'll still have my copies.
And for the people who say it's illegal, consider this;
I can put up an antenna, record the shows OTA, feed them into the computer then edit them to remove the commercials, ending up with a commercial free AVI. None of that is against the law. But yet if I download the exact same thing off the net, suddenly it's illegal? Yeah that makes as much sense as saying that you can cut down a tree yourself, but getting someone to do it for you is illegal. | |
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