France Not Kicking People Off The Internet Fast Enough At least according to the major record labels France was one of the first countries to impose laws that require ISPs terminate the service of users who repeatedly engage in copyright infringement. Under the rules, the entertainment industry tracks offenders and submits infringement claims to a specifically-created government agency named Hadopi. Hadopi then works with ISPs to obtain personal information and send out warning letters or kick people off the Internet. By October, the industry was already making 25,000 requests per day, a daily total they'd like to see at around 50,000. However, according to the Record Labels, Hadopi isn't sending out warnings fast enough for their liking, only sending out about 2,000 per day. Techdirt correctly wonders about any kind of accuracy in the claims process when you're working at that speed: Think about how many mistakes are being made when you're sending 50,000 notices per day. Over the course of about five years, the RIAA apparently sued less than 20,000 people -- and still made a lot of mistakes. US Copyright Group got a lot of attention for accusing a few thousand people of file sharing particular movies -- and also appears to have made a lot of mistakes. Yet, here, with Hadopi, the labels are accusing 50,000 people per day, and are upset that Hadopi isn't just rubber stamping all the notices? It appears that the record labels don't care at all about what happens if they accuse totally innocent people. Of course the goal of the record labels with any of these campaigns has never been accuracy or fairness. The goal has long been to generate media coverage and create fear, something that's easier to do with the government's help. Of course this is all a rather expensive taxpayer and ISP funded game of whac a mole, where non-infringing users can easily get caught up in the wash. Meanwhile, France piracy rates remain stable or growing as people simply move to less-watched alternatives like direct downloads.
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 | | Is this really a surprise? If the labels had their way, the internet would be killed completely. It was much easier to control what people were listening too, and how much they were over charged for it, when you had to pass physical media.
And at 50k a day, it wouldn't take long to knock the entire country offline. | |
|  | | | Re: Is this really a surprise? no surprise to me.i am a musician playing in big meat hammer the oldest punk band in maine.big labels are and have been evil.they have stole from us as well as the artists.they are scum.
the last time i think i actually bought a big label album was back in the 1970's.
all the music i listen to is indie stuff and older stuff i own for years as i collect old vinyl/60's garage rock.
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Grove City, PA | France's finances are in dire straights. People are running wild in the streets over welfare, I don't see how they think they are going to get anything out of this.
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Mount Airy, MD | Just Pull the Plug on the Whole Country 50,000 termination requests a day come out to 18,250,000 a year.
According to Wiki, there are about 65.5 million people who live in all of France.
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Perhaps the record industry should invest in just cutting off all of France from the Internet, as it would take 4 years to cut the country off at 50,000 requests per day.
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"Net Neutrality" zealots - the people you can thank for your capped Internet service. | |
| | | | Re: Just Pull the Plug on the Whole Country Actually, it would take far less time than that. Remember, most Internet connections are sold to a household, not an individual. That means there are far fewer connections than people. Plus, you have to consider that not all households will have Internet access.
I'm too lazy to do the research and math here, but what you would need to do is look up the average size of a French household, divide the population by that number, then, once you know the number of households, see if you can find stats on Internet penetration, which should give you a rough idea of how many connections you're looking at. Then, consider that each connection is supposed to get three "strikes", so you have to divide the number of infringement notices by three to determine the number of disconnections.
If I had to guess, I'd say the entire country should be offline in approximately 1.5 years. That's just a completely uninformed guess, though. | |
| | | | This site ( »www.internetworldstats.com/europa.htm ) says that there are 44,625,300 Internet users in France. So, at 50,000 per day, we're talking under 2 1/2 years. All of France can be offline by mid-2013! Then the record industry can pat themselves on the back over how they stopped those nasty French pirates and move on to the next country.
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1 edit | Re: It is about fear! Hadopi rules give French day in court on 3rd strike. A judge has to order disconnect. | |
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Mullica Hill, NJ | Just bill the music industry for the service So you think someone downloaded "Hurtlocker"? for a mere 500k per IP we can send out notifications. if a government agency put that kind of pricetag on things it would certainly slow down mass requesting.
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| | | | Re: Just bill the music industry for the service I think some ISPs have tried telling the record industry that they'd have to pay for the added costs of ISPs being copyright police. The record industry responded with cash... to lawmakers to change the laws to force the ISPs to do the record industry's bidding or else.
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| | | | | Re: Just bill the music industry for the service What about the ISPs' loss of revenue due to them cutting off their very own customers?
Who the hell is going to compensate them when they can longer sustain their own business due to a lack of customers?........It should hit hard on small ISPs.
Hopefully they can then sue the damn music industry! | |
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| | Mistakes There's a simple way to deal with mistakes. For every mistake a record label makes, simply impose a fine high enough to get their attention, 50% of which goes to the user in question. Two things will happen:
1) It will be a good thing to be falsely accused
2) The record labels will back down to a reasonable enthusiasm level and take great care in choosing who to kick | |
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It is about fear!
One of the reasons our criminal justice system functions, some of the time, is because potential criminals think they may be caught.