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2009-May-12 2:40 pm
WorthlessI guess there's no real crime in France? | |
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Re: Worthlesssaid by pnh102:I guess there's no real crime in France? That's because modern France is a police state. | |
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said by pnh102:I guess there's no real crime in France? Nope, they just sit around eating/drinking and sleeping. | |
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Yeah, no crime in France.... | |
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2009-May-12 4:59 pm
Re: WorthlessI wonder how many cars you can set on fire there before you're banned for life? | |
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hmmmSo how long until France surrenders to the pirates? | |
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Re: hmmmsaid by miscDude:So how long until France surrenders to the pirates? They had a lightsaber. | |
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Sarkozy should remember the French Revolution! Unless the law includes checks and balances to protect the innocent this measure reeks of a police state. Sarkozy should remember the old saying, shave it clean with guillotine. | |
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2009-May-12 3:25 pm
I Don't Get ItHow does a country with a government that is afraid of the populace ever get to the point where such a draconian law can even be considered, nevermind voted upon? WTF. Where are the protesters? | |
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2009-May-12 4:03 pm
Re: I Don't Get Itsaid by POB:How does a country with a government that is afraid of the populace ever get to the point where such a draconian law can even be considered, nevermind voted upon? WTF. Where are the protesters? Two words. "Patriot Act". We all fell for it, we all let them get away with it, and as a result ISP's are now required to log all activity, and give the NSA access whenever they want to, all in the name of "protecting freedom", while the real terrorists have been using heavy encryption for years. Don't accuse the French of being blind, while we (both Congress and People) were as blind as a bat when the Patriot Act came to pass. Not once, but TWICE when it needed to be renewed. | |
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2009-May-12 4:07 pm
Re: I Don't Get Itsaid by maartena:said by POB:How does a country with a government that is afraid of the populace ever get to the point where such a draconian law can even be considered, nevermind voted upon? WTF. Where are the protesters? Two words. "Patriot Act". We all fell for it, we all let them get away with it, and as a result ISP's are now required to log all activity, and give the NSA access whenever they want to, all in the name of "protecting freedom", while the real terrorists have been using heavy encryption for years. Don't accuse the French of being blind, while we (both Congress and People) were as blind as a bat when the Patriot Act came to pass. Not once, but TWICE when it needed to be renewed. We did not all fall for it. | |
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Re: I Don't Get Itditto! I saw it coming from accross the northern border. | |
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said by maartena:Two words. "Patriot Act". We all fell for it, we all let them get away with it, and as a result ISP's are now required to log all activity, and give the NSA access whenever they want to, all in the name of "protecting freedom", while the real terrorists have been using heavy encryption for years. Since when does the Patriot Act apply to France. I suppose they must have passed their own version, eh. | |
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Re: I Don't Get Itsaid by POB:said by maartena:Two words. "Patriot Act". We all fell for it, we all let them get away with it, and as a result ISP's are now required to log all activity, and give the NSA access whenever they want to, all in the name of "protecting freedom", while the real terrorists have been using heavy encryption for years. Since when does the Patriot Act apply to France. I suppose they must have passed their own version, eh. before you know it every thing will be encrypted | |
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2009-May-12 3:47 pm
...The Culture Ministry hailed the outcome Tuesday as an important step toward preserving cultural diversity and the industries threatened by piracy.
Anyone have any idea how movie/music piracy affects cultural diversity? I guess the C.M. wants to suppress and control the distribution of all forms of media to preserve the diversity (ignorance)
But anyway, I think the major trouble here is the blurry line between "real" piracy and what many individuals do--
I would define "real" piracy as when illegal copies are produced and sold for money--either sold online, sold as bootlegs, sold as counterfeits, etc..
What many individuals do is copy music and movies that they might like. Granted, the rampant days of Napster in the late 90s and early 00s had to go, that would have surely spelled an end to the music and video sales/rental industries if allowed to continue unfettered.
I did not RTFA completely, but hopefully the "strikes" refer to convictions at court appearance and not to individual counts--i.e. if I download 6 songs some night, and the RIAA can prove it, does that count as 6 strikes, or 1 strike? If its the former then you might as well make this a "1 strike" law. | |
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2009-May-12 3:59 pm
All this means is.......that after 1 strike, they start hiding better. And before you know it, everyone is using encrypted forms of P2P. | |
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France is known for crazy lawsBunch of nutters... | |
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2009-May-12 4:08 pm
Re: France is known for crazy laws» www.dumblaws.com"In Blythe, CA you are not allowed to wear cowboy boots unless you own at least 2 cows". If there is any nation in the world, that is the KING of dumb laws.... it is our good ol' USA. | |
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Re: France is known for crazy laws"Tomatoes may not be used in the production of clam chowder." in MA, thought this is a smart law. | |
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Re: France is known for crazy lawssaid by Ebolla:"Tomatoes may not be used in the production of clam chowder." in MA, thought this is a smart law. That's because clam chowder with tomato sauce is consider Manhattan Style, and the people of MA have a bit of a rivalry going on there. | |
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I like Oklahoma's law on the prohibition of Whaling within the borders of the State. Since that's a huge problem and all. | |
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2009-May-12 4:06 pm
helloHello!
You have been kicked off the Internet!
Thank You. France | |
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Re: helloShouldn't that be in français? | |
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Re: hellosaid by BabyBear:Shouldn't that be in français? Its run by the government, there are working on the french version. | |
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2009-May-13 12:19 am
Re: hello"Download anothair ilegal file and I weel taunt you a secawned time!! Download a third and I weel send thee Black K-Night to sevair your eenternet connectyion!" Sorry, it's hard to write in John Cleese French Speak... | |
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2009-May-12 4:40 pm
Reuters article....In the article published by Reuters » uk.reuters.com/article/i ··· hannel=0They say the following "Under the terms of the bill, Internet pirates will receive two warnings before having their connection cut after a third offence for a period of up to one year. During that time they will have to continue paying their Internet provider." So they have to continue to PAY their "provider" even though you can't use the service??? What kind of bull crap is that??? Why/How do they expect to get the payments from someone who was suspended??? Thoughts anyone? | |
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2009-May-12 8:24 pm
Re: Reuters article....I imagine the only "payment" that will be forthcoming is the "Gift" of some nice molotov cocktails through the windows and over the fences of the offending and guilty corporations and Government agencies.
With any luck, anyway. Hopefully millions and millions of dollars of greedy corporate assets will burn in flames until the ISP's, the French Government and the copyright cartel have to back down in defeat. Course they'll probably call it terrorism and shoot to kill.... | |
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History lesson needs to be repeated in france.I guess politicians need a review of their history concerning draconian laws. When around 100k worth of people get kicked off the net it will lead to riots just like in their past.
Apparently governments are dumb, does not matter the size of ones military or police. You ask one to shoot a family member or friend the police/military falls apart as well.
Governments are there to protect their people not other interests period!
All around the world the majority are being controlled by the few causing huge unrest. They wanna keep pushing, it will break soon just look at history. | |
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Re: History lesson needs to be repeated in france.Sooner or later, the French are going to stop surrendering and get fed up with Sarkozy. If this happened in revolutionary times, he'd lose his head to the guillotine.
And as far as those being disconnected being required to pay, many will refuse to do so. What are they then going to do, arrest them or something? I mean, the ISPs that do this can't just cut off service since they've already done that. | |
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Thats socialismWas there any vote on this ? How were the people represented ? was a free market solution discussed ? Of course not. | |
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Re: Thats socialismsaid by DaveDude:Was there any vote on this ? How were the people represented ? was a free market solution discussed ? Of course not. You really didn't even read the article, did you? The French are represented the same way we are, elected officials, and the article was pretty clear from the beginning there was a vote. Who are you kidding, this is the free market solution. That was a really weak comment to tie the vote to socialism. Which country do you think has the biggest entertainment companies in the world? Biggest Music Labels: *Warner Music Group(USA) *Sony Music Entertainment(USA/Japan, headquarters in NYC) *EMI(UK) *Universal Music Group(USA) Biggest Movie Studios: *Warner Bros.(USA) *Paramount(USA) *Sony/Columbia(USA/Japan, headquarters in Culver City, CA) *20th Century Fox (USA) *Universal(USA) *Disney(USA) | |
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said by DaveDude:Was there any vote on this ? How were the people represented ? was a free market solution discussed ? Of course not. Wrong. This *is* the solution the "Free Market" came up with. Or more correctly, the non-free market, capitalist interests came up with... designed to keep the market monopolized. Ah, capitalism at it's finest. | |
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Re: Thats socialismsaid by KrK:said by DaveDude:Was there any vote on this ? How were the people represented ? was a free market solution discussed ? Of course not. Wrong. This *is* the solution the "Free Market" came up with. Or more correctly, the non-free market, capitalist interests came up with... designed to keep the market monopolized. Ah, capitalism at it's finest. I disagree this "solution" is a form of capitalization. I also dont think its a solution? The problem in america and elsewhere is there has never been a free market. So your blaming captialism for something that it is not. These people arent capitalists, there monopolist. | |
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2009-May-13 9:37 am
Re: Thats socialismsaid by DaveDude:I disagree this "solution" is a form of capitalization. I also dont think its a solution? The problem in america and elsewhere is there has never been a free market. So your blaming captialism for something that it is not. These people arent capitalists, there monopolist. Uhh... really. So the capitalists didn't push this as the solution.... and monopolists aren't capitalists. Are you joking? | |
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FranceBah-ha-ha-ha-ha. Idiots. How many French grannies are going to get kicked off line? | |
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2009-May-12 6:59 pm
Whos in charge of monitoring?OK..did the French even think of WHO's going to monitor all the internet connections for piracy? Are they just going to believe the record company's again? Are they going to deep packet inspect everyone's traffic? Are they going to give entertainment company's Police type authority to confiscate computers? How is someone to fight an accusation?
Just questions is all I have.
..glad the French are going ahead and proving for us that its a stupid idea. | |
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Re: Whos in charge of monitoring?said by Maxxxt:OK..did the French even think of WHO's going to monitor all the internet connections for piracy? Even more importantly: are the French going to attempt to impose this law on the Corsicans? What a courageous decision! Perhaps they should have a talk with real estate developers whose project were "unpopular" with the Corsicans and find out what their experiences were with the Corsican reaction to Things They Don't Like. Good luck with that one... | |
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2009-May-12 7:32 pm
Piracy...And what about when you view a video that you got from a website like say youtube...? What then, if its under copyright and someone uploaded it anyway... Is the French government going to give you a strike for that. What about a copyrighted picture that say someone used on a website, then someone else took it and put it on theirs. Strike 2 because you saw it. And then you go back to youtube lets say, and you click on something, oh and it happens to be a leaked song. Oh no, that's strike 3!! No Internet for you!!! | |
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2009-May-12 8:19 pm
So all that overhead and red tape and bureaucracy....Will be paid for how?
OH I know. By raising taxes on the people that will "benefit" from the enforcement! IE you'll be prosecuted and know your own money was used to do so.
This is the merging of Government Authority with Corporate Greed--- a match made in hell if ever there was one.
Imagine a mandate a company has, with the goal of making and increasing profits, but wielding the power of "law enforcement" to make sure it happens. If that's not a recipe for abuse, I don't know what is. | |
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2009-May-13 6:59 am
stop buying there shitstop buying there shit cut out all of it. then what do they do cry that no one wants there crappy music and internet hit them where it hurts | |
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2009-May-14 8:47 am
Re: France & MoneyFollow the money trail. I wonder if campaign donations to politicians works the same in the France as it does in the U.S. Campaign money for political favors. If it is true than I'd say the RIAA is bankrolling lot of French politicians to get this bill passed. | |
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