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Snohomish, WA
kudos:3
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| Not really unreasonable... "AT&T insists they simply want to see PSTN regulations modernized for an all IP age"
Of course they want out of a situation where expensive upgrades or even maintaince advantages line sharing compeitors more than themselves.
people need to get over the "years of tax breaks" which were part of the payments to the company for meeting gov't demands...universal service...hardened networks for gov't and military and "certain" institutional intelligence systems.
In fact PSTN regulations must be updated to include all the different last mile solution methods and providers to assure at least one is properly compensated for providing a robust, modern, and capable connection to every home (most homes, those that CHOOSE to live off the grid must provide their own solution at their own expense)= true universal service.
The same regulators can assure equalized cost sharing among users and fair rate setting by service providers. | |
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| Re: Not really unreasonable... It's a joke and this just makes the case for muni or state FTTH more credible and even necessary.
With the exception of shareholders and c-level management, the private sector (status quo) in these areas has been nothing but a huge failure for the American people and our progress and prosperity. | |
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| Re: Not really unreasonable... Why do you need munis or the gov't in general providing it? Why not create a Co-Op and do it yourself? Socialism doesn't work for everything, including Internet. It is NOT a required utility nor is the TV. Hell Phone isn't either. There are plenty that do without this day. | |
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1 edit | Re: Not really unreasonable... Typically seniors, tin foil or doomsday preper types, or folks out in rural America do not utilize the internet today.
said by TBusiness:Socialism doesn't work for everything, including Internet. Based on what example though? Unfortunately, the gut-feelings of Glen Beck, faux news, Alex Jones and Rush do not count as legitimate quantifiable examples. | |
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join:2010-03-26
Rosston, TX
kudos:5 | Re: Not really unreasonable... said by Telco:Typically seniors, ..... or folks out in rural America do not utilize the internet today.
As a WISP operator, I can tell you that you are very mistaken. | |
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| | | | | | said by Telco:Typically seniors, tin foil or doomsday preper types, or folks out in rural America do not utilize the internet today.
said by TBusiness:Socialism doesn't work for everything, including Internet. Based on what example though? Unfortunately, the gut-feelings of Glen Beck, faux news, Alex Jones and Rush do not count as legitimate quantifiable examples. Are you serious? I live out in a rural area of the metro Atlanta area, and I can assure you that many people out here, including myself, access the Internet, and do so quite a lot. The problem is that most people around me don't have access to DSL/Uverse, cable Internet, or any other, reasonably priced, Internet access. I have to rely on Verizon LTE, and my girlfriend works for AT&T and requires internet access, at home, for her job.
She is 39 and I am 33. While we are still young, I can tell you that many "seniors" access the Internet, however they can, quite often. AT&T doesn't give a shit about any of us out here, and our fifty(plus) year old POTS network is on its way to utter failure. So, believe that AT&T needs to be split up again, or have more harsh regulation placed upon it.
We have a ton of fiber that has been laid around our county, but nothing has been, or apparently will be, done with it. The cable digging equipment was out here, working nonstop, three,or so, years ago. A lot of us were hopeful that some service option as coming, but it was probably AT&T laying fiber for future towers, or future tower upgrades.
I love living where I do. I have a lot of land, and privacy. At this point, I, just like there's like me, ahold be able to retain our lives and property and enjoy what those in slightly more populated areas have been enjoying for 20, or so years. We should also seeing the end of people trying to claim that those of us in rural areas are stupid, imbred, and/or not deserving or interested in Internet service. | |
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:7 | said by TBusiness:Why not create a Co-Op and do it yourself? Socialism doesn't work for everything, including Internet.
I find it amusing that you suggest creating a co-op, but then say socialism might not work. A co-op can be considered a form of socialism where no one individual or body owns property, but is instead controlled by the group. | |
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| | tshirtPremium,MVM
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:3 | So raise money and start your own service.
To say "They suck, SOMEBODY should do better"
is a cop out(old school term, I know)
YOU just aren't trying hard enough. | |
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join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5 |  What about state regulation of POTS?
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| | | You mean like AT&T never ending lobbying and court battles to block muni FTTH. | |
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Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | Re: What about state regulation of POTS? Unless I misread the status, this never passed the House, and was never signed in to law.
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| | | | | Re: What about state regulation of POTS? There have been reports on the PUC site that it was passed into law. I'm searching for it now. It went as far as even pulling standards from any customer that "bundled" services. | |
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join:2010-10-16
Springfield, MA
·Comcast
 ·Verizon Broadban..
| PSTN Sunset They should be allowed to shut down the PSTN and force their customers onto fiber networks. One of the reasons that Verizon is reluctant to upgrade to FiOS is that many consumers (mostly middle aged and elderly) opt to remain on the PSTN/DSL even though their house is passed by FiOS.
If Verizon were to pass my house with FiOS, I would kick Comcast to the curb in a heartbeat. And I would pay the hourly installation charge as my house is a townhouse duplex (which they consider an MDU/custom install but I would do the inside wiring myself).
I think the time has come to shut down the PSTN. I have my home phone through Comcast (mainly because the alarm system requires a phone line and for E911).
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| | | Re: PSTN Sunset They don't want to shut down PSTN and migrate their users to fiber networks. AT&T doesn't HAVE a fiber network. They want those people to go to Wireless, because they make more money off of it. | |
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| Re: PSTN Sunset actually AT&T does have a FTTH network. Project LightSpeed aka U-Verse has a solid FTTH network in the original Ameritech region of the company. There was a powerpoint on this a while back with Ed talking about it and a major rebuild happened in Carlton MI which is just out side Monroe- Your only option for phone and Internet via landline is AT&T U-verse. WI has build outs as well. | |
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| |  NormanSPremium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
kudos:9
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| said by TheRogueX:They don't want to shut down PSTN and migrate their users to fiber networks. AT&T doesn't HAVE a fiber network.
Eh? They do have FTTP in some parts of San Jose, California. But they don't allow use of the full capability.
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| | | | | Re: PSTN Sunset only 80 MB to the ONT... don't ask how I know.......also, the FTTP product is NOT ready for pimetime....there is no document that covers MDU installs... single family?.. fine.. but MDU geenfield developments in dense urban areas(MDU's) are a f..in nightmare.... | |
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join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
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| Re: PSTN Sunset said by ryder9:only 80 MB to the ONT... don't ask how I know.......also, the FTTP product is NOT ready for pimetime....
Sounds about right for AT&T FTTP. I think they do it just for bragging rights; but, as currently deployed, nothing like Verizon's FiOS, or Google, Paxio, or Sonic.net fiber.
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kudos:5 | said by IowaCowboy:They should be allowed to shut down the PSTN and force their customers onto fiber networks. One of the reasons that Verizon is reluctant to upgrade to FiOS is that many consumers (mostly middle aged and elderly) opt to remain on the PSTN/DSL even though their house is passed by FiOS.
But is it OK by you that they abandon copper landlines if they offer no fiber connection to replace it? That is, leave a customer with zero landline option where cable doesn't have service.
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| | | | Re: PSTN Sunset Wouldn't the government have to force the telco for fiber deployment to happen? | |
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| | IowaCowboyWant to go back to IowaPremium
join:2010-10-16
Springfield, MA Reviews:
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| said by Linklist:said by IowaCowboy:They should be allowed to shut down the PSTN and force their customers onto fiber networks. One of the reasons that Verizon is reluctant to upgrade to FiOS is that many consumers (mostly middle aged and elderly) opt to remain on the PSTN/DSL even though their house is passed by FiOS.
But is it OK by you that they abandon copper landlines if they offer no fiber connection to replace it? That is, leave a customer with zero landline option where cable doesn't have service. Or at least shut down copper networks where the telco offers equal or better service passing those residences (such as U-Verse or FiOS).
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| | | | | Re: PSTN Sunset said by IowaCowboy:said by Linklist:said by IowaCowboy:They should be allowed to shut down the PSTN and force their customers onto fiber networks. One of the reasons that Verizon is reluctant to upgrade to FiOS is that many consumers (mostly middle aged and elderly) opt to remain on the PSTN/DSL even though their house is passed by FiOS.
But is it OK by you that they abandon copper landlines if they offer no fiber connection to replace it? That is, leave a customer with zero landline option where cable doesn't have service. Or at least shut down copper networks where the telco offers equal or better service passing those residences (such as U-Verse or FiOS). there is nothing as reliable as POTS, had service on my landline while internet was down for 10 days | |
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Greenwood Springs, MS | Re: PSTN Sunset Or you could be like us. The phone guy uses our line to make test calls at the RT. (have heard him on the line before)....Wonderful when he forgets to plug it back in. Last outage was 18 hours and the only way we got it back then was to request an escalation because we have a handicapped person in the house with no other reliable service to call for emergencies. | |
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join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO | Isn't uverse copper too? VDSL? | |
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| | | | | | Re: PSTN Sunset U-Verse is a brand for IP-DSL, VDSL and FTTH via AT&T. | |
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join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
kudos:9 Reviews:
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| said by me1212:Isn't uverse copper too? VDSL?
It is a mix. Some FTTP (~1%). The rest either ADSL2+ (IP-DSL), or VDSL (IP-DSL/IPTV).
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| | | NormanSPremium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
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| said by IowaCowboy:Or at least shut down copper networks where the telco offers equal or better service passing those residences (such as U-Verse or FiOS).
99% of U-verse requires last mile copper; even if the customer is using U-verse voice (VOIP).
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| | | said by IowaCowboy:They should be allowed to shut down the PSTN and force their customers onto fiber networks. One of the reasons that Verizon is reluctant to upgrade to FiOS is that many consumers (mostly middle aged and elderly) opt to remain on the PSTN/DSL even though their house is passed by FiOS.
If Verizon were to pass my house with FiOS, I would kick Comcast to the curb in a heartbeat. And I would pay the hourly installation charge as my house is a townhouse duplex (which they consider an MDU/custom install but I would do the inside wiring myself).
I think the time has come to shut down the PSTN. I have my home phone through Comcast (mainly because the alarm system requires a phone line and for E911).
Disagree 100 percent, I will fight to keep copper and POTS until the day I expire. Have had to many expierences when bad weather came through and internet was down for up to 10 days where the POTS line worked like a champ during that period. Cell phone service was even more pathetic during that period, got to the point I heard "I am Sorry but we cannot complete the call as dialed"
In my neighborhood the term "Fiber" is related to what you had for breakfeast and not tele-communications - no I do not have DSL, have 100MB cable internet - and that is about as reliable as a Ford Edsel most of the time | |
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Is this a compliment for cable internet? In it's day, the Ford Edsel was reliable and technologically advanced. It simply came in a package that was generally perceived as ugly.
edit - furthur research on my part show the Edsel did have some reliability problems, but nothing out of line with other cars from the 50's.
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| | | | Re: PSTN Sunset And before the FCC was given the power to regulate the phone system, it was NOT regulated by them. The FCC was created for air-waves - by the radio stations - aka Clear Channel. | |
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| | | | | Re: PSTN Sunset The FCC was created to do the job congress didnt want to do directly themselves because they are way to busy and being legally bribed through lobbying and worrying about scratching the backs of their business friends.
It should be modified to regulate ALL communications whether airwaves or wired regardless of method because ultimately congress is responsible for that and being they dont want to do it themselves they still need to have in place the regulating body to do so for them. And while they are at it, congress needs to ball up and give the agency the full authority to impose punishment on companies just as congress would if they were actually the ones regulating it.
If they want to pass of responsibility, then pass it off and stop this half-baked method they currently utilize. | |
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| Re: PSTN Sunset The FCC had the chance to regulate the Internet, back during Brand X. At that time they decided that the Internet was an Information Service and NOT a communications service. Thus is why you do not see company XXX offering cable internet on Charter or anyone else.
The FCC screwed up and should be gutted and redone. And leave the phone and Internet out of it, especially with the actual POTS slowly going away. We do not need regulation on the Internet and it taxed to high hell like other services. | |
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| | insane to gut pots regulations We have all seen how unreliable IP phone services are. I wouldn't bet my life on IP phone! | |
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| | | Re: insane to gut pots regulations said by nonamesleft:We have all seen how unreliable IP phone services are. I wouldn't bet my life on IP phone!
How true | |
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|  neuronbobTHERE ARE NO SHORT CUTS. NONE.
join:2000-03-30
Bedford, OH | Too true. I've cut back my PSTN line to just the basics.....but them's some reliable basics in an emergency. In my area, AT&T stopped its Project Pronto some time ago. Even though my house is only 10 years old, I can't get DSL....but the older houses next door can.
I'm on cable for Internet access....though if there were a viable FIOS solution I'd jump ship in a heartbeat.
It will never happen here, however.
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join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO | Depends on where you live. Back when my family moved in to our current house the phone was out for at least 48 hours a month, according to our neighbours it hasn't improved much. Where as with our IP based phone solution we have no, we've had much better service stability. Sure it took a bit of technological know how to set it up but it was worth it. | |
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| Re: insane to gut pots regulations said by me1212:Depends on where you live. Back when my family moved in to our current house the phone was out for at least 48 hours a month, according to our neighbours it hasn't improved much. Where as with our IP based phone solution we have no, we've had much better service stability. Sure it took a bit of technological know how to set it up but it was worth it.
I use to have Callcentric, I got scairt off when they were having problems. | |
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| | De-regulate ?? Where is ATT and Verizon going to run their FIOS lines etc if the PUBLIC decides that no more private use of PUBLIC right of ways such as surface poles, street level refrigerator boxes etc. Does ATT own the poles the land on which they and all their surface and below surface equipment reside? Let's see how cheap it is to buy the land and re-string infrastructure. I'm not saying that ATT isn't allowed to make a profit but to be allowed free reign is ludicrous. I waste my breath and time though because ATT already is paying off the the pimps and whores in Washington to make this happen! | |
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| Re: De-regulate ?? The public you mean the state? The state would decide what happens or the local gov't not anyone else. Also the poles are either owned by the telco or the power company. And if you take away the rights to use the ROW AT&T could go to the court and just start taking land from you very easily. After all AT&T has more money than you do to fight. | |
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| NormanSPremium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
kudos:9 Reviews:
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| said by Twaddle :Where is ATT and Verizon going to run their FIOS lines etc if the PUBLIC decides that no more private use of PUBLIC right of ways such as surface poles, street level refrigerator boxes etc.
That would also shut down electric (PG&E, an investor-owned private electric company) owns most of the poles, here. And signal controlled intersections; those "lawn refrigerators" aren't as intrusive as the signal light control boxes.
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join:2009-07-08
New Orleans, LA | AT&T wants the government OUT OF THEIR LIVES! Oh, except when the government helps them out
"In an example of corporate welfare at its finest, AT&T effectively paid no federal taxes in 2011. In fact, thanks to lucrative incentives and corporate subsidies, the telecommunications company walked away with a giant taxpayer-subsidized $420 million refund." »stopthecap.com/2012/08/16/at-ach···-refund/ | |
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|  gaforcesUnited We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA
1 edit | Re: AT&T wants the government OUT OF THEIR LIVES! They are afraid that the govt will declare internet access an essential service, like many countrys are doing, and regulate them to provide service to areas they dont want to be in with service levels above what they currently offer in many areas.
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| | VanPremium
join:2009-07-08
New Orleans, LA | Re: AT&T wants the government OUT OF THEIR LIVES! You mean, the government would force them to actually offer decent service to those that they currently offer?
And force AT&T to actually spend a little to provide service to others.....while being given billions in federal money each year?
Poor guys | |
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| | | | This will NEVER happen here. The FCC is too busy dealing with their media efforts and tied up too much in court to even worry. | |
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| neuronbobTHERE ARE NO SHORT CUTS. NONE.
join:2000-03-30
Bedford, OH | If AT&T wants deregulation, then it needs to stop accepting my taxpayer dollars. End of story.
Shouldn't this be part of the spending debate anyway? Companies taking my money via taxes and not spending it in a way beneficial to taxpayers? SCREW THAT.
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join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
kudos:9 Reviews:
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1 edit | Re: AT&T wants the government OUT OF THEIR LIVES! said by neuronbob:If AT&T wants deregulation, then it needs to stop accepting my taxpayer dollars. End of story.
Shouldn't you also stop accepting taxpayer dollars? Next time you file an income tax return, don't take advantage of those lucrative loopholes.
Okay, that was just hyperbolic sarcasm. AT&T isn't cashing any government checks. But the government could tighten up corporate tax loopholes, if they weren't beholden to corporate political contributions.
Should have read a posted link. 
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join:2004-04-24
Pompano Beach, FL Reviews:
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·Speakeasy
| AT&T is in for a rude awakening.. I migrated to a completely wireless setup early last year.
Ported my Land Line to a prepaid cell phone Bluetooth-ed to my existing wired phones.
So far my costs to replace my 30$/mo no frills POTS have been on average $10/mo, plus I get caller ID and Call waiting(another $10) for free.
Same goes for data.. I was paying $55/mo for DSL. But at&t crippled that, so I went wireless on that as well. Saved another stack of money.
It's not a perfect solution, limited 4G Data, but I didn't use that much aDSL anyway, plus I've paid for all my upfront costs in about 5 months. The resulting 60$ monthly savings is just music to my ears.
In a nutshell, At&t/Verizon is in for a rude awakening, as long as their is some sort of competition. (DBS Sat's, Cable, other wireless providers(Sprint/T-mobile), OTA).
These formerly wired incumbents are being lined up for big fall (bankruptcy) as their wireless networking advantages fade and they are forced to compete on services and price without their former guaranteed market subsidies.. | |
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| | | Re: AT&T is in for a rude awakening.. If you don't use the internet much it is okay. Software updates alone would drive me way over the caps. | |
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join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC | AT&T and Verizon are buying up spectrum... with wires, it's at least possible to run new ones, but you can't create a wireless service without spectrum. Lightsquared was going to lease a bunch of spectrum to new competitors, but they took a huge risk on cheap near-GPS spectrum and got burned.
Google tried to get conditions attached to new spectrum leases by bluffing $5 billion dollars, but that only goes so far when Powell was the chairman. | |
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| | | | Re: AT&T is in for a rude awakening.. You could build out the wireless without buying the spectrum. You could even do what Clear did before, and lease it. If you know what you're doing a wireless network would work in most cities. | |
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join:2007-03-10
Bon Aqua, TN
kudos:1 Reviews:
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| get rid If they shut down an area, I would like em to have to at least attempt to sell it to another provider that might take it up.. Not just sit on it and let the people in the area suffer.. I don't see why this would be a problem for areas they have yet to even upgrade to dsl being they foresee it as unprofitable... | |
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| What happens to fiber to the curb?!? I live in a rural subdivision that is serviced by fiber to the curb. AT&T has sat on its cheap ass and refused to upgrade the system here leaving us with 6 mb dsl as the top offering. Cable isn't available either. I find it hard to believe that AT&T isn't capable of profiting in this subdivision with upgrades being that there would be no competition among 50+ homes. If they shut us off I won't ever use anything attached to their name again.
BTW, I have asked David with AT&T direct support if he knows what the plans are and was simply ignored. Typical AT&T support! | |
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| | Kicked AT&T copper to the curb years ago. High prices, slow DSL speeds not due to length from RT but it's as fast as they sell pushed me to cable for Internet and phone. Would be willing to give U-Verse a chance but they decided to stop rollout on the other side of the street for our development. | |
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| ATT = Hypocrites said by Van:Oh, except when the government helps them
out
"In an example of corporate welfare at its finest, AT&T effectively paid no federal taxes in 2011. In fact, thanks to lucrative incentives and corporate subsidies, the telecommunications company walked away with a giant taxpayer-subsidized $420 million refund." »stopthecap.com/2012/08/16/at-ach···-refund/
Exactly !
It's sickening to see these loaded companies with CEOs like
Randall Stephenson making out like a bandit, willing to accept money from folks barely getting by in the real world economy, while they likely spend some of that taxpayer money on lobbyists that are trying to kill the last remaining consumer protections.
I don't disagree with progess, BUT plain old telephone lines is what ATT has and they should be forced to maintain that network as long as they are getting taxpayer funding.
Wireless is IMPRACTICAL for ordinary consumers because it is TOO expensive for what one gets, and it still isn't as reliable as the old copper land lines. | |
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| Re: ATT = Hypocrites the tax payer funding can be moved to AT&T Mobility as well. The same as Sprint has done and others. POTS is on the way out though and people need to realize it. They'll start letting areas rot to the point where you won't use service and they'll offload them to others that want them. And too expensive? $45 for unlimited everything??? I don't see how that is expensive on wireless.
Also many others don't pay taxes either but nobody else complains about them. | |
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| Re: ATT = Hypocrites I don't need "unlimited" everything.
Contrary to the belief of executive manglement I have a budget and 45$ IS TOO MUCH and many other consumers agree.
Just because these companies want to give you more stuff you DON'T WANT OR NEED doesn't make it a better value. It is still more than I and others want to pay.
You need to get that concept through your head. | |
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| | | |  ShadowMastrMaster Of All Shadows
join:2001-09-01
Fort Pierce, FL | Re: ATT = Hypocrites said by horseathalt7:I don't need "unlimited" everything.
Contrary to the belief of executive manglement I have a budget and 45$ IS TOO MUCH and many other consumers agree.
Just because these companies want to give you more stuff you DON'T WANT OR NEED doesn't make it a better value. It is still more than I and others want to pay.
You need to get that concept through your head.
+1 to you bro..... all this 'value added' nonsense is just that... nonsense. It only makes sense to ATT, offering stuff that costs them nothing, or knowing you won't use it anyway just to add 'perceived value'.
I still have just a lil ole dumb phone, cuz if I want to access the web while out and about, well..... my laptop has a much bigger screen that any other type of mobile device, and I only need one. I don't need a 'smart' phone just for of all the useless apps they push, and a tablet to watch video cuz my 'smart' phone screen is too small, or stream Pandora or whatever 24 hours a day.... I could go on..... but ya'll get the gist....
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| carrot and stick.. it is likely Verizon will get the go-ahead to shut down some copper lines where they have FTTP lines... AT&T has less than 5% of it's entire residential customer base (wireline) on fiber.
If AT&T wants in on pstn shut-down they have to invest in replacing it with something else.. so they'll have to pick a poison... coax or fiber to the premise..
also, well past time for the fed to nudge AT&T to deploy more fiber... there are already thousands of nodes wired with fiber.. there really isn't much more point in letting it go to waste.. serving 25mbits a pop... | |
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| | Luddite Here For all the IP fanboys. What happens to all those with fax machines and or alarm systems that need POTS? | |
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| | | Re: Luddite Here You can run them through a voip service. Even Magicjack. | |
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join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA | If regulated PSTN goes away, USF should go away too! If the regulated Public Switched Telephone Network goes away only a corrupt government would keep the Universal Service Fund and any other telecommunications subsidies. AT&T and Verizon should also be forbidden from receiving any tax breaks or corporate welfare. They should also be required to face any and all competition without any high barriers to entry and even including competition from municipal governments. Once the de-regulation takes place it should also be made absolutely clear that AT&T and Verizon will have the right to fail with no bailouts and no guarantees of profits from the people or our government. | |
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 linicxCaveat EmptorPremium
join:2002-12-03
United State
·CenturyLink
| You can add You can add CenturyLink to the growing list no one is talking about. CL disconnected rural plants first and left us with .512 Mbps to sere 10K digital phones in the county. It reminds me of that Senator from Utah, I think it was Hatch, who exclaimed. "Raising minimum wage was unnecessary as any man could support a family and live comfortably on $3.00 per hour."
The result is a disaster. DSL over POTS to a conversion boxes is plagued by connectivity issues, high prices, and too many excuses to not fix it. IF CL did it would have to upgrade plants and pass on another increase for another half-*** system that won't work any better. It has not changed for the better in years. Every upgrade is a downgrade that is worse than what I had six years ago.
The game plan is to drop POTS nationwide, provide the least service for the greatest profit. Places like LV and Dallas get 25/25 while it brags that it provides 100Gbps to Paris and London. It forgets to mention the .512 up to rural -- if you are one of the very lucky buyers.
The telcos are heartless bastards who would rather watch rural customers die than provide them with a phone that is reliable in an emergency. Think of the advantage: Less linemen and service people. No more trouble calls 70 miles from the office they closed. Our regional office is 150 miles one-way. They closed three offices in two years.
Customers are not supposed to notice or complain when your call to 911 is dropped and when you call back "... not available, try again later."
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| | | Re: You can add AT&T told me back in December that DSL is going away in my area and forced me to switch to UVerse.
There has been a few AT&T trucks around here at the 2 boxes to North East and to the South of my residence.
I've stopped by and spoke with them on 4 different occasions on 4 different days, each time it was a different Tech.
They all told me that DSL is not going away in my area and that I didn't have to switch to UVerse to avoid losing internet service.
So once again AT&T lied to me again! | |
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| | linicxCaveat EmptorPremium
join:2002-12-03
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·CenturyLink
| Re: You can add The problem in all large corporations is the right hand does not know what the left is doing. DSL is not going way.
What is going away, or I should say, what AT&T and the other national telco are trying to do is drop the old POTS phone line that requires a pair of copper wires from the main office to the home. If they are successful, then the copper line will carry the digital signal to a D-A converter box. At this point the digital signal is converted to analog from the box to the house where part of the uplink speed is used for the digital telephone.
The advantage is you get a faster download speed and it costs telco less money to provide internet and phone. How fast or how well it works is not in your control. It is dictated by the equipment used by telco, and the equipment provided to you at your home by your phone company. I suspect the UVerse box is what holds the D-A converter for several customers; I've never seen one. If this is the case, you are not losing Internet, you are gaining a digital phone.
It is happening all over the country from coast to coast. The question is whether or not FCC will let them bypass federal law that requires them to provide telephone service to the most remote areas in the country.
Right now it is a bumpy ride, but it should improve in the next few months.
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