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| Another problem... ISPs should have remained "dumb pipes". How about blocking access to sites that tell lies or misinform the public?
Then you can block the sites with color schematics you don't like. It will be great, we'll have a WWW full of 404 pages.
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| Re: Another problem... said by S_engineer  :How about blocking access to sites that tell lies or misinform the public? if($TLD == ".gov") block(); | |
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| Well lets see... I can easily come up with a list of Ad Servers that qualify for a "Ban" like this.... Could make quite a dent in the spam load on the Net too..  | |
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| The United Nations calls human trafficking the "world's fastest growing criminal business" and the International Organization for Migration (IOM) estimates that as many as two million women and children are trafficked around the world each year in a business worth $10 billion.
Unfortunately, wherever you have poverty and war, you have people desperate and willing to do anything. Maybe instead of going after ISPS, we should be working to help the people who are at risk of becoming victims. That's too difficult... so let's pretend blocking it (out of site out of mind) works. | |
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| Re: "input from users"? said by Placebo :Does anyone really think that the block sites will be limited to child porn, "racial hatred" and "content linked to terrorism"? Absolutely... but remember just about anything ever said on the internet could be linked by some to Porn, Racial Hatred, or Terrorism, so....
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| Please protect me from the internets This sounds like it will end up being a giant, government funded parental control application. Every religious nut or overzealous "Patriot" will tag anything they don't like or agree with as either Offensive or Terrorism.
If we had this in the US it would be the end of the internet as we know it.
I do not need your protection, and neither do my kids. If my kid ends up in danger or trouble on the internet it will be because I have failed as a parent. | |
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Old Bridge, NJ | Re: Please protect me from the internets Sorry, I know this is France and not the US we're talking about. But its the general concept that gets me pissed no matter where its put into practice. I'm sure many French people would agree. | |
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| Re: Please protect me from the internets Sorry, I did not miss it. The 2 situations are different. The US ISP's are volunteering to block these websites. They are not being ordered to by the Government.
Also the US ISP's are not taking arbitrary suggestions from end users like in France.
Lastly the US ISPs are not blocking sites tagged as "Terrorism"
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| Re: Please protect me from the internets said by bngdup :Sorry, I did not miss it. The 2 situations are different. The US ISP's are volunteering to block these websites. They are not being ordered to by the Government. Also the US ISP's are not taking arbitrary suggestions from end users like in France. The end result is the same whether it is "ordered" by the government or ISPs volunteer.
said by bngdup :Lastly the US ISPs are not blocking sites tagged as "Terrorism" Yet. Give it time. If the real objective was to apprehend kiddie porn purveyors, then why not go after the source instead of wholesale blocking? Pedophiles trade porn via Usenet groups and email. Seems to me that ISP's shouldn't even be in the business of enforcing the law. Isn't that what we have the NSA/FBI and other federal agencies for? | |
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| Re: Please protect me from the internets said by SilverSurfer :The end result is the same whether it is "ordered" by the government or ISPs volunteer. No, the 2 are nothing alike. When the government does it, it ultimately is at the point of a gun; you can go elsewhere when private industry does it.
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| Further Problems Recently the Pakistani government has asked the EU to ban free speech that is critical of Islam. I wonder how long it will take for the EU to capitulate (pardon the pun) and impose such a restriction.
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| Re: Further Problems It wont take long. That actress chick just got convicted in France for making racist remarks (how is that a crime?) when all she did was speak her mind on Islam. Freedeom of speech in th EU? I dont think so, the only place in the world with real freedom of speech is the US. | |
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| Damn  I suppose this means that the average Frenchman will no longer be able to order his toilet paper Korans online anymore.
Oh damn I suppose all of the sites devoted to food made from hogs, rabbits, and other unclean animals will be removed as well.
No wait French chefs will demand all McDonald's, and other fast food sites be band as being anti-French.
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| Re: Further Problems said by dispatcher21 :Freedeom of speech in th EU? I dont think so, the only place in the world with real freedom of speech is the US. In many regards, the liberals who have been running the show in Europe have become "so open-minded that their brains have fallen out." Instead of expecting immigrants to assimilate to Western values that have been prevalent on the continent for the past 500 years, they have been moving backwards trying to get everyone else to accommodate a fast-growing minority of people who behave like it is still the 7th century.
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| Re: Further Problems Liberals running Europe? Is this as opposed to the heavy Handed Republicans who are sticking are freedoms back to the stone ages with things like the:
Patriot Act Removing our rights
Military Commission Act which doesn't allow access to courts (I was under the impression that people always had their day in court via the Constitution)
NSA wiretapping
Gay Marriage ban and the church DICTATING to people their views on others.
Abortion laws that prevent a WOMAN from making a choice about HER OWN BODY.
So humm.. Those damn liberals seem mild to those DAMN MORONS running things here. | |
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| Re: Further Problems said by jc100 :Patriot Act Removing our rights I've always agreed with you here. That's why I believe that the billions of people now imprisoned by the current regime for engaging in speech that has been banned by the Patriot Act should be pardoned and released immediately.
said by jc100 :Military Commission Act which doesn't allow access to courts (I was under the impression that people always had their day in court via the Constitution) You're right. Every single US citizen being held in secret prisons, as well as Club Gitmo, should immediately have their cases handed into the civilian court system immediately.
said by jc100 :NSA wiretapping Thankfully the Democrat congress put a stop to that. We no longer have to worry about NSA wiretaps now.
said by jc100 :Gay Marriage ban and the church DICTATING to people their views on others. I know! How dare people vote their beliefs... they should all be shot!
said by jc100 :Abortion laws that prevent a WOMAN from making a choice about HER OWN BODY. Huh? Abortion is legal in all 57 states.
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| Re: Further Problems Listen sarcastic Nancy, you need to get that gerbil out of your proverbial ass and stop acting like a child with your replies. While the U.S. has generally not imprisoned people for free speech, it actually has. Do you remember the case where CNN reporters went to jail for failing to give their source to the Bush administration? I guess your sarcasm touched on a real issue. However, the most we are seeing is our rights being taken down one at a time. At this rate, I wouldn't put it past this government to actually start using such heavy handed techniques. After all, we are facing warrantless wiretaps and further scrutiny into our lives without oversight.
"Thankfully the Democrat congress put a stop to that. We no longer have to worry about NSA wiretaps now."
Well yes and no. So far they have not given the Telecom's immunity. Through your sarcasm, you probably don't appreciate that. However, I wish they'd actually restore America and get rid of the Patriot Act.
"I know! How dare people vote their beliefs... they should all be shot!"
I'll vote my belief that people with your ignorance and bias should be forced into hard labor. It's my belief and as long as I get enough people to vote with me, that makes it right?
"Huh? Abortion is legal in all 57 states."
57???? I'm not even nit picking your grammar but last I checked there are 50. If you want to count territories, then you have Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Virgin Island. You might want to reassess your point. The words FAIL come into mind here. | |
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| Re: Further Problems said by jc100 :Listen sarcastic Nancy, you need to get that gerbil out of your proverbial ass and stop acting like a child with your replies. Why? Everything you said is 100% true. I am simply reiterating your factually correct points.
said by jc100 :57???? I'm not even nit picking your grammar but last I checked there are 50. This guy would disagree with you.
»www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws
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| Re: Further Problems ..... He must have gone to that same wonderful school Bush attended... My only defense for his ignorant comment is he looked tired and fatigued. He said 50 first and then stuttered and kind of mutters. I'd venture to guess he knows there are 50, but was worn down and his brain had a lapse. We all have those days. You got one example, claps. Want me to post about 100 of Bush's? The one being how he hadn't heard gas would reach 4 dollars (now avg of 4.02 nationally)by spring. What about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction? What about mission accomplished? See, there;s something called a one time stupid comment and a lifelong of ignorance. We all have our bad days. I think for Most Americans, that began the day Bush got office.
Oh, just wondering, this comment of Obama's pales in comparison to Mcain's speech about preserving American's rights and voting against immunity. All the next while, he staff's himself with a team of teclo executives and now suddenly had a revelation that American's no longer need said protection. I'll pick Obama over him any day. | |
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| Re: Further Problems said by jc100 :..... He must have gone to that same wonderful school Bush attended... Hey of Obamessiah says it it must be true.
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| Re: Further Problems And if Bush or Mcain says it, we all know it's not =). Don't get me wrong, that was a pretty dumb comment, but everyone gets a few. Bush has used those few and then some. So back to the point, address my other issues. This is a side note. So the guy made a dumb comment, I'm sure it wont be his first or last. We all have those times and periods. At least for his dumb comments, we aren't put in harms way. | |
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| Here are the people you want to give Constitution rights too even though they do not have any rights to then. They are not citizens they are terrorist thugs. We heard very little about these murdered and incinerated Americans in Iraq where were their Consitutional Rights.
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| Re: Further Problems Yet we give rights to:
Timothy McVeigh who murdered a few hundred and injured serveral hundred more.
Charles Manson
Unibomber
Serial Killers
Child Rapists
Manuel Norega (Who we helped and allow sell drugs and also oppress his own people... until he decided not to help us any longer)....
And MOST IMPORTANTLY...
The Nazis who murdered 6 million people
ETC ETC...
See this is where logic fails you. It doesn't matter the monster you put on trial, just the fact he or she gets a fair one. Are you saying the U.S. should not hold themselves to a higher regard and we should act like those we wish to "STOP"? If so, then I guess the people who suicide bomb, video tape executions of our soldiers, and mame their fellow citizens over there are equally justified. After all, you want to put the defense that all is fair in love and war. If that's the case, then don't bitch about "those people". Those people you talk of were
A) Invaded by us
B) had nothing to do with 9/11 and
C) were members of a sovereign nation.
So if you really want to talk about terrorist states, take a gander at the U.S. We started this WHOLE mess in the first place that lead to the flood of people from all nations ENTERING IRAQ and using it as a staging ground for A Jihad. Before our FIASCO, Saddam had a stable country, albeit murderous and repressive. Yet, that is no different than many others around the world today. | |
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| Re: Further Problems The only one with a rock solid brain is you bud. You fail to see that even the biggest monster's deserve a trial. The Nazis Killed 6 million and YET they got a day in court (be it the Hague). As for Stalin, well I don't recall that guy having a day in court. He got a Huge Hero's Welcome in Soviet Russia, though. The same went for Lenin. Of which, my family fled this country around the time of the Bolshevik Revolution. With that said, you REAFFIRM my point. Mad Men come in all shapes and religions. We have Bush running things now. He's responsible for the CHAOS in Iraq, no one else. Still, even if the world wanted to hold him accountable, I would expect it to be done in a court. The same goes for the people killing our soldiers. The minute you do away with civility, you let these monster's win. You send the message that we will stoop down to your level. That's a powerful message that resonates around the world. Think of it a mother punishing her son. Say the kid kicked her in a temper tantrum. Should the mother beat the kid within one inch of his life, for his action? I would say no. She is an adult, and he is a child. I.E. we are a country that prides itself on law and order, and should hold that standard for all. WE did so for the Japanese and the Nazis. These guys are no different.
Here's an additional Note:
»www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/06···dex.html
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| Re: Further Problems You keep repeating it over and over that the Nazis killed 6 million people.
Do you know that the Nazis killed more than just Jews?
The total amount of "other" peoples killed by the Nazis might even exceed the number of Jews killed by the Nazis.
»www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=nu···G=Search
Do people other than Jews not count?
Do you only consider Jews to be people?
Maybe this oversight of yours is due to the piss poor educational system in this country.
Edit: I not saying that you are stupid it's just that schools don't do a good job of teaching history anymore. | |
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said by jc100 :Is this as opposed to the heavy Handed Republicans who are sticking are freedoms back to the stone ages with things like the: One other thing. There is a difference between "are" and "our." The above image should illustrate.
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| Re: Further Problems Typo. Live with it. Unlike you who might sit here analyzing everything you type in a grammatical sense, this is the internet. If this were a thesis paper, which I have done before, then that's a different story. Otherwise, I could care less about my typing. Stick to the issues and stop nit picking. | |
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| Re: Further Problems said by jc100 :Typo. Live with it. Unlike you who might sit here analyzing everything you type in a grammatical sense, this is the internet. If this were a thesis paper, which I have done before, then that's a different story. Otherwise, I could care less about my typing. Stick to the issues and stop nit picking. Witch is why ewe replied?
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| said by jc100 :Liberals running Europe? Is this as opposed to the heavy Handed Republicans who are sticking are freedoms back to the stone ages with things like the: Patriot Act Removing our rights Military Commission Act which doesn't allow access to courts (I was under the impression that people always had their day in court via the Constitution) NSA wiretapping Gay Marriage ban and the church DICTATING to people their views on others. Abortion laws that prevent a WOMAN from making a choice about HER OWN BODY. So humm.. Those damn liberals seem mild to those DAMN MORONS running things here. Patriot Act does not remove your rights, it protects them. Non-state enemy combatants do Not have rigfhts granted to them by either our constitution or the Geneva Convention. Gay marriage ban...Why change current lawsa to accomodate for a few, thats callewd tyranny of the minority. And Abortion....so many ways to argue with you here, but I'll only pick one. What about the fathers right? No court in this country will force a woman to go full term even if the father will raise the child....so the woman has the choice to KILL the child!
And many get to KILL the child at taxpayers expense....whos DICTATING their poilicies there?
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| She didn't make racist remarks. The dhimmified nitwits charged her with making racist remarks.
As if bemoaning the loss of one's heritage and culture is racist!
Anyway judge for yourself:
In the December 2006 letter to Sarkozy, now the president, Bardot said
France is "tired of being led by the nose by this population that is destroying us, destroying our country by imposing its acts."
Bardot, 73, was referring to the Muslim feast of Aid el-Kebir, celebrated by slaughtering sheep.
»news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080603/ap_···t_racism
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| Re: Further Problems said by ykronic :yeah, because up here if we speak out of line we'll be picked up by some jerk off in a red blazer on horseback quicker than you can say tabernacle! Like what happened to this guy?
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| Re: Further Problems "The magazine has also had to engage legal counsel to deal with frivolous and unsuccessful actions launched by a homosexually "married" Toronto resident and disgruntled former Catholic seminarian"
here's where I have a problem with the article. The first paragraph already explains that the issues brought forth against the paper are largely from the gay community. The catholic church and the gay community have never seen eye to eye, so fine.
But to have the journalist quote "marriage" right in the article to make light of it, even though as of 2005 in the eyes of the law a marriage between a straight couple and a gay couple are no different, shows a bias in favour of the paper in question. | |
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| Re: Further Problems said by ykronic :But to have the journalist quote "marriage" right in the article to make light of it, even though as of 2005 in the eyes of the law a marriage between a straight couple and a gay couple are no different, shows a bias in favour of the paper in question. Technicalities aside, what right does anyone have to go and punish a person for saying something that someone else considered to be offensive?
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| Re: Further Problems none whatsoever. unfortunately it's written into both our constitutions (or at least canada's, can't be sure about the US) that anything you publish cannot direct hate towards a particular group so they have both legal recourse and precedent.
Do I agree with it? no. if you're anti-church, anti-government, homophobic, or just hate all those damn white/black/orange/yellow/indigo people and want to spout off about it go ahead. but I'm a minority in this PC age we live in. | |
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| Re: Further Problems said by ykronic :none whatsoever. unfortunately it's written into both our constitutions (or at least canada's, can't be sure about the US) that anything you publish cannot direct hate towards a particular group so they have both legal recourse and precedent. I didn't know that... and it seems quite disturbing indeed.
No such restriction exists in the US Constitution. However, some speech, made by some people, is more "free" than speech made by others.
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| Re: Now the aren't so different Well, french citizens had it coming when electing their latest president.
All french citizens knew he was a pro big corporation, pro police state, and anti-individual rights guy. And he still got elected. So I guess that's what a majority of people wanted.
Just like a majority of american citizens, a majority of french citizens will eat up anything if it's wrapped in a nice layer of "it's to protect against terrorism, piracy and child porn".
For the others, there's tor. I know I'm donating every month to keep the project alive.
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| Re: A Simple Response said by goddan :Let's all report their reporting site as "offensive". Then that site goes on the banned list . Weren't people doing something similar to that with spam that came from China? They would put words like "Falun Gong" or "Taiwan is Free" and the Chinese police would... um... take care of the problem?
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| I'm glad I don't live in France If I don't like a website, business, whatever, I just won't go there or go back. I don't see what's so hard about that.
Don't like rap? Don't go to places that play it.
Vegetarian? Don't go to steakhouses.
And so on.
That and this is very, very dangerous to society in general. In my experience, everyone belongs to some sort of minority, in one way or another. So would everyone there have to conform to the "perceived norm" even if that's not the norm at all?
Also, what evidence is there that this will be effective. Where there's a will, there's a way.
Let's take one example, child pornography. Personally, even the mere mention of it disgusts me immensely. But, consider this:
- It's going to happen, whether I like it or not.
- People will find ways to get it.
It is my firm belief that it's the subscriber's responsibility to stay away from such nasty sites.
A censored Internet means going down a dark path that must not be followed. And it has the potential to make criminals out of otherwise law-abiding people. Note that I'm not trying to defend child porn. For the most part, I don't care what people do. But, that is one thing that I think absolutely must be snuffed out. | |
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