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French Telco Orange Claims They'll Sue NSA Over Undersea Taps
by Karl Bode 12:18PM Monday Jan 06 2014
French telco Orange says that the telco plans to take legal action against the NSA for the agency's tapping of undersea cables, recently revealed in the latest round of Edward Snowden document leaks. Specifically, the documents note that the NSA tapped the SeaMeWe-4 cable, which links Europe, North Africa and the Middle East. Reuters notes that Orange hasn't decided if they'll file their own legal assault (the success/legality of that being highly unclear), or if they'll join an existing legal action launched in July by the International Federation of Human Rights. Orange's surprise seems justified if not dramatic -- undersea cable taps have been rumored to be commonplace under programs like Echelon for more than a generation.

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Packeteers
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paying lawyers to play politics

anything sensitive going underseas is either encrypted or through a VPN,
so no real harm was done that could be the basis of any legal tort action.
it's possible some treaty or trade agreement was bent,
but then the damage award would most likely be punitive.

Kasoah

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Re: paying lawyers to play politics

what? that's like saying because my door was unlocked you can barge into my house
BosstonesOwn

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Sir where have you been ? The NSA has had it's in in breaking the back of All encryption by helping to create a bad seed timer. So they can, have been , and will continue to get around that pesky thing you call encryption.
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Packeteers
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Re: paying lawyers to play politics

pure FUD: the NSA has not broken common secure encryptions,
they simply data tap in before the encryption even takes place.
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Re: paying lawyers to play politics

»www.google.com/search?q=nsa+weak···ie=UTF-8

You mean to tell me 3/4 of the internet lies ? Or that fact that I myself can break encryption with a half rack If I know the seed, is not true ? Please do tell me how this is wrong.

When you know the seed 2/3 rds of the encryption is already broken. Why do you think everything down to even a simple smart card has a Random Number Generator ? Don't let encryption math facts get in the way though.
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vpoko
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Re: paying lawyers to play politics

You're talking about RSA, a public key cipher. The company that owns the cable could encrypt the message using a symmetric cipher like Twofish and not worry about RSA attacks.
BosstonesOwn

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Re: paying lawyers to play politics

know we are talking about them poisoning others as well.

Implementations which used Dual_EC_DRBG would usually have gotten it via a library. At least RSA Security (BSAFE library), OpenSSL, Microsoft, and Cisco[42] has libraries which included Dual_EC_DRBG, but only BSAFE used it by default. According to the Reuters article which revealed the secret $10 million deal between RSA Security and NSA, RSA Security's BSAFE was most important distributor of the backdoored algorithm.[2] There was a flaw in OpenSSL's implementation of Dual_EC_DRBG that made it non-working outside test mode, from which OpenSSL's Steve Marquess concludes that nobody used OpenSSL's Dual_EC_DRBG implementation.[29]

So they poisoned the base libraries of pretty much everything that uses openssl, Microsoft, and Cisco. Not a lot of gear there. You know considering almost every ssl based vpn/tunnel uses openssl libraries.

Yeah Your absolutely correct it was only RSA.
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BosstonesOwn

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Re: paying lawyers to play politics

Also noting that no one used openssl one for the time it was bugged. Once patched it was used.

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US will claim the tap occurs in international waters

They'll state it's outside the 12 nautical mile limit so go fly a kite. Apparently piracy is legal for them if it's in international waters (since a tap is piracy of signal).
pkorx8

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physical evidence of a tap?

Is it actually that difficult for the underwater cable owners to go in the water and actually find the physical tap that they all speak of?

And on the same subject, how do you physically tap a multi-jacketed fiber-optics cable in the depths of the ocean?

battleop

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Re: physical evidence of a tap?

"Is it actually that difficult for the underwater cable owners to go in the water and actually find the physical tap that they all speak of?"

If the tap didn't cause a disruption or degradation of service it would be almost impossible unless you inspected every inch of the cable.
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Continental shelves don't fall precipitously everywhere, in some places the drop off is gradual. 12 miles out could only be in 1000-2000 ft of water. Also need to consider that placing such a tap in deep water would be a large expense, compared to shallower areas. What they could do is just sever the connection close in to shore and order a search for breakage starting out far, then have them remove any erroneous hardware they find connected on the way back in. Sure, it's severe remedy, but it would find the hardware.

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Snowden didn't reveal anything new here...

This one is not new. The US has been doing this for a long time. I looked for but couldn't find a link to a story about how the US was able to tap undersea cables in a way that was undetectable. It was done by bending the fiber to the point that light was leaking out but still transmitting. Another method was some way to hot splice a tap with 0ms loss.
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Kommie
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Re: Snowden didn't reveal anything new here...

USS Jimmy Carter
kevinds
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This would be neat to see done, on the ocean floor
jorcmg

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Sorry Orange/FT

Sorry FranceTelecom. I guess have your president call the US president. Maybe they can beer summit it out.

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Beezel

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So what's new?

Like the other governments don't do the same thing.

tmh

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They might as well give up

NSA will have their entire case the moment it's saved to a harddrive.