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 | Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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| Re: RE: EU Telco Chief: Business Model Failure Leads To Piracy Business models and copyright laws need to change. both are several decades too old.
the problem is changing either moves at a glacial pace, from the time Napster hit the net it has taken how long for the music industry to "get it" when it comes to DRM free tracks for legit download?.
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BF69
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Camden, TN
| Re: RE: EU Telco Chief: Business Model Failure Leads To Piracy said by Kearnstd  :Business models and copyright laws need to change. both are several decades too old. the problem is changing either moves at a glacial pace, from the time Napster hit the net it has taken how long for the music industry to "get it" when it comes to DRM free tracks for legit download?. Copy right law is going inthe oppiste dirction you( and just abou everyone else ) wants. Companies like Disney won't let it be sensible. 35 years ago the max a copyright could last was 58 years. then it was 75 then 95. This is all thanks to Disney and a few other companies. God forbid someone uses Steamboat Willie without compensating Dinsey. The copyright on that runs out in 2022 so you can be damned sure Disney will ask for another increase in copyright. Essentially nothing after 1926 will ever be public domain ever. Our founding fathers never intended for people to have perpetual copyrights. 56 years was PLENTY of time to make money off your work. Sorry if you wrote a song in 1953 and still haven't made money off it then too bad.
It's insane that a song written by Irving Berlin in 1924 won't be free of copyright under current law until 2059, because for self publishing it's life plus 70 years and Berlin lived to be 101 and died in 1989. Imagine if books and other works from 1874 were still under copyright and you had to ask permisison and pay compensation to some guy's great great great gandson. | |
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| chronoss2009
join:2008-09-23 | Re: How low can unlimited pricing go? i was thinking more along the lines of "how cheap are them Indians and the cost of electricity" | |
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cameronsfx
join:2009-01-08
Pensacola, FL | Earthlink Co-Founder Considering how many Earthlink customers they have screwed, nice knowing one of the "founders" got screwed too. Why did he wait 9 years? Bitterness sounds like to me. | |
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00000 | Re: Earthlink Co-Founder Better yet what he heck does this have to do with Earthlink or the lawsuit?
"O’Donnell, whose father was special assistant to President John F. Kennedy, first visited Aspen in 1962 while vacationing with the Kennedys as a child." | |
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| Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO | If you actually read things through you will see why. A lot of the information did not come out until after the criminal trial. | |
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boog
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Trenton, OH
| Dell To Launch Android Based Web Device I'm waiting for a smartphone that can run windows xp, and be the same size as current touch phones, and can be docked to a monitor, keyboard, and mouse.
A web device just seems somewhat pointless to the average consumer. I think consumers want a device to do everything. | |
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| sonicmerlin
join:2009-05-24
Cleveland, OH | Re: Dell To Launch Android Based Web Device Windows XP doesn't support the functions necessary in a phone. | |
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boog
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Trenton, OH | Re: Dell To Launch Android Based Web Device Yes, I know that, they will have to design it into it. Originally, windows CE didn't support functions for a phone.
I'm wanting a full fledged computer, that is a phone. About the size of current touch phones.
Is that better? | |
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join:2009-05-24
Cleveland, OH | Re: Dell To Launch Android Based Web Device Windows CE sucks in terms of performance though.
Your best bet is Android. | |
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boog
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join:2000-07-24
Trenton, OH
| Re: Dell To Launch Android Based Web Device Your missing the point.....
But, if I want functionality, the ability to edit word and excel files, and be very flexible in a business world, Windows mobile is the best right now.
Performance can be just a matter of opinion. It may be able to perform what it does well, but can it perform what I need? Doesn't look to.
But, a real computer with phone functions would be the way to go. Not just an internet device. Check out OQO »www.oqo.com/products/index.html , that device would be perfect with cellular service built in. | |
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mrchris
We don't miss you Bush
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join:2002-10-01
North Babylon, NY | Chris to Swedish Performing Rights Society: Get bent. If they're not making money off the music by streaming....WHAT'S THE HARM BEING DONE??? | |
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| Re: Chris to Swedish Performing Rights Society: What with tactics like this and similar ones from AS(S)CAP and the British PRS, it is no wonder that the recording industry is one of the most hated organizations on the planet.
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join:2009-05-24
Cleveland, OH
| Re: Chris to Swedish Performing Rights Society: Well actually if you understood basic economics, you would realize the demand curve for "free" is completely different than the demand curve for something with a price. The demand for free is in fact essentially exponential and infinite, while the demand for a priced product has a downward correlation with price.
In other words many, if not most, of the people who would download something for free would not bother acquiring the product if it cost anything.
Free material on the other hand may actually serve as a form of advertisement for the purchasable products. I recall a recent study showing a correlation between increased piracy and increased number of purchases of a product.
In any case, deluding yourself into thinking the millions of people who pirated your song would bother spending money on it if that were required to listen to it is egotistical and irrational. | |
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amigo_boy
join:2005-07-22
Tempe, AZ
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| Re: Chris to Swedish Performing Rights Society: said by sonicmerlin :In any case, deluding yourself into thinking the millions of people who pirated your song would bother spending money on it if that were required to listen to it is egotistical and irrational. But, the flip side is that if it wasn't worth anything to those pirates, it won't hurt them to go without.
The real question is who decides to give something away for free. The property owner's? Or, the person who says "I want this, but I don't want to pay for it. And, since I don't want to pay for it, I wouldn't buy it anyway. So... (circular reasoning).... you're not losing anything."
It's this circular reasoning I detect among pirates. They reject the opposite circular reasoning as invalid. That, if it's not worth any money to you, you can live without it.
Be that as it may. I do agree that copyright laws have tilted too far in favor of authors/publishers.
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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| Re: Chris to Swedish Performing Rights Society: You're getting it backwards.
The reasoning usually is "I don't have the money or desire for this, so I won't be buying it. Oh, but hey, I can get it for free... ok I'll take it then."
So, if you eliminated the FREE option, it doesn't suddenly mean a sale. Nope, it means they go without and are fine without it.
The content industry likes to suggest that every copy of anything equals a lost sale, which they then can use in their "We lost XXXXXX gazillions to piracy, and that means we lost 4.8 million jobs to piracy" etc
Actually, they lost nothing, as nothing gained is nothing lost.
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join:2009-05-24
Cleveland, OH
2 edits | The circular reasoning you may encounter on the internet is often perpetrated by internet savvy, possibly relatively affluent forum denizens who, although may have spent money to purchase a product instead of pirating it, represent a tiny fraction of the general audience.
Think about the 3000 song collection on a person's iPod. Do you really think any sane average person would spend $3000 on music in the span of a year or less?
As long as the creator isn't necessarily harmed by a "lost sale", I don't see the problem in letting the "riffraff" acquire and use said products for free. Some assume the industry will somehow "collapse" if pirating becomes rampant. But all it requires is a look outside one's normal window of operation to the Far East to understand the reality. In Japan super-fast broadband has existed for almost a decade now, and pirating is rampant and easy. Teenagers and even adults regularly go to CD rental stores, rent a CD, take it home and rip the music.
Yet somehow the music industry still manages to thrive there.
People who are willing to pay and capable of paying for music do so even when alternative, free options exist. | |
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| | TheWickerMan
join:2002-04-09
Enola, PA
| said by amigo_boy : So, if I steal my neighbor's car and give it to someone else for free, no harm is done? No, but if you make a copy of your neighbor's car, no harm is done. | |
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