 KearnstdElf WizardPremium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | no shock from the MAFIAA they loose a case in which the other party defended themselves under the letter of the law in a court room, that they now go crying to the Aussie government to change the laws so next time around the laws are purchased in their favor.
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Billings, MT
1 edit | Re: no shock from the MAFIAA said by Kearnstd:they loose a case in which the other party defended themselves under the letter of the law in a court room, that they now go crying to the Aussie government to change the laws so next time around the laws are purchased in their favor. Nope.. They'll just use the "bailout" money to hire a better lawyer and/or lobbyists.
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join:2002-01-27
Kansas City, MO
kudos:2 | 3G networks cracking under strain ...? Nope. Facebook um....
"So next time you can't get a stable 3G connection, you know who to blame."
the carrier? | |
| | | | | bruzrPremium
join:2007-05-05
Essex Junction, VT
1 edit | Re: 3G networks cracking under strain ...? Nope. Facebook If the described network is straining, it's because it has been oversold, not because of heavy use by individual users.
60 million hours = 3.6 billion minutes (not 4.8 billion)
3.6 billion mins / 16 million users = 225 minutes per month per user,
or 7.5 minutes per day per user.
That's hardly heavy use for an unlimited data plan. What happens if the average usage rises to 1 or 2 hours per day? What if the average user starts streaming episodes from Hulu every day, instead of YouTube clips?
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| | | fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | Facebook is the next FUD...
If everyone is on Facebook all day long "breaking the network" then, in my opinion, they are not on YouTube, hulu, and other sites, right?
I'm sorry.. I just can't buy the crap that Facebook is killing the net... Facebook is HARDLY bandwidth intense.. and besides, if EVERYONE is hitting FACEBOOK, and FACEBOOK's servers can keep up, for the most part, then the rest of the net would be equally as bogged down. Facebook is only one site and one data farm in comparison to the rest of the net.. what about eBay? What about YouTube? What about Hulu? what about every other site out there...
Really.. Facebook? This is a pure load of crap... | |
| | | |  ThrowDemsOutIf you can't convince 'em, confuse 'emPremium
join:2002-03-03
Mullica Hill, NJ
kudos:4
2 edits | Re: 3G networks cracking under strain ...? Nope. Facebook said by fiberguy:Facebook is the next FUD... If everyone is on Facebook all day long "breaking the network" then, in my opinion, they are not on YouTube, hulu, and other sites, right? I'm sorry.. I just can't buy the crap that Facebook is killing the net... Facebook is HARDLY bandwidth intense.. and besides, if EVERYONE is hitting FACEBOOK, and FACEBOOK's servers can keep up, for the most part, then the rest of the net would be equally as bogged down. Facebook is only one site and one data farm in comparison to the rest of the net.. what about eBay? What about YouTube? What about Hulu? what about every other site out there... Really.. Facebook? This is a pure load of crap... I don't think it is the intensity of the data usage they are referring to. It is the fact that many, many more people are now using data at all on the cell networks that is driving the concern. Facebook, just like the iPhone, is driving more and more people to use data on mobile devices(and not just smartphones, but feature phones with web access too). It is the increase in the numbers of people using data that is straining the wireless systems.
I see all my nieces and nephews(not smartphone users) are constantly updating Facebook from their mobile feature phones. Before Facebook they were doing virtually no data use. That has changed dramatically in the last year. | |
| | | | | fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | Re: 3G networks cracking under strain ...? Nope. Facebook Right... but, what people are posting on Facebook, for the most part, on mobile apps, especially on the iPhone which has the best Facebook App, is really nothing more than a text message. Yes, the text goes over 3G, or in at&t's case, Edge, lol, ... it's usually a small amount of data. At least on the 200 people I have on my facebook list, what I see mainly are those people posting mobile updates are "At the airport, waiting for a flight".. and yes, my life in enriched for that information. 
Any strain they have on their networks is their own fault, to be honest. They started mobile broadband as a business service and then started to push into the personal use. In fact, I just checked the major carriers and their cards, for example, are still mainly listed under their business sections... so yea, it's the phones for personal people.
The way *I* see it, they wanted more revenue for mobile broadband so they turned to the end user, but I see this as "let's get more revenue from broadband so lets get more $ from the end user, even if we're not ready for them, and put heavy restrictions on them and charge premiums for it"... I have the iPhone, now two of them since I moved my personal phone over from Sprint last week along side my business phone that already was on att. Both of those phones, and I consider myself a heavy user, are primarily wifi use.. I pay $60 a month for the two phone's data plan and hardly use 100 meg a month combined for 3G data. I know that the tweens out there are using a lot of data.. but becuase of that, instead of them crying they have strain, there are two things I see...
1) take that revenue and increase capacity.
2) if you're going to talk about strain and want the public to care, start releasing actual numbers to the public.
Until number 2 happens, I see this as a press campaign to throw some fud on the customer.
This is one case where I don't feel sorry for the carriers.. the heavy customers are, in my opinion, subsidized by the light users every month.
I'm not sure exactly who is coming up with the term "cracking" when describing network impact, but, they sold the service to the end user and it just sounds like SOMEONE is crying becuase their plans of revenue isn't panning out.. ie: like airplanes who over sell their flights knowing that about 10% of passengers won't show up, the carriers are over selling their network in HOPES that 50% of their customers won't use anywhere near their data.. which, in my opinion is true, especially when they are all now starting to FORCE data plans on to people.
Again, this is one case where I don't feel sorry for them.. they need to take that revenue and upgrade their networks, and fast. OR, go to billing by the byte, which is where I think they SHOULD go.. when you have a so-called "limited resource" it SHOULD be metered until they can handle traffic..
But still, facebook status updates?? cracking the networks? .. I'd really like to see those numbers. I can ALSO see this as "the most popular app" attack by some junior exec or analyst saying the sky is falling. We've all seen this before where they look at numbers, take the most popular app, site, traffic pattern, and say "that's the reason we're hurting"... and while FB may be a high use app, or the most popular app/site on mobile networks, is it REALLY making the network crawls? We're seen many times where networks have a habit of looking at the top few percent of users or use and them blame them for problems and those users/use may be the top users, but are they really taking up a LARGE percent of the over all picture? Sometimes they DO like to just attack the most popular user, app, or site.. Why? Maybe becuase they're trying to invent a new revenue stream or billing model... but, my point is that I want them to be honest, and transparent about the issue they face.. if they can't post hard numbers, in this day and age, I'm not interested.
I pay $100 a month for my service for one of my lines, and I hardly get anywhere near what I consider "value" out of my data (and value is their term, not mine) So if they're going to try to convince me that their network is cracking, well, I hope they're not looking at me and MY rates becuase they wont' get any more from me.. I'm one of the customers they WANT to keep.. not piss off.
I just think that some carriers need to rethink they way they talk to the general public becuase I personally see this is an impending attack/restriction on how I am using my service.
I just want them to publish hard numbers if they're going to try to make me feel sorry for them, especially when I write at&t a $400 check every month.
You know me and my thoughts.. I know what it takes to run a business and how to walk a line between operating an honest business and proper compensation from the customer, BUT, lately, I think that many of these large businesses (aka corps) are going about it wrong.. with a little creative thinking, HONEST changes, they can treat all of their customers fair. Right now, mobile broadband IS a limited resource which is why I believe they DO need to go to billing by the byte.. they need to charge heavy users more, and light users less.. this is how the phone company did it for years with long distance billing and how the cell companies use minutes to control network use. Sometimes, and in some cases, 'unlimited' billing doesn't work. In the case of mobile broadband, unlimited rates is just a way to get more customers on board to their service all while they're telling people that unlimited isn't really unlimited a they cry they can't handle it.. if they can't handle it and networks are cracking, what should that tell them? ... it tells me its limited and they need to charge for actual use UNTIL they can build out their networks to handle it..
My guess is mobile providers will screw up in the end for a long time to come. And, on another note, I still think they're looking for a lot of revenue, but not to build networks, but to come up with silly ads slamming the competition to gain MORE customers.. I know its against the 1st amendment for the govt to control speech, but one way to get these networks under control and get them to build them out on their own is to limit what they can advertise by stop slamming each other and instead talk about themselves.. and use the same controls that they used on the tobacco industry in marketing practices.
Just my opinions..
But, for now, I have to post a status on facebook, on my phone, that says I just posted a message on Broadband Reports. | |
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join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA | Microsoft Exec Calls For 'Driver's License For The Internet' Fortunately for him this exec didn't have be licensed to tell his arse from a hole in the ground. | |
| | ThrowDemsOutIf you can't convince 'em, confuse 'emPremium
join:2002-03-03
Mullica Hill, NJ
kudos:4 | Re: Microsoft Exec Calls For 'Driver's License For The Internet' said by Sammer:Fortunately for him this exec didn't have be licensed to tell his arse from a hole in the ground. Yes, that is a stupid idea. And so is his idea that some UN based entity like WHO will solve the problem. But he did get 1 thing right:
"We are not allowed to organize the systematic quarantine of machines that are compromised." Something has to be done to take infected machines offline until they are fixed. That would fall mostly to ISPs. But who will make them do their job? | |
| | Simba7
join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT
1 edit | ..and this is supposed to stop the hackers and pirates?
What a large load of BULLSH*T. They will always find a way to circumvent it. Did they think DRM/CSS/HDCP/etc was going to thwart these groups? The answer is they don't think like one, so they'll never GET A CLUE. Any encryption/protection can be circumvented with the right tools.
If (and I do mean IF) it does happen, I'll be the first to find a way around it (by means of VPN tunnels, high end encryption, bouncing through proxy after proxy, etc). If someone beats me to it, I'll buy him/her a case of beer/lager (their choice).
Normal World.. Kiss your privacy goodbye..
Hacker World.. Enjoy it and laugh at the normal world.
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join:2003-03-11
South Williamson, KY Reviews:
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| "If you want to drive a car you have to have a license to say that you are capable of driving a car, the car has to pass a test to say it is fit to drive and you have to have insurance."
The only problem is you CAN kill someone with a car. You Can't kill someone with the internet no matter how hard your serf. | |
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ThrowDemsOutIf you can't convince 'em, confuse 'emPremium
join:2002-03-03
Mullica Hill, NJ
kudos:4 |  RE: Nexus One on way to official faildom?
When they started selling hardware, they had nothing in place to support the buyers. | |
| | | | Re: Nexus One on way to official faildom? agreed.
they have the capital in place to get that set up. now they need the manpower and the management for it.
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I like hte latest version BUT ill drop the browser if they are not gonna at least sample a good chunk of those PAY SOMEONE give a man a job. IT cant be hard.
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get out those peta pies for the australian govt BOY here we go time to see whose the next politician that can take a BRIBE on the price is right..... YA know id elect a politician that held a pie throwing contest, i had idea you could as a person pay fo rht epie there and part of it goes to charity. WONDER how many of these so called democraic representatives have enough a sense a humor they'd do it.
elect me ill let you toss pies at my party people that act like morons.....
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ya know microsoft is onto something , i think however it shouldbe companies that give out CRAPPY MALWARE infested easily operating systems and steal other peoples software that should require a liscense, this way we can charge MS for every blunder. OH and on that front wonder how much money harper would save migrating all the federal govt computers to linux seeing how harper talks on about tough times and cutting the fat. WONDER how much does Canada pay another american corporation.
ALSO i move that the CRIA be removed from oversight of the Canadian copyright levy. That is until the mess with the 6 billion dollar lawsuit about NOT paying artists in Canada ( not just Canadians BUT Americans and others too like bruce springstein for example ). The federal govt should assume this duty until such time as the CRIA either gets its act together or pays back canada the 500 million they also stole effectively form Canada as its intent was and should have gone to pay artists NOT the RIAA YACHT BUILDING PROGRAM.
ALSO as this is effectively counterfeiting under Canadian law why sin't the RCMP called out to raid there offices and arrest the man in charge pending a court hearing.
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join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT | CTIA, Verizon, U.S. Cellular File Against Signal Boosters Well, if they'd put up more towers in rural, remote spots.. We wouldn't need these signal boosters. | |
| | | | | | | Re: CTIA, Verizon, U.S. Cellular File Against Signal Boosters I use one out were I am at on a yagi antenna at that! Without it I wouldn't even get larger emails on dailup with the lousy phone service I get from at&t. Even though all I can get is 1xrtt still way faster than 19.2k dial anyday. | |
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join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT | Re: CTIA, Verizon, U.S. Cellular File Against Signal Boosters said by CaptainRR:I use one out were I am at on a yagi antenna at that! Without it I wouldn't even get larger emails on dailup with the lousy phone service I get from at&t. Even though all I can get is 1xrtt still way faster than 19.2k dial anyday. I hear that. I had to deal with a customer 10 miles outside of Miles City one day (this was awhile ago). I had to reload her computer with XP and I was stuck on dialup. Fastest it could connect to was 21.6kbps.
I was about to just take the tower, drive to town, connect it up to my broadband, fetch the updates, then drive back.
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join:2009-11-23
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1 edit | 3G Networks cracking under Facebook? What twaddle. quote:
The data, collected from three out of five UK mobile networks, showed that social networks such as Facebook account for nearly half of the time that users spend online via handsets.
Time is absolutely IRRELEVANT. Web surfing social sites is an idle application. You load the page and then read. You type and upload. Then read some more. HTML pages constitute very little data and while you are reading you aren't generating any throughput at all.
Streaming video meanwhile is a bandwidth hogging consistency for the entire duration of viewing.
Social networks crushing 3G? Twaddle. | |
| | ThrowDemsOutIf you can't convince 'em, confuse 'emPremium
join:2002-03-03
Mullica Hill, NJ
kudos:4 | Re: 3G Networks cracking under Facebook? What twaddle. said by Z80A: quote:
social networks such as Facebook account for nearly half of the time that users spend online via handsets.
Web surfing social sites is an idle application. You load the page and then read. You type and upload. Then read some more. HTML pages constitute very little data and while you are reading you aren't generating any throughput at all. Streaming video meanwhile is a bandwidth hogging consistency for the entire duration of viewing. From what I have seen here in the US vs the test data from the UK, many users are frequently uploading video and photos from their phones. That traffic is a big deal on mobile networks. So, it isn't all just text typing and reading text pages now, there is a lot of uploading and downloading of videos and photos as well. | |
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join:2009-11-23 Reviews:
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1 edit | Re: 3G Networks cracking under Facebook? What twaddle. We also saw Bell Canada claim their networks were congested. That was horsecrap too.
said by Item :
Europe's largest Wi-Fi provider The Cloud is claiming...
There is no evidence to support this claim and it is nothing more than marketing from a COMPETITOR to 3G services. The actual data collected from cellular carriers was about the TIME spent performing a particular activity. Time is irrelevant and has no correlation to data consumption compared to other uses of 3G networks particularly when you are talking about FaceBook.
FaceBook isn't crushing anything. | |
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1 edit | RE: Nexus One on way to official faildom? There are 2 reasons I don't have a Nexus One right now. 1) Best job I could find right now is only part time (close to full time, but not). So paying an extra $55/month over what I already pay, would be quite a stretch. 2) You can't get a couple Nexus Ones on a family/shared plan. Sure they'll let you pay more and buy 2 individual phones/plans. But I want 2 phones on 1 cheaper plan. They don't currently offer it.
So really, it compounds. IF it were possible to get 2 Nexus Ones on a family plan, it would cost me about $55/month more. I can't, so I'd either have to pay for 2 individual plans or leave my better half with her old phone and her own plan. Either way, 2 individual lines of service is more expensive.
Google, get the ability to have 2 Nexus Ones on a family/share plan and see if you can bully Tmobile into providing a better plan. Here's a free tip, combined we use less than 100 mins per month. Give me a cheaper 'minutes' plan, but keep the unlimited data plan (I'd use lots of data) and it'll be enough to get me into a Nexus One... or two. | |
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