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One of my wifi only tablets got listed on Market as a TMobile device. So I also had to deal with probable carrier rules. | |
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kudos:4 | Re: Mobile operators are losing their grip on the tablet market said by djrobx:Something's got to give with carriers trying to charge a separate fee for every device. Portable hotspot/tethering should do the trick, but I shouldn't have to pay 2x the price for the luxury of using the same data on a different screen.
I agree. But looking at it from the carrier's point of view, the data on the larger screen isn't the same. It is usually larger amounts of data for each transaction and puts more load on individual tower's wireless bandwidth capacity(not the wired backhaul). Meaning, they will have to upgrade their base stations sooner and at greater cost. Greater cost means higher charges.
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| | | | | Re: Mobile operators are losing their grip on the tablet market The size of the screen does not affect the amounts of data transferred. | |
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kudos:4 | Re: Mobile operators are losing their grip on the tablet market said by DataRiker:The size of the screen does not affect the amounts of data transferred.
Sure it does. Most smartphone browsers are biased to choose mobile web pages instead of the std desktop pages. Tablet's like the ipad and laptops are defaulted to desktop versions of web pages. The web pages formatted for mobile use have much less data. | |
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3 edits | Re: Mobile operators are losing their grip on the tablet market My android is set to display full webpages.
Just verified, so in my case the size of the screen doesn't affect the data usage. | |
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| | | | | | said by DataRiker:The size of the screen does not affect the amounts of data transferred.
blackberry data goes through their servers which compresses the data. Significantly less data gets transfered between BB's and the net than say an iphone. | |
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Avon Lake, OH | said by ThrowDemsOut:said by djrobx:Something's got to give with carriers trying to charge a separate fee for every device. Portable hotspot/tethering should do the trick, but I shouldn't have to pay 2x the price for the luxury of using the same data on a different screen.
I agree. But looking at it from the carrier's point of view, the data on the larger screen isn't the same. It is usually larger amounts of data for each transaction and puts more load on individual tower's wireless bandwidth capacity(not the wired backhaul). Meaning, they will have to upgrade their base stations sooner and at greater cost. Greater cost means higher charges. Well, with Verizon and AT&T, you're still sitting under the same cap. They SHOULDN'T care if you use 2GB of iPhone data or 2GB of tablet data. And if they're saying 99% wouldn't use 2GB with their phone, then adjust the cap for everyone. | |
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| said by ThrowDemsOut:said by djrobx:Something's got to give with carriers trying to charge a separate fee for every device. Portable hotspot/tethering should do the trick, but I shouldn't have to pay 2x the price for the luxury of using the same data on a different screen.
I agree. But looking at it from the carrier's point of view, the data on the larger screen isn't the same. It is usually larger amounts of data for each transaction and puts more load on individual tower's wireless bandwidth capacity(not the wired backhaul). Meaning, they will have to upgrade their base stations sooner and at greater cost. Greater cost means higher charges. They still could price those separate data plans little less for existing customers than make them pay full price. In similar analogy, I understand everybody would want only 1 internet plan for both home broadband and smartphone but it is virtually impossible. Single product, but dual type of access (wired & wireless).
Here we have single product, single type of access but slightly dual type of use. Is it more expensive than my first scenario? When you use tablet instead of smartphone.
Btw, when I roam internationally why suddenly 2GB worth of $25, becomes 50Mb? Why overage is $1 for each Mb? Carriers live in dream world. | |
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| | | said by carpetshark3:Good. Since I use my tablet as an e-reader, ephemeris, sky atlas, and nature guide, and mostly at home with wifi, I don't need my carrier sticking his nose in with 3 or 4G. I've got a phone.
One of my wifi only tablets got listed on Market as a TMobile device. So I also had to deal with probable carrier rules.
Has it occurred to you smartphones use exactly the same hardware as tablets, but retail for three times the price? Actually tablets have significantly larger (and hence much more expensive) screens and batteries, so they cost more to produce.
Yet a dual-core Android tablet is priced at $200 (Kindle Fire), and Asus is planning to release a Tegra 3 tablet for $250 very soon. An equivalent dual-core phone with the exact same ARM SoC and LPDDR3 RAM costs three times the Kindle Fire.
This is the real reason consumers are buying tablets. Competition drove prices down from $500 (and $600 in some cases) to $200 (even less if you buy a cheap China tablet). The smartphone market on the other hand is entirely collusive, and prices remain sky-high for even low-end smartphones. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: Mobile operators are losing their grip on the tablet market The Kindle Fire is a loss leader for Amazon, so that's not exactly a fair conclusion to draw. | |
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| | | | that's the worst logic i've ever heard. just because tablets are bigger doesn't mean they cost more to produce. Getting the same power into a smaller package costs more. Did you know it costs significantly more to produce a 22in Tv than it does to produce a 32"....
in a similar fashion, a laptop is much more expensive than a desktop with the same specs. | |
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| | | | | Re: Mobile operators are losing their grip on the tablet market said by prairiesky:that's the worst logic i've ever heard. just because tablets are bigger doesn't mean they cost more to produce. Getting the same power into a smaller package costs more. Did you know it costs significantly more to produce a 22in Tv than it does to produce a 32"....
in a similar fashion, a laptop is much more expensive than a desktop with the same specs.
*facepalm* First of all, 32" TVs cost more than 22" ones. Not sure what store catalog you're ogling. Secondly, laptops use different hardware than desktops, and are engineered for mobility and low-power usage.
Smartphones and tablets OTOH use the exact same hardware. The iPhone 4S uses the exact same A5 chip as the iPad 2, with slight customizations to lower clock speed. Otherwise the benchmarks come out exactly the same.
The cost of a multitouch screen increases exponentially the larger its size. 10" screens are far, *far* more expensive than 4" ones. | |
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kudos:1 | And that 250 dollar tablet is 7in, not 10in. | |
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Torrance, CA | Droid malware The first thing I got for my phone and tablet was virus protection. Look to me for phone and tablet, just got Avast moble for phone. That with common sense, should be somwhat safe. Android Market shoud scan all apps when submitted to be safe
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Atlanta, GA | Re: Droid malware I've had an Android phone for over 4 years, have over 45 apps installed. Never had any malware, have never seen any malware. And yes, I did a scan just to confirm, but I still say all this doom and gloom about Android malware is FUD. Follow the money.
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kudos:4 | Re: Droid malware said by fuziwuzi:I've had an Android phone for over 4 years, have over 45 apps installed. Never had any malware, have never seen any malware. And yes, I did a scan just to confirm, but I still say all this doom and gloom about Android malware is FUD. Follow the money.
What money. Most of the Android malware scanning apps are free. | |
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Atlanta, GA | Re: Droid malware said by ThrowDemsOut:said by fuziwuzi:I've had an Android phone for over 4 years, have over 45 apps installed. Never had any malware, have never seen any malware. And yes, I did a scan just to confirm, but I still say all this doom and gloom about Android malware is FUD. Follow the money.
What money. Most of the Android malware scanning apps are free. LOL, so you think they are charity? Who pays for them? Who pays for these "studies" and "reports"? You're either naive or obfuscating.
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kudos:4 | Re: Droid malware said by fuziwuzi:said by ThrowDemsOut:said by fuziwuzi:I've had an Android phone for over 4 years, have over 45 apps installed. Never had any malware, have never seen any malware. And yes, I did a scan just to confirm, but I still say all this doom and gloom about Android malware is FUD. Follow the money.
What money. Most of the Android malware scanning apps are free. LOL, so you think they are charity? Who pays for them? Who pays for these "studies" and "reports"? You're either naive or obfuscating. They work on the same basis as Google and other companies based on ads. Don't view the ads and buy the products, putting the software on your phone costs you nothing.
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Atlanta, GA | Re: Droid malware Again, you seem to be either naive or obfuscating. The more they scare people, the more their "solution" gets used, the more ad money they make. Follow the money.
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kudos:4 | Re: Droid malware said by fuziwuzi:Again, you seem to be either naive or obfuscating. The more they scare people, the more their "solution" gets used, the more ad money they make. Follow the money.
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Atlanta, GA | Re: Droid malware Symantec, McAfee, and Microsoft... yeah, no conflict of interest there.  FUD!
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kudos:1 | Android has just hit about 4 years old but you have had Android longer?  | |
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| | | | Re: Droid malware To what end? That thread both disputes and verifies Symantec's claims.
Look: I have little regard for AV software. I regard it as both over-hyped and, even when effective, a bit like closing the barn door after the horses are gone. But that doesn't change the facts that: 1. The Android marketplace is rather loosey-goosey on what's allowed to be published, and by whom. There's apparently no vetting of publishers or what's published. 2. Given the opportunity: Both "legitimate" businesses and entities with purely Evil intent will take advantage of that. Witness MS-Windows and the masses of infected MS-Win PeeCees.
Google can go a long way toward addressing some of this very simply: Quarantine new apps and updates until they can be vetted by automated scanners. Believe me: Goog's got the processing power.
Or Google can let the Android platform become "the next Windows," as it's already becoming known--and not in a good way. | |
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| Re: Droid malware said by jseymour:To what end? That thread both disputes and verifies Symantec's claims. Symantec's claim is a lie as presented.
The Symantec press releases weave together terms like bot, infection, malware, trojan, malicious code, steals information as if they were describing a genuinely dangerous threat; such as TDSS or a Zeus keylogger.
An honest bulletin by Symantec would declare Counterclank to be adware, which it is.
A more honest threat assessment by Symantec would place primary blame with the internet advertising industry.
(Internet advertising groups like the IMB consistently fail to proactively address the unethical practices in their ranks that lead to software like HotBar, MyWebSearch and Counterclank.)
Instead, the android market is attacked.
The solution (of course) is the Microsoft/Apple Company-Store model, which can effectively enforce a limit on which choices consumers will be allowed.
The thinking is that we'll all be far safer, if we'll just relinquish some of our consumer liberty to MS-Apple.
After all - they know what's best for us, better than we do.
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kudos:1 | Re: How Siri is ruining your cellphone service "To make your wish her command, Siri floods your cell network with a stream of data; her responses require a similarly large flow in return. A study published this month by Arieso, an Atlanta firm that specializes in mobile networks, found that the Siri-equipped iPhone 4S uses twice as much data as does the plain old iPhone 4 and nearly three times as much as does the iPhone 3G. The new phone requires far more data than most other advanced smartphones, which are pretty data-intensive themselves, The Post has reported."
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