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by Revcb 07:04PM Friday Mar 02 2012

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JasonOD

@comcast.net

AT&T bringing Uverse to Kansas City.....

Is like bringing a knife to a gun fight. Big T is supposed to be done deploying Uverse, so why are they wasting it in a market they won't be able to compete in?

KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK

Re: AT&T bringing Uverse to Kansas City.....

Because they intend to "help show Google" that it's just not profitable to build out and operate a fiber system that competes with the incumbents.

And they'll do that by pricing U-Verse at bargain basement prices.

They want to nip Google in the bud before they succeed and expand to other markets where they would hurt AT&T.
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"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini

88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness

Mobile Carriers Don't Want To Give Up SMS Without A Fight

As you may know, SMS text-messaging is a rip-off, and a huge cash-cow for the mobile telecoms, who charge premium rates for a service that has an effective cost of zero (SMS messages are encoded into regular signals that cell towers have to send anyway). But they are losing a growing chunk of that income to data-based messaging services like BBM, iMessage, WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger and more. Naturally, they aren't happy, and they try to frame it as an unfair disruption of their business model:

Maybe if they didn't have mandatory data plans people would stay with the texting plans the mobile companies offer. I have a data plan not because I need one but because I'm made too. Well I might as well use that data right? And if I use it to by-pass the mobile companies own texting services so I can save a few bucks too bad for them. If I wasn't required to have a data plan I wouldn't have one then I'd have to keep their texting plans.

It's stupid to have minutes, texting and data all separated anyways. It's ALL data.
chgo_man99

join:2010-01-01
San Jose, CA

Re: Mobile Carriers Don't Want To Give Up SMS Without A Fight

In Europe, most carriers interchange your minutes for texts. Wish they did it here. However, only calling party pays for calls, so expect there to pay more for calling or less minutes. Cell phones in europe have seperate area codes from landline and if u call from landline or voip, u pay more for calling cell.

I am originally from Poland, last time I checked what polish carriers offer I was impressed but was very disappointment by prices, particularly prices of devices. For an average phone plan on 2 year contract, the Iphone 4S 16gb will cost you $514 (subsidized) as much as unsubsidized unlocked version from the U.S.

I was impressed with large offering and prices of British carriers like T-Mobile though. You can get iPhone on $57 plan (after currency conversion) for around $160. The current plan in promotion has unlimited text, data and 2000 minutes.

88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness

Is AT&T sunsetting its 2G networks as well

They should and so should Verizon. Use the extra spectrum for 4G since they are supposedly running out of it. In fact they should be sunset 3G within 5 years and use that spectrum.

Ben
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join:2007-06-17
Glen Carbon, IL

Re: Is AT&T sunsetting its 2G networks as well

said by 88615298:

They should and so should Verizon. Use the extra spectrum for 4G since they are supposedly running out of it. In fact they should be sunset 3G within 5 years and use that spectrum.

     Aren't there still areas without 3G?  That's the only problem I'd have with such a plan.  The best way to start would be to remove it from large cities and anywhere that "4G"/LTE has been deployed.

     I've heard that years ago, in Japan you must use 3G, and it's for similar reasons.  The population density is just too high not to use 3G.
chgo_man99

join:2010-01-01
San Jose, CA

Re: Is AT&T sunsetting its 2G networks as well

Northwest Illinois west of Rockford is still only on 2G. It doesn't even cover whole I-88/-I-80.

I-Wireless (T-Mobile affilate) still uses 2G in Dubuque, IA where ibm built new data center and has population of >50,000. In map, they disgenuinely call EDGE "fast mobile". What is that 2003?

Even at&t did not have HSPA there until 2011.

88615298
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join:2004-07-28
West Tenness

Re: Is AT&T sunsetting its 2G networks as well

said by chgo_man99:

Northwest Illinois west of Rockford is still only on 2G. It doesn't even cover whole I-88/-I-80.

Maybe for at&t. Verizon has at least 3G there.
chgo_man99

join:2010-01-01
San Jose, CA

Re: Is AT&T sunsetting its 2G networks as well

but thats EV-DO not HSPA. They could choose to upgrade to HSPA like Bell and Telus in Canada but they chose not to. They upgraded 2G area to 3G using software. They did not have to invest in costly newer hardware like at&t or t-mobile. EV-DO is slower (theoretically) from HSPA. EV-DO does not let you talk and surf at the same time.

Verizon did not upgrade that area with 4G LTE either yet. And why you think they jumped quickly to 4G LTE before GSM carriers? Because they know their EVDO "3G" network is inferior to HSPA, no matter how big in coverage.

And in some areas at&t has only 3G but not 2G (parts of North Dakota, Minnesota, etc)

Besides, stick with factual statements, not personal opinions and stick with the topic. The topic is not about war between VZ and at&t. Its about sunsetting 2G.

88615298
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join:2004-07-28
West Tenness

Re: Is AT&T sunsetting its 2G networks as well

said by chgo_man99:

but thats EV-DO not HSPA. They could choose to upgrade to HSPA like Bell and Telus in Canada but they chose not to. They upgraded 2G area to 3G using software. They did not have to invest in costly newer hardware like at&t or t-mobile. EV-DO is slower (theoretically) from HSPA.

EV-DO is faster than at&t 2G though isn't it?

EV-DO does not let you talk and surf at the same time.

so? Like that matters at 2G speeds anyways.
chgo_man99

join:2010-01-01
San Jose, CA

Re: Is AT&T sunsetting its 2G networks as well

said by 88615298:

so? Like that matters at 2G speeds anyways.

When you talk and surf at the same time, the data will slow down, especially on upstream channel. Voice packets get QoS priority. You 'll even get calls just fine in congested areas like sport stadions where 3G drops below 10kps speeds.

Not that it really matters a lot to me I'll switch to Wi-fi where they usually are, and if I can't find one, I'll even switch to EDGE mode. Because Edge 100kb is better than oversubscribed 3G with 1kb. And when I am in congested areas like sport stadions or crowded downtown, most of time I focus my eyes and ears on whats around me.

LTE has much much better spectral efficiency than HSPA+. In one area where I got with 3G on my iphone only 0.1Mb/s, I got minimum 12 Mb/s on LTE from the same network via their Novatel mifi. When they catch up with Verizon, they'll be competing well in urban and suburban areas.

Metatron2008
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join:2008-09-02
united state
Here's a factual statement. Verizon 3G kills AT&T 2g.
chgo_man99

join:2010-01-01
San Jose, CA

Re: Is AT&T sunsetting its 2G networks as well

at&t's EDGE kills verizon's 1X, so?

And you're only changing the topic into att v vz instead focusing on att's 2G which belongs to article's topic "Is AT&T sunsetting its 2G networks as well".

88615298
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join:2004-07-28
West Tenness
said by Ben:

     Aren't there still areas without 3G?  That's the only problem I'd have with such a plan.  The best way to start would be to remove it from large cities and anywhere that "4G"/LTE has been deployed.

Well large cities is where you expect to have the congestion issues anyways, so yes it makes sense to remove 3G form them first.

DaveRickmers

join:2011-07-19
Canyon Country, CA

Pasta Spirals? This is high tech?

Aren't a lot of wireless transport streams already quadrature, orthogonal, etc.?

DaveRickmers

join:2011-07-19
Canyon Country, CA

Artificial Shortages Are As Old As Capitalism

These wireless companies need better supervision. The guvmint needs to do an inventory. I suspect we are a long way from running out of capacity. If wireless cos spent as much on facilities as they do on lobbyists we'd see an improvement.

Camaro
Question everything
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join:2008-04-05
Westfield, MA
kudos:1

FCC reviews need for rules to shutdown wireless service

Sad day in this "free country".Hell just lojack all of us and be done with it.

Simba7
I Void Warranties

join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT

Re: FCC reviews need for rules to shutdown wireless service

Technically, we already are (whoever has a cell phone, internet access, phone service, etc).

DaveRickmers

join:2011-07-19
Canyon Country, CA

Re: FCC reviews need for rules to shutdown wireless service

g009le thinks I'm 20 miles from here. I'd like to keep it that way.