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kudos:2 | Re: Um .. isn't this Friday EVENING links? It'll get there when it gets there links, sorta like priority mail. | |
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| NextBOX I am getting nervous about these rumors that console devs are looking to kill the used game market by doing their own app stores. Sony tried it with PSP Go and it was an abysmal failure. I hope Microsoft learns from that and keeps things the way they are. If not, I will be one of many who won't buy the next Xbox. The ONLY way I would consider otherwise is if the games are dirt cheap but I just don't see EA charging 10-15 bucks for madden like they do for iPad. | |
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|  BF69Premium
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Camden, TN | Re: NextBOX I'm not sure where people get all this misinformation. So let clear things up. Ok just because a console doesn't have a disc drive doesn't mean game are digital that are downloaded from "the cloud". Go look at a Nitendo DS or the PS Vita. No disc drive but the game are not digital. They just use a different format. It's pretty clear they they intend to use a SD card like format. SD cards go up to 32 GB which puts it on par with blu-ray. | |
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4 edits | Re: NextBOX I'm not talking about optical disc, which the next XBOX is rumored to support Blu-Ray so would end up having one, it's about game licensing and distribution. What I've been reading is that MS may actively combat the used game market. This would make their devs very happy since they wouldn't be competing against their own product.
And there is obviously a precedent for exclusive digital distribution that is hugely successful. The Apple App store, which is the exclusive distributor of software on iOS is a hit. Apple makes a mint, publishers make 70% without having to ship, print anything or press anything and being an agency model publishers set their own prices with Apple taking a flat percentage for all of the distribution.
Microsoft already has XBL Marketplace and already you can't transfer those licenses to other people. You are only permitted, once per year, to bulk transfer licenses to another XBOX on the same physical network (like a replacement console). So as far as XBL Marketplace, the used game market has already been destroyed.
Again, these are rumors, which is why I said, if true, I wouldn't buy one. I'm not going to pay $60-$70 for a title I'll beat in a week. I usually wait 6 months and get is for 1/2 price or less.
If physical or digitally distributed games aren't tied to an XBL account and I would be able to buy them used as I still can for DS and Vita (even if it requires formatting the card to wipe off the savegames) I'd get one. | |
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Camden, TN | Re: NextBOX said by skeechan:I'm not talking about optical disc, which the next XBOX is rumored to support Blu-Ray so would end up having one, Actually the latest rumors are that it WILL NOT have one.
MCV has learnt that Microsoft has been telling partners that the Next Xbox will NOT include a disc drive.
Although the console will not include a disc drive, it will offer compatibility with some sort of interchangeable solid-state card storage, although it is not known whether this will be proprietary or a more standard format such as SD.
»www.mcvuk.com/news/read/exclusiv···x/092534 | |
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kudos:2 | Re: NextBOX Then I hope they don't lock the games to an XLB account and they're just like Vita titles, game saves are tied to the account but you can delete the account info from the card and sell it (or in my case, buy it). | |
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Tulsa, OK | Re: NextBOX They love locking games to an account, means you can't let your friends borrow any, and if your account gets banned or hacked you lose every $$$ you spent on software.
I'd like to see someone making the claim to their insurance company that they need reimbursement for "lost" licenses as well.
Good luck with that.
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| Re: NextBOX If the games were priced like iOS games where even Madden is $2-$5 I wouldn't care. Those games are really dumbed down graphics while so say $15. I'd consider them disposable at that point just as I don't resell used games I buy. But the digital discounts in XBL Marketplace or with Vita are so small I can often find the physical game cheaper at Amazon (just like CDs are cheaper there than digital in the iTunes store). | |
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Tulsa, OK | They'll make it proprietary and expensive, don't kid yourself. | |
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Tulsa, OK | They are always looking for ways to take more money and deliver less.
The way I view it, if a game has no physical media and cannot be transferred (Ie sold or traded) it should be AT MOST 1/3rd the original price.
However, that's not how THEY see it. They think they should be able to get FULL RATE ($50-$60) a title PLUS you can't resell or trade it off later, plus it has no physical media or box.
It needs to be both, with digital being a lot cheaper. I suspect it would take a law to make them allow transfers of used software, and that just isn't going to happen in this era of Copyright Fascism.
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Tulsa, OK | Re: NextBOX Steam has been pretty successful. I agree however that high speed internet would have to ubiquitous for physical media to go away.... and then there's caps and overages to consider.
However, what will go, much sooner, is well on the way now, will be the ability to trade off/lend out/re-sell your old software.
They'll kill the resell market by linking everything to "use-once" licenses that require online authentication to play. You won't be able to "re-use" a license if you want to sell or trade an old software.
I think this is wrong, personally, but I don't expect it to change.
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kudos:2 | Re: NextBOX EA kinda did that with the registration keys to play some of their console titles online (e.g. Madden). If you wanted to play it on another console with a different PSN account you had to pony up for an additional online play key. | |
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Tulsa, OK | Re: NextBOX Yes, this is the way it is going. | |
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Tulsa, OK | Re: NextBOX Yeah, PC gaming is going to the same model, though. | |
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kudos:2 | Since Madden is starting to REALLY suck I'm not going to miss it much anyway. I'll stick with Madden 10 and be happy about it. | |
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KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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Tulsa, OK | Wow. FoxNews LightSquared propaganda Looks like they are more interested in attacking the Obama administration and the FCC so they are casting it in a very favorable way to LightSquared--- blaming GPS lobbyists and the FCC.
Of course, FoxNews has never really ever been concerned with reporting the truth when a good political hatchet job will do instead.
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"LightSquared is yet another example of the Obama administration using the regulatory process to halt private investment from creating tens of thousands of new jobs in a sputtering economy."
Yes, of course, "Obama's plan." 
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kudos:4 | Re: Wow. FoxNews LightSquared propaganda another uninformed comment by FauxNews | |
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kudos:5 | said by KrK:Looks like they are more interested in attacking the Obama administration and the FCC so they are casting it in a very favorable way to LightSquared--- blaming GPS lobbyists and the FCC.
Of course, FoxNews has never really ever been concerned with reporting the truth when a good political hatchet job will do instead.
The article was not a foxnews effort. It was done by 2 guest commenters. Every news network has frequent op-Ed contributors.
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| | KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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Tulsa, OK | Re: Wow. FoxNews LightSquared propaganda Yeah, it's an opinion piece on FoxNews.com
A dumb opinion piece, but oh well. I'm sure they like it because of it's title.
And I'm sure most people will believe it, too.
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Washington, DC | True, but they went ahead and published it and they very much respect Grover Norquist over there who wrote it. So it is fair to criticize them for it.
That said kudos to Norquist for claiming that the Pentagon was somehow a shill of the GPS industry and not in any way concerned that a vital national asset would be put at risk by this plan which should never have been approved in the first place. Yep, damn the government for propping up that free to access GPS infrastructure that has become vital in countless aspects of our society. | |
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2 edits | Re: Wow. FoxNews LightSquared propaganda said by chimera:True, but they went ahead and published it and they very much respect Grover Norquist over there who wrote it. So it is fair to criticize them for it.
That said kudos to Norquist for claiming that the Pentagon was somehow a shill of the GPS industry and not in any way concerned that a vital national asset would be put at risk by this plan which should never have been approved in the first place. Yep, damn the government for propping up that free to access GPS infrastructure that has become vital in countless aspects of our society.
Norquist is a complete waste of air, a self-serving, self-righteous, ego-maniacal and traitorous sycophant that is desperately in need of... being dealt with. But, it is entertaining watching how he and his ilk can twist any random subject into an anti-Obama rant. 
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Mullica Hill, NJ | Of course Obama is trying to kill Lightsquared...
I mean how dare scientific facts get in the way of Fox throwing mud at Obama...
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Charlotte, NC | Re: Wow. FoxNews LightSquared propaganda If Obama suggested that no one making over $250K a year did not have to pay taxes they would be against it. | |
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Washington, DC | Re: Wow. FoxNews LightSquared propaganda Of course they would complain about that, and rightly so. It's clearly socialist drivel. If he was REALLY dedicated to righting the economy he would impose a -2% tax on all people making over one million dollars per year like Roland Regan would. | |
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Canyon Country, CA | Re: Wow. FoxNews LightSquared propaganda Good old Roland Regan...
We are still digging out of the hole Reagan dug with his tax cutting and runaway spending. Unless you are in the outsourcing business, Reagan began the processes that destroyed American industry and turned us into a nation of bus boys and landscapers.. | |
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Canonsburg, PA | Re: Wow. FoxNews LightSquared propaganda said by DavePR:Good old Roland Regan...
We are still digging out of the hole Reagan dug with his tax cutting and runaway spending.
Totally False! Don't you remember that Clinton balanced the budget. The hole we're in is totally the fault of "W" and "O". They're just opposite sides of the George Soros & Goldman Sachs coin. | |
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I mean how dare facts get in the way of you guys throwing mud at fox.. | |
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Milford, CT | MS RDP flaw... Gee, MS builds a 'feature' right into the OS to allow it to be controlled remotely and someone figures out a way to use it to take control of people's systems. Wow, didn't see that one coming... | |
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Atlanta, GA | Comcast blaming... Anyone who lets a company, any company but especially Comcast, autobill... well... is just too stupid to get any sympathy from me when they get shafted.
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| | | Re: Comcast blaming... Not autobll issue. WellsFargo sent erroneous file to Comcast billing provider and the fake payment posted on sub's account. | |
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Billings, MT | Wells Fargo screwed the pooch here. I wonder if they'll reverse the $25 charge and any OD fees. | |
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| | | said by fuziwuzi:Anyone who lets a company, any company but especially Comcast, autobill... well... is just too stupid to get any sympathy from me when they get shafted.
Auto-bill to credit card, and dispute charges that aren't right. Solved? | |
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KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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Tulsa, OK | It's amazing how much energy some STB's and DVR's waste. If you can feel the heat pouring from them, they are wasting energy, and you have to pay twice, once to generate the heat and then again to remove it. Some of these boxes are so hot they have to be on top of your components or alone or they'll overheat equipment.... and the sad thing is, even when they are "Off" they use the same amount of power.
It's really poor design.
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