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by Revcb 07:32AM Friday Mar 09 2012

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Smith6612
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Xbox losing Disk drives

This sounds like a step in the right direction. I know a major problem with some Xboxes is that they have the tendency to actually destroy disks just by playing games for too long. Microsoft I hope isn't planning some odd, proprietary memory card medium, but if they do start distributing games on SD Cards that would be pretty nice. 8GB cards aren't super expensive and the saved games can be stored in the CD card itself, if not on a hard drive.

On the topic of the Hard Drive, I certainly hope Microsoft stops trying to sell their current hard drives. The prices on those things are ridiculous, and you're often better going out, buying any old laptop hard drive, hacking the firmware and formatting the drive to work with the Xbox 360.

88615298
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Re: Xbox losing Disk drives

said by Smith6612:

8GB cards aren't super expensive and the saved games can be stored in the CD card itself, if not on a hard drive.

I would hope they use something larger than 8 GB. XBOX 360 games are close to 8 GB. Minimum would have to be 16 GB and possibly 32 GB.

On the topic of the Hard Drive, I certainly hope Microsoft stops trying to sell their current hard drives. The prices on those things are ridiculous, and you're often better going out, buying any old laptop hard drive, hacking the firmware and formatting the drive to work with the Xbox 360.

They make money for them why would they stop doing that?
zod5000

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said by Smith6612:

This sounds like a step in the right direction. I know a major problem with some Xboxes is that they have the tendency to actually destroy disks just by playing games for too long. Microsoft I hope isn't planning some odd, proprietary memory card medium, but if they do start distributing games on SD Cards that would be pretty nice. 8GB cards aren't super expensive and the saved games can be stored in the CD card itself, if not on a hard drive.

On the topic of the Hard Drive, I certainly hope Microsoft stops trying to sell their current hard drives. The prices on those things are ridiculous, and you're often better going out, buying any old laptop hard drive, hacking the firmware and formatting the drive to work with the Xbox 360.

I'm not sure I agree with the removal of disc drives in consoles. It basically kills the resell, renting, lending market. If you can only buy online, then there's no competition for pricing of games either.

It will make gaming a more expensive hobby. One supplier and no resale value. You won't be able to rent games either (which saves alot of money). You won't be able to borrow a friends game once they are done with it.

Then you have lots of areas with mediocre internet connections. If current games borderline on 8 gigs (even more for multidisc games), its going to suck to download all the data before playing (especially if you're in a broadband dark zone, or your only broadband is slow dsl, or you have low caps etc...).

I agree that the gaming companies want to go digital. It cuts out the middle man (like walmart), it reduces competition, and it destroys the used game market. I don't think the customers are as likely to want to adopt digital only.

I currently have a 360 and a PS3. If the 360 in the next gen doesn't have an optical drive I'd easily buy a ps4. My ps3 is also my bluray player. I figured the next gen I'd consolidate to one console, I don't think it will be the 360.

One additional note. I think the main driving force on this move is piracy. The DVD drive in the 360 has been its weakest point security wise. Time and time again its been compromised. Every time they try a new copy protection, some genuis cracks it. I'm pretty sure digital only is because of how easily the 360 drive was continually hacked. I think it will alienate paying customers though.

edit: If this is a move to use their own format, then I understand it. Using a format as common as DVD wasn't the greatest move to prevent piracy. When the 360 came out 6-7 years ago DVD was already a common format. Burners and Discs were/are cheap. If they use their own format it would be so much harder to compromise. Which is why I don't think they would use standard SD cards.
Rekrul

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Milford, CT
said by Smith6612:

This sounds like a step in the right direction. I know a major problem with some Xboxes is that they have the tendency to actually destroy disks just by playing games for too long. Microsoft I hope isn't planning some odd, proprietary memory card medium, but if they do start distributing games on SD Cards that would be pretty nice. 8GB cards aren't super expensive and the saved games can be stored in the CD card itself, if not on a hard drive.

They won't be using SD cards, or any type of memory card for physical distribution. Memory cards are much more expensive compared to Blu-Ray discs.

If the new Xbox doesn't have a disc drive, then they'll be relying on digital downloads for getting games onto the console, just like the PS Vita.

This eliminates the manufacturing costs and kills the used game market, both of which are wet dreams for the game companies. Plus, if it has backwards compatibility with the previous Xbox models, they can force people to pay a second time for games that they already own to be able to play them on the new console.

Then you'll probably have an upgrade market. If the games are going to be distributed by digital download, that will mean that they need to be stored completely on the hard drive and with games of 10-20GB in size, people aren't going to be able to have a large game collection, like they can with discs. They'll need to upgrade the HD to have more storage space.

And just as a recent online article warned, even more culture will be lost to time.

Think about it, how can you preserve video games that only exist as digital downloads on a closed, proprietary system? A decade from now, I can still pop a game into the original Xbox, or even the Atari for that matter, and play the games. But where are you going to get games for the Xbox720 (or whatever it's called) a year after MS decides to dump it in favor of the Xbox1440?

CaptainRR
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Re: Xbox losing Disk drives

What about that masses that can't get broadband? This thing will be useless to them.

88615298
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said by Rekrul:

They won't be using SD cards, or any type of memory card for physical distribution. Memory cards are much more expensive compared to Blu-Ray discs.

If the new Xbox doesn't have a disc drive, then they'll be relying on digital downloads for getting games onto the console, just like the PS Vita.

Actually the Vita uses cards.



And they are cheaper than Blu-ray discs because MS won't have to pay Sony a royalty for using the discs or the drives in the next XBOX

This kills the used game market, which is wet dream for the game companies.

They are already doing this by requiring codes to be entered to play games and they can only be used once. So when someone buys a used game they have to pay $10 to get that code.

Think about it, how can you preserve video games that only exist as digital downloads on a closed, proprietary system? A decade from now, I can still pop a game into the original Xbox, or even the Atari for that matter, and play the games. But where are you going to get games for the Xbox720 (or whatever it's called) a year after MS decides to dump it in favor of the Xbox1440?

I'm not worried about that the XBOX 1440 won't be out until 2021 at the earliest. Also people who have Steam don't seem to have issues with downloading games.
Rekrul

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Re: Xbox losing Disk drives

said by 88615298:

Actually the Vita uses cards.

I didn't know that. The last time I read anything about the Vita was before its launch and they were speculating that it would be digital download only.

I guess video game systems have come full circle. They started with cartridges, then went to discs, and now they're back to (a form of) cartridges again.

said by 88615298:

They are already doing this by requiring codes to be entered to play games and they can only be used once. So when someone buys a used game they have to pay $10 to get that code.

I know and it sucks. The majority of my software was bought used. I think I've only bought one game while it was still new. This is one of the reasons I prefer older games that didn't have this bullshit.

said by 88615298:

I'm not worried about that the XBOX 1440 won't be out until 2021 at the earliest.

More like 2018 or so. New console releases are getting closer and closer together. Before you know it, they'll be coming out every 2-3 years, just like Windows.

said by 88615298:

Also people who have Steam don't seem to have issues with downloading games.

That's because at the moment, they can re-download anything they want. Wait until Valve drops support for older games, or their license to distribute someone else's games, like Ritual or Lucasarts, runs out and people can no longer re-download them, or even authorize the copies that they have.

Then there's the issue of what happens if Valve ever goes out of business or gets bought by another company. I know that looks unlikely right now, but it's rare for a video game company to last forever. Yeah, I know that the president of Valve promised that they'd release a patch if that were to ever happen, but unless he's willing to put that in writing, it doesn't mean squat. And even if he truly meant it and plans to uphold that promise, are Lucasarts and all the other companies who distribute games through Steam, going to give them permission to effective disable the copy protection on their games? I very much doubt it.

There's also the problem that digital downloads of older games aren't always the same as the original retail release. A couple years ago, companies were selling downloads of the games Thief and Thief II which won't even run on most modern systems without using fan-made patches, but since the downloads came with a DRM wrapper, the patches didn't work. Meaning that people who bought a legal download couldn't even play the game. Sometimes, retail expansion packs, or user mods, don't work on downloaded copies either.

Call me crazy if you want, but I won't buy any game that I can't re-install and play any time I want, without having to get some company's permission to do so. If that's the requirement for a game that I really want, I'll download a pirated copy instead.

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I don't mind the xBox losing the drive as long as the user has the choice to add drives or NAS themselves.
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This has nothing what so ever to do with Piracy. And everything to do with killing the used game market. They get nothing from used games and want it dead. just like the MAFIAA wants used movies/music to die.

But current US laws make it illegal for them to stop the used market through the courts, they cannot legally sue a used dealer. But they can simply make used impossible by going digital.
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88615298
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Re: Xbox losing Disk drives

said by Kearnstd:

This has nothing what so ever to do with Piracy. And everything to do with killing the used game market. They get nothing from used games and want it dead. just like the MAFIAA wants used movies/music to die.

But current US laws make it illegal for them to stop the used market through the courts, they cannot legally sue a used dealer. But they can simply make used impossible by going digital.

Have you played a game lately? Many games require a special code to play. So when that game is sold on the used market that person has to pay $10 for a new code. So game makers are killing off the used market already.

88615298
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Next Xbox to lose the disc drive, says MCV

So no backwards compatibility with the 360 then. I wonder if people will have a shitfit over this like they have and still do with the PS3s lack of backwards compatibility with the PS2?

n2jtx

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4G

I am rather sad that Apple knuckled under to AT&T's marketing BS and modified the iPhone so that it would lie. HSPA/HSPA+ is not 4G. First generation LTE may qualify (at least I consider LTE to be the fourth generation technology) but AT&T and T-Mobile are not running 4G technology. The fact that Apple is now willing to bend to the carriers will does not bode well for the future of Apple devices. Next thing I suppose we will see is all the crapware like you get on Android devices. I had a chance to play with a new Sprint Evo Desire 4G and it was like playing with a brand new PC. Garbage icons everywhere.
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JonBoySC

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Re: 4G

»www.apple.com/iphone/compare-iphones/

According to Apple, the GSM version of the iPhone 4 and 4S use the same cellular technology... wonder why at&t didn't give the 4 the 4G bump on the site... peculiar.
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Re: 4G

said by JonBoySC:

wonder why at&t didn't give the 4 the 4G bump on the site... peculiar.

Because both parties want to realize the premium of selling more 4S models?
JonBoySC

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Re: 4G

I realize that; I was just being a little facetious.

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said by n2jtx:

I am rather sad that Apple knuckled under to AT&T's marketing BS and modified the iPhone so that it would lie. HSPA/HSPA+ is not 4G. First generation LTE may qualify (at least I consider LTE to be the fourth generation technology) but AT&T and T-Mobile are not running 4G technology. The fact that Apple is now willing to bend to the carriers will does not bode well for the future of Apple devices. Next thing I suppose we will see is all the crapware like you get on Android devices. I had a chance to play with a new Sprint Evo Desire 4G and it was like playing with a brand new PC. Garbage icons everywhere.

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LTE-A is 4G
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battleop

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How Charter fights dirty to kill community competition

Sounds like the town is pissed that their FTTH network has stiff competition. The main argument that most of these local governments is that no one will come and build the FTTH network. Looks like they did in this case and now they have a private and publicly owned FTTH network in the same town. On top of that Charter is jumping in to compete as well.

Now the local government owned FTTH provider is crying that they have competition. This is going to end with the tax payer paying the bill.
bdnhsv

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Re: How Charter fights dirty to kill community competition

Do a search for Scottsboro, AL and Charter to see a similar situation that happened a few years ago. Charter offered everything they had at the time for $19.95 (tv, internet, dvr, vod, etc) to try and drive the city out of the business.

battleop

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Re: How Charter fights dirty to kill community competition

This is why it's bad for Government to gamble with taxpayers money to compete with private business.
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bdnhsv

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Re: How Charter fights dirty to kill community competition

I respectfully disagree. The city of Scottsboro is still in the internet/tv/phone business and the rates there are more competitive than in surrounding areas where there is less competition. I'd prefer to see 3 or 4 companies compete and drive prices down, but if there are only 1 or 2 companies in a local market then by all means I'd support a local city or utility company entering the fray to mix things up. There's a reason why large cable and phone companies don't overbuild each other - they want to have monopolies/duopolies and keep prices elevated.

battleop

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Re: How Charter fights dirty to kill community competition

"I'd prefer to see 3 or 4 companies compete and drive prices down,"

Me too but once a Muni gets it's hooks in no one will even think of investing in that city.
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