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2 edits | Columnist trashes Apple's Leopard - calls it new Vista
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I'm not sure what ticks me off more about Leoptard (I can't take credit for that nicknamesome Brit coined it): the fact that so many of the semi-important changes don't work, the fact that Apple turned a stable OS into a crash-happy glitz fest, or that the annoying, scruffy Live Free or Die Hard actor infecting my TV (and our Web site, by the way) is pretending that Leopard is better than Vista. It's not better than Vista. Leopard is Vista. And Tiger is better than both of them!
Let's see, Tiger crashedoh yeah, NEVER. Ten months and I'm installing everything from production-level Office for the Mac 2004 to 0.x releases of VLC, Seashore, and Ectoeven betas of Firefox and Parallels. Whatever my nerdy little heart desires. I've had those early apps crash, but Tiger never faltered.
A month of using Leopard with the same software I had under Tiger and the OS has dumped six times. That's six cold reboots for Oliver. Apple isn't even honest enough to admit that Leopard is crashing: The OS just grays out my desktop and pops up a dialog box telling me I've got to reboot.
Leopard is the new Vista. All the way. And here are five examples.
Vista Similarity 1: Wait for a Service PackPerpetually Even our own reviewer, who loves Leopard, says not to upgrade until 10.5.1. And now that Apple has coughed that up, he'll probably say to wait for 10.5.2. Or .3. Now where have I heard that advice before? Oh yeah, every time I reviewed Vista.
Vista Similarity 2: Needless Graphics Glitz Then there's the new look. Vista comes out and we're all wondering, what was the big deal about window transparency? Poof, here's Leopard, and the first thing the Apple folks want to show me is window transparency.
Vista Similarity 3: Pointless User Interface "Fixes" Then there's how Microsoft screwed up Vista's UI, reorganizing things that didn't need to be reorganizedlike the networking screens, for example. Not to be left behind, Apple has messed up its own UI, too, but Apple did it with piles of senseless graphics enhancements. Users either have to deal with these or learn some nasty hack to kill them off. So much for ease of use.
Vista Similarity 4: Nuked Networking Microsoft made a big deal out of Vista's completely redesigned TCP/IP networking stack, with a big part specifically intended to make wireless networking easier and more stable. And the OS did that fine. Only problem is, now wired networking tends to drop mysteriously every once in a while. Leopard's networking sees the physical part of the network just fine, wired or wireless. And if there's an AFP share, that pops up like a puppy for a doggie treat. But the Web abounds in complaintsplaintive cries as to why Leopard seems to ignore Windows shares, and semi-effectual fixes. Or it sees Windows shares for a little while and then in a fit of pique decides to drop them again. It's like the French waiter of networking.
Vista Similarity 5: Bundled Apps as New Features That Suck This drives me nuts. With Vista, it was SideShow. For Leopard, the sad bundled app-as-feature is Time Machine. To hear Mac moonies tell it, this is the best thing to happen to backup since the letter b. In reality, however, it sucketh and it sucketh huge. Try putting a new Apple user in front of this app and see what happens. For one, you can't set up Time Machine from within Time Machine. How is that easy? You'll find some of the settings buried in System Settings and others in Time Machine. Vista's backup works over a network. In its ads Apple blithely says that Time Machine can, too, but when you read the fine printor try it in real lifeyou discover that Time Machine works with USB- or FireWire-connected drives only. Really? In 2007?
Let's get it straight, however: I'm not any more against Leopard than I am against Vista. Both of them got too much wrong. I'll close with a little tidbit for that pudgy PC guy in the Apple commercials who's so sad because his users are "downgrading" to XP. Well, maybe they areI know I did. But I'm writing this on an XP workstation right now because my Mac is busy reinstalling Tiger. Leopard can keep its glitzy crash-prone spots. I'll stick with the OS that really "just works"for now. Sounds like Apple finally tripped up on their new OS. -- Internet News My BLOG My Web Page
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| Re: Columnist trashes Apple's Leopard - calls it new Vista I like some things about vista, but my biggest gripe, as the author stated, was that the user GUI was un-necessarily redesigned. What I find really funny is that you have the choice between the Vista start menu, and Windows 95. You'd think as capable MS is at writing software, that they'd give you an option to chose from more than just the two. If they gave an option for the XP start menu, and to be able to re-organize the GUI to be more like XP, I'd be ok with it.
My only other gripe is that stupid "XX is trying to XX - do you approve?" oi.
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| I've been using leopard since the day it came out, using all the major apps (including messing around with 4 gigabyte+ files in photoshop, recording music in soundtrack pro, and creating simulations in mathematica.) and I think it's safe to say that I haven't been easy on my machine, but yet I haven't had one issue yet. Leopard works great, I love the new features, and time machine practically set up itself. I've even noticed speed improvements. My only problem with leopard so far is in stacks, namely it's stupid that you can't scroll them and they don't move with the dock as it magnified. Other than that, leopard is the best thing that's happened to my mac. Especially quicklook and spaces. I dunno... maybe I'm just lucky | |
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1 edit | I had some problems with Vista 64 with the flash player. IE was taking a minute to close, apparently vista has its own version of flash, you cannot uninstall it, and you have to use another version for IE. The one for IE got an update and started slowing the program, I uninstalled it, and went and got the new version standalone and it seems to be ok now.
I moved a hard drive and added one, one of my SATA ports is wonky. Guess I didnt follow the right Vista directions, which they say to uninstall the drives in the device manager, never had to before ... :P This ended up disabling the media center as it was using the drive for storage. There were 2 hero's episodes on the drive and Vista would not let me move them on my own computer, this pisses me off to no end. I ended up re-formatting that drive and reset the storage in media center and now it works.
I have xp on another machine, and was thinking about getting a version of xp 64 and trying it out on this one and dual boot. -- Do ye, quieting in your bosoms your strong hearts, Who of many good things have had your fill even to surfeit, With what is moderate nourish your mighty desire; for neither will We yield, nor shall you have all else as you wish. Solon | |
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| I'm running Leopard since release day with very few problems.
As a matter of fact, I'm running Leopard on this machine, and it's very very stable.
I'm not going to bullshit and say it's been trouble free, but after I got past the upgrade issues (I did and archive install, and everything since has been %100) I've had ZERO problems with Leopard.... -- Petty people are disproportionably corrupted by petty power
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3 edits | I have a lot of Macs and since 10.4.8 and on I've seen quite a few quirks with every point release. Vista certainly is no prize but now that 3rd party vendors have improved their drivers, reliability of my Vista media centers is nearly as well as I see with Leopard where Apple totally controls the hardware. On my Mac Pro, Vista runs perfectly, both natively and virtually.
It seems to me that perhaps Apple is branching out too fast and losing focus on its core business and it shows in a lack of quality control.
As I stated in another thread, Leopard has so many new features that a public beta was warranted. A lot of these problems, like I'm having would have certainly been caught early and fixed prior to release.
Then there are the issues with the upgrade in place features. If the upgrade is place feature is so unreliable (as Mac zealots seem to blame users for problems if they use the feature) Apple should have eliminated it and forced everyone to clean install or archive and install. Don't include it if it doesn't work.
I totally agree...Apple has FINALLY tripped up Leopard. I'd revert to 10.4.7 but I'm lazy and will stick it out. | |
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| In Other News The writer strike will affect Battlestar Gallactica  Watched that "Razor" show last week, which was sort of interesting, but at the end they said that the regular series would continue in MARCH '08. Earlier they claimed it'd be January. I've already started losing interest, they wait much longer and they'll have lost one of their best shows to relative obscurity (kind of like lots of sci-fi, tragically)
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1 edit | Facebook switches to ad opt-in over privacy concerns
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Seeking to keep the peace in its popular online hangout, Facebook Inc. has overhauled a new advertising system that sparked privacy complaints by turning its users into marketing tools for other companies.
Under the changes outlined late Thursday, Facebook's 55 million users will be given greater control over whether they want to participate in a three-week-old program that circulates potentially sensitive information about their online purchases and other activities.
Facebook provided two different opportunities to block the details from being shared, but many users said they never saw the "opt-out" notices before they disappeared from the screen.
With the reforms, Facebook promised its users will now have to give their explicit consent, or "opt-in," before any information is passed along.
The concessions were made after more than 50,000 Facebook users signed an online petition blasting the system, called "Beacon," as a galling intrusion that put the Palo Alto-based startup's pursuit of profit ahead of its members' privacy interests.
More than 40 different Web sites, including Fandango.com, Overstock.com and Blockbuster.com, had embedded Beacon in their pages to track transactions made by Facebook users.
Unless instructed otherwise, the participating sites alerted Facebook, which then notified a user's friends within the social network about items that had been bought or products that had been reviewed. A user revolt prompted Facebook to act. They will have to figure out another way to suck in ad revenue if most people refuse to opt-in.
The revolt started up about a week ago: »{satire} Facebook user ends relationship when he saw ... -- Internet News My BLOG My Web Page
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1 edit | Re: Facebook switches to ad opt-in over privacy concerns Facebook for StarWars, brought to you by Yahoo! "NOTICE: We collect personal information on this site. To learn more about how we use your information, see our Privacy Policy"
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| Death Catches up to Evel Knievel »www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314388,00.html
I just check Ebay there is not much of a death bump, yet it not been three hours since the story broke somebody is selling already selling Evel Knievel tribute ribbons. Shewed entrepreneurs or just cold. | |
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1 edit | Re: Iconic daredevil Evel Knievel dies at 69 said by txrocks :Bummer... Yeah, thats a bummer alright. It was bound to happen, no one gets out of this place alive. I'm actually surprised he made it as far as he did, given the industry he's in. RIP. -- And so castles made of sand, slip into the sea, eventually.
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| Is cablevision too good to be true? I've always liked cablevision. Really fast internet speeds, triple play, interactive TV and games, and SA boxes. Now I find this article:
Cablevision cooks up more HD channels By Mike Robuck
Cablevision said yesterday that it will be spicing up its HD lineup with the addition of Food Network HD and HGTV HD.
The new channels give Cablevisions digital customers in its tri-state footprint a total of 44 high-definition programming choices.
"These are great marquee additions to an iO TV HD lineup that has already doubled over the last year," said John Trierweiler, Cablevision's SVP of product management. "We know our iO TV customers will enjoy the opportunity to experience these leading lifestyle networks with the superior picture and sound of high-definition."
Cablevision is competing against satellite and telco operators, but unlike its competitors, it does not charge more for HD-capable converter boxes or charge extra fees for HD programming.
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"total of 44 high-definition programming choices."
I only get 22 HD channels with Comcast.
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| Re: Rough Week said by NY Tel :said by Jeffrey :Probably one of the roughest weeks I've had in a while, work wise. I think I'm going to crack open one of my favorite 6-packs of Sierra Nevada Pale Ale and dial into The Big Lebowski, and call it a night. I'm not really into White Russians, but if I was, it would be perfect. ME too...had to admit the MIL to a psych facility (voluntary) but it has been so, so ,so very stressful on the family. I'm gong to take up drinking so I can be admitted to the adjacent floor at the hospital. Sorry to hear that, but you're lucky she went voluntarily. My father's sister suffers from Schizophrenia, and has decided that her medication is not needed. She will not voluntarily go to a facility, so it's tough on the family.
We had to admit an older relative to the hospital tonight for severe back pain due to a back injury, so it's been a lovely week overall.
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