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06:26PM Friday Apr 04 2008 by Karl
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It's Friday, so take off your shoes, put up your feet, and empty your head into the comment section below.

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April 4th, @06:41PM

US Air Force developing DDOS capabilities

»www.news.com/U.S.-reveals-plans-···ubj=news

The U.S. Air Force Cyber Command is developing capabilities to inflict denial of service, confidential data loss, data manipulation, and system integrity loss on its adversaries, and to combine these with physical attacks, according to a senior U.S. general.

Air Force Cyber Command (AFCYBER) »www.afcyber.af.mil/ , a U.S. military unit set up in September 2007 to fight in cyberspace, is due to become fully operational in the autumn under the aegis of the U.S. Eighth Air Force.

"Offensive cyberattacks in network warfare make kinetic attacks more effective, (for example) if we take out an adversary's integrated defense systems or weapons systems," Elder said. "This is exploiting cyber to achieve our objectives."

Other causes for military concern include possible supply-chain vulnerabilities, where vulnerabilities are introduced into chipsets during manufacturing that an adversary can then exploit, and electronics vulnerabilities.
US is vulnerable because an enemy now makes most of our electronics - CHINA.

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Re: US Air Force developing DDOS capabilities

This is pretty old news dude.

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This is pretty old news dude.
But he is the news dude.
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This is pretty old news dude.


U.S. reveals plans to hit back at cyberthreats
By Tom Espiner
Special to CNET News.com Published: April 4, 2008 9:18 AM PDT
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Re: US Air Force developing DDOS capabilities

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said by Mchart See Profile :

This is pretty old news dude.


U.S. reveals plans to hit back at cyberthreats
By Tom Espiner
Special to CNET News.com Published: April 4, 2008 9:18 AM PDT
That information has been up on the AFPortal for eons now.

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Re: US Air Force developing DDOS capabilities

I hadn't seen it before....

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Hmm, interesting.

I would say any country that ties their critical systems to the Internet so foreign powers can touch them is foolish.

I highly doubt either China (they are the enemy? - ok) or the United States has such systems exposed.

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Hmm, interesting.

I would say any country that ties their critical systems to the Internet so foreign powers can touch them is foolish.

I highly doubt either China (they are the enemy? - ok) or the United States has such systems exposed.
You would have thought so. But that isn't the case:

»www.news.com/U.S.-reveals-plans-···ubj=news
The infrastructure the U.S. military uses to both launch and defend against cyberattacks runs through the public Internet system. Military networks such as the Global Information Grid are linked to U.S. government and critical national infrastructure systems, which in turn are linked to the public Internet. Adversary systems are subverted by the U.S. military through public channels--however, this also leaves the U.S. military open to attack through the same channels, said Elder.

"The infrastructure on which the Air Force depends is controlled by both military and commercial entities and is vulnerable to attacks and manipulation," Elder said.

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Re: US Air Force developing DDOS capabilities

To attack the public internet, you have to be on the public internet.

My point is :

[Critical] systems are NOT on the public internet

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To attack the public internet, you have to be on the public internet.

My point is :

[Critical] systems are NOT on the public internet
If only you knew.

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Re: US Air Force developing DDOS capabilities

care to digress?

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»https://www.my.af.mil/faf/FAF/fafHome.jsp

I'd be pretty scared for my own security if someone got into that. Many what you call 'critical' systems are definatly attackable from the outside world.

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Re: US Air Force developing DDOS capabilities

Um, thats not a critical system.

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Re: US Air Force developing DDOS capabilities

I'd consider DISN to be critical.
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I'd consider DISN to be critical.
I wouldn't. I'd consider the strategic nuclear silos, ICBM detection system or Predator Drone piloting system to be critical systems.
Oh no! DISN is down? Now we have to pick up a phone and do stuff the old fashioned way! Inconvenient? Sure. Critical? No.

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a public webserver is not a [Critical] system

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a public webserver is not a [Critical] system
OK. You just keep telling yourself that. Obviously I don't know what i'm talking about. I'm just a lowly tech controller.

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Re: US Air Force developing DDOS capabilities

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said by longstreet See Profile :

a public webserver is not a [Critical] system
OK. You just keep telling yourself that. Obviously I don't know what i'm talking about. I'm just a lowly tech controller.
Are you saying the military puts their critical systems on the public internet?

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said by Mchart See Profile :

said by longstreet See Profile :

a public webserver is not a [Critical] system
OK. You just keep telling yourself that. Obviously I don't know what i'm talking about. I'm just a lowly tech controller.
Are you saying the military puts their critical systems on the public internet?
The news article does a good job at answering that I would think.

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Re: US Air Force developing DDOS capabilities

Don't avoid my question.

The news article is embellished.

Military web servers exposed to the world are not [critical] however, apparently, news.com columnists, being the internet security experts on government systems, seem to think so.

So, the news article is a poor qualifier for critical systems.

It's the same old sensationalist reporting.

The real truth is, classified systems are on a different, secured network completely separate from the public internet. How lowly are you? Just out of AIT?

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China is going to be a big problem, if they aren't already.

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I just got off work, I took off my shoes, but I don't think I want to put up my feet...*sniff*...mmmm *gag reflex*

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All you Stoners - YouTube featuring Rolling Stones

»news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080404/tc_···utube_dc
The Rolling Stones and the YouTube video Web site have teamed up to launch a new entertainment channel.

According to a statement from the band and record label Universal, fans can upload questions to the Stones about "Shine a Light," a new documentary about the veteran rockers directed by Martin Scorsese, as well as "any other burning questions."

"By visiting »www.youtube.com/livinglegends viewers will be able to upload footage of themselves asking their questions to Mick Jagger and/or Keith Richards," the statement said.

"The best questions will be personally answered, with the subsequent footage of the Rolling Stones available to watch exclusively on this new YouTube channel in a few weeks' time."

YouTube is featuring a short video clip of Jagger and Richards to promote the channel on the main page of its site in the United States and across much of Europe and Asia.

YouTube is launching a music channel called YouTube Living Legends which invites top pop acts from around the world to communicate with fans via the popular site.
Mick Jagger's nurse will wake him up & help him read & reply to the messages.

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPNg37jc···&index=0

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They'll need to hit Keith with the paddles - CLEAR!

My theory is that it's not really Keith, he died long ago...it's a robot replacement.

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I just found out today, to my amazement, that Texans had no clue what a Timbit was!
Ok, I'm from Texas. Lemme guess, is it just another word for ' Sancha ' ?
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The time is now...Beer:30

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Sprint delays Wimax "A G A I N"

»news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20080404/tc_nf/59141
Sprint will delay the commercial launch of WiMAX in key U.S. metropolitan areas by a couple of months. A soft launch of the wireless carrier's Xohm-branded mobile Internet service is already under way in the Chicago, Baltimore and Washington, D.C., areas.

Sprint Nextel spokesperson Jeff Chaltas said the hiatus is primarily to improve the backhaul side of the network. The upgrade will enable Sprint to more efficiently handle the huge amount of data traffic it expects when the wireless broadband service launches, he said.

The pause will give the wireless carrier some extra breathing room to host its Xohm Application Developer Program, tentatively slated for May. According to Sprint, the event will provide WiMAX developers with tools and processes for creating and launching products for Xohm's customer base.
It all makes sense, but Sprint keeps delaying and delaying and they will lose out to Verizon & AT&T who are moving to 3g/4g rapidly.
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Go Sprint! No caps, good prices, a reasonable TOS, open network. What more could ye need?

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Navajos in battle over USF funds & fraud

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The thousands of Navajo Nation residents who rely on the Internet to work, study and communicate across their 27,000-square-mile reservation will be out of luck Monday, if their service provider shuts access as planned.

A tribal audit last year revealed that Utah-based provider OnSat Network Communications Inc. may have double-billed the tribe, and it raised questions about how the tribe requested bids for the Internet contract.

Those discoveries led the Universal Service Administration Co., which administers the service under the Federal Communications Commission's E-rate program, to tell the tribe March 28 that it would withhold $2.1 million from OnSat.

Jim Fitting, an attorney for OnSat, said the delay in payment means it can't pay subcontractor SES Americom for satellite time.

"With USAC taking this particular position, it doesn't look like we're going to get paid in the foreseeable future," Fitting said. "We're already $4 million in the hole, so why should we continue doing it?"

Through the Washington, D.C.-based USAC, the FCC reimburses 85 percent to 90 percent of the costs for Internet service to 70 of the tribe's 110 chapter houses, which operate like city governments. The Navajo Nation covers the other 10 percent to 15 percent of the cost and offers service inside the chapter house and nearby through Wi-Fi.

The USAC told Navajo President Joe Shirley Jr. in a March 28 letter that it is withholding money for OnSat for 2006-07 because of the possible overbilling and because the tribe didn't comply with federal rules that require it to select the most cost-effective service or equipment through a fair, open and competitive bidding process.
Your USF contributions at work - perpetuating fraud for no one's benefit.
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Hiya

I'm bored on a Friday night, how sad.

My weekend is jam packed, gonna be in New York the entire time. Yankees game on Sunday!

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Sansri... go away.

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Shows my boredom akasha...

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Ok time for a heartwarming story for a change

N.Y. Neighborhood Unites To Find Cats After Crane Collapse

NEW YORK -- When a mammoth crane collapsed, wrecking a Manhattan brownstone and killing a woman inside, there was scant hope any life would emerge from the rubble. Six other people died in the accident.

Somehow, two cats survived.

One cat, Mr. Gloves, was found the day of the building collapse, huddled by a church door and coated in brick dust; the other, Gooksie, turned up 10 days later in an old coal chute under a nearby brownstone.

The four-legged creatures, whose owners, Jean Squeri and Kerry Walker, lived on the top floor of the demolished building, are now staying with the couple in Squeri's son's apartment.

"It's a miracle," said Gini Otway, a neighbor who led the search for the animals.

Otway lived two buildings away from the East 50 Street townhouse, not far from the United Nations, that was reduced to rubble in the March 15 tragedy.

A towering crane at a construction site a block away came crashing down, hitting the top of a highrise, then somersaulting across a block and demolishing the home.

Later that afternoon, Otway's doorbell rang.

A neighbor who knew she was a volunteer for the animal rescue group City Critters reported that she had spotted a black-and-white cat at a nearby church. Otway grabbed a carrying case and went down to see the young tuxedo cat.

"When I picked him up, he was rigid, totally traumatized," she said. "He must have been just blown out of the building. It was like picking up a piece of wood."

She took the animal to the ASPCA, where it had to be tranquilized before a veterinarian could examine it.

Otway suspected the cat belonged to Squeri and Walker, who she had heard owned two tuxedo cats -- the 8-month-old male, Mr. Gloves, and a 6-year-old female, Gooksie.

After calls to neighbors and friends, Otway learned that the couple was alive; they had been out of the house at the time of the accident.

They picked up Mr. Gloves at the ASPCA the next day. "It was tears all over," Otway said.

But Gooksie was still missing.

Otway asked everyone in the neighborhood if they had seen the cat, including firefighters and police on 24-hour duty at the scene. She put up posters with an image of a black-and-white cat.

Ten days later, a woman who lives in a nearby brownstone was sorting through belongings stored in the coal chute when suddenly, she noticed something scooting by.

"I peered under a work table, and I saw some eyes starting back at me," said Joy Brown.

Otway was again summoned, and feeling fairly certain it was Gooksie, she called the couple's son, John Viscardi. When he arrived, both he and Otway started crying.

Squeri and Walker are still too traumatized to talk about the experience, Viscardi said.

Otway said the 74-year-old Squeri was on her way to a drugstore when she saw the building owned by her family for 80 years disappear in a cloud of smoke and dust.

Amid the destruction, neighbors involved in the rescue have been heartened by the story of the rescued cats.

"It was all so horrendous, and yet, people were concerned and united to try to find these cats they didn't even know -- policemen, firefighters, neighbors, the Red Cross," Otway said. "As St. Paul said, this is about how to overcome evil with good."

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Re: Ok time for a heartwarming story for a change

That's a great story. Something good always comes out of something bad.
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That's a great story. Something good always comes out of something bad.
Yup, I agree. You read so much true life sh-t here sometimes about depressing things so I saw this item and posted it.
Glad you agree because anyone else who does not like it can bite me. (I've already started the Friday "home happy hour") as you all can see....lol

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Re: Ok time for a heartwarming story for a change

I always love great stories. In fact, MSNBC I noticed has one unique place, all for "good stories".

It's called "Wonderful World", and it's all about good news stories.

»www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13282721/

And yes, I've started my home happy hour. Me, a few nice Sierra Nevada's, some web browsing, the mets game, and the girlfriend. Who is a Yankee fan!!!! Grrr.
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Have a good one...

Im sick AGAIN WTF. too much stress i guess.

Besides that empty my head? Can i empty my headache on here tonight?

Cheers everyone.

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said by hayabusa3303 See Profile :

Im sick AGAIN WTF. too much stress i guess.

Besides that empty my head? Can i empty my headache on here tonight?

Cheers everyone.
A Centrum and B-complex, and 500mg of C every day, coupled with some sleep, water and exercise are your friends!

Feel better.
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Forced Volunteerism

School Bill Would Force Parents To Volunteer
Parents Who Don't Volunteer Would Face $100 Fine


CLEVELAND -- It's no secret that schools need volunteers in order to do more for students, but one proposed law in Indiana would make it a requirement for parents to volunteer at their children's school.

Parent Darlene Boyd has been volunteering at her grandchildren's school for six years. If the state legislature passes House Bill 519, she'll have a lot of company, Cleveland station WEWS reports.

The bill would require all parents to volunteer 13 hours each school year, either in the lunchroom, chaperoning field trips, or wherever the district needs help.

Research shows parents' involvement leads to student success, but Cleveland schools CEO Eugene Sanders said volunteerism is almost impossible to legislate.

"If there's a way to encourage it, create incentives -- that's the better way. The difficulty is what are your options to address it if it doesn't occur? Your legal options are limited in that kind of setting," Sanders said.

The bill's incentive is a $100 fine for parents who don't fulfill the requirement.

Franklin D. Roosevelt Academy Principal Sam Vawters said he can always use more parent volunteers, but he doesn't think that's the way to do it.

And Boyd agrees: "I wouldn't want anyone to be forced to come here. Either you want to be here or you don't."

According to the bill, if a parent doesn't fulfill the requirement and refuses to pay the fine, the money would be taken out of the parent's state tax refund.

House Bill 519 is sponsored by Sandra Williams (D-Cleveland) from District 11. You can e-mail her at district11@ohr.state.oh.us.

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RIAA hater produces own album

I am sure all the RIAA haters will love this guy. Me, I don't think so.

»www.news.com/8301-10784_3-991212···1_3-0-20
Charles Manson, convicted murderer and leader of the infamous Manson Family, has released the digital album One Mind over the Web.

Manson, who ordered the deaths of actress Sharon Tate, and seven others including Tate's unborn son, has issued the album under the Creative Commons license, which means anyone can listen or copy it as long as they don't use it for commercial purposes.

It's doubtful that anyone would want to buy Manson's music. Indeed, one of the reasons that Manson sent his minions to Tate's house to kill everybody in it was that he thought it was occupied by a record producer who had rejected his music.

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Guitar Center

Sucks. I ordered some pickups online for my guitar since the store here didn't have them. I got home and the box was here, so I opened it, and to my surprise I only got one when there's supposed to be two. I was mad . Called back and found out they shipped it wrong. But, I'm getting a new pair as soon as I send back the wrong one.

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sigh...

i am so tired of all the election BS already. why cant it be november already geezuz. politics.. sigh..
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Congrats and God bless!

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This week I took vista off a one year old Dell dual core pc, formatted the HD, then did a clean install of xpPRO. Wow......this pc screams now!
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said by digdug See Profile :

This week I took vista off a one year old Dell dual core pc, formatted the HD, then did a clean install of xpPRO. Wow......this pc screams now!
Two days ago I did the same thing! I've been running vista since I got my Dell Inspiron 531 desktop (Amd X2 5000+ (dual 2.6ghz cores) with 4GB ram and an nVidia 6800GT video card) Vista ran fast before, but DAMM Xp runs so much faster. XP runs faster than I can click. It really helped me unleash the power of this PC. Vista ran okay, I just wanted to see how much performance I could get out of XP and the difference astounded me.

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said by matt314159 See Profile :

said by digdug See Profile :

This week I took vista off a one year old Dell dual core pc, formatted the HD, then did a clean install of xpPRO. Wow......this pc screams now!
Two days ago I did the