 | | Kill the Copper This is why they should kill the copper and move into the wireless industry for internet, hell, even move the voice over to to it as well and give out UPS for everything, the same as other providers do. | |
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Royal Oak, MI | Re: Kill the Copper said by hyphenated :Wireless is a bad idea.
Not if you're in the telco industry. Half the service of cable for twice the price! | |
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| said by hottboiinnc:This is why they should kill the copper and move into the wireless industry for internet, hell, even move the voice over to to it as well and give out UPS for everything, the same as other providers do.
What if I want Fedex instead of UPS?
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| | They are too far behind I can get 50Mbps cable, but Frontier can only provide 1Mbps DSL to my address. The CO is less than 2 miles from here... | |
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| | | Re: They are too far behind All frontier is doing is helping the old Verizon customers and not the original Frontier customers. I just get 1Mbps and a couple miles up the road they get 3 Mbps. Frontier say they will upgrade sometime in the near future. | |
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1 edit | $? How much more for FTTP? If you put fiber that close to get 25mbits? Last time I've heard.. the aging copper is in NO condition to handle bonded vdsl in much of WV.. so is this a cherry picked project?
Really, West Virginia doesn't deserve new broadband unless they give back that 24 million dollars in the USF fiasco, and/or somebody goes to jail for it..
BTW, West Virginia's been the Canary in the telco mine for profit over deployment since 2003 when investors fought for redirection of the company after deciding on FTTP.. and it's been years since Verizon told WV to drop dead.. | |
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| Re: $? I am sure you are talking about the people that control the bucks and where they go.Not the actual folks that live here.
I as a West Virginian have as much right to a good sold fast connection as you do in the Big Apple. Do not judge the common man when the leader is to blame. We as common folk can only do so much.
True is the fact that copper lines is the Old Old copper that was run back years ago ( Like in the 50's)
It will not support top speeds. But when you factor in we do not even have 1.0 Mbps and are stuck on Dial up or Satellite. Pick your poison. I wish I had your three connections, or at least one option on low latency (Sub 200ms) DSL. | |
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| Re: $? said by Tweakbl:I am sure you are talking about the people that control the bucks and where they go.Not the actual folks that live here.
I as a West Virginian have as much right to a good sold fast connection as you do in the Big Apple. Do not judge the common man when the leader is to blame. We as common folk can only do so much.
True is the fact that copper lines is the Old Old copper that was run back years ago ( Like in the 50's)
It will not support top speeds. But when you factor in we do not even have 1.0 Mbps and are stuck on Dial up or Satellite. Pick your poison. I wish I had your three connections, or at least one option on low latency (Sub 200ms) DSL.
There should be a full investigation as to where blame should lie... if a librarian (or some other local offical) looked at an invoice showing total of 24 million dollars, and signed off on the installation without question.. then there is some culpability that as well (maybe losing their job as a punishment is in order).. obviously not the main responsibility.. but fraud & theft are fraud and theft-- grabbing 24 million dollars from the government under false pretenses is a crime and even ordinary citizens should know better. Apparently the major blame is with the state.. and they could be on the hook for that 24M if it's proven that they approve a nonsensical waste of taxpayer monies. I am sick and tired of government wasting taxpayer monies through fraud and abuse- then have apparent blanket immunity for doing so! 24 MILLION dollars could have gone to subsidizing FTTP, or cable coax construction and ensure local ISP competition.. instead it's wasted on hardware sitting in a box?!?
This is why all significant expendatures of the government should be posted ONLINE (before the money is spent)... open transparency and the light of day would knock much of this fraud & waste for a loop, because if people see it.. they wouldn't stand for it.. | |
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| Framtown WV to Rosedale WV. From Frametown WV to Rosedale WV now has Fiber on the pole and to the designated Dslam area's. They are waiting for the Equipment install order, I assume.
Dunno if this is the same hardware they are talking about in this article or if its related to the recent Contract Frontier announced with Hughesnet. That was announced. If it is my main concern will be Latency of a Hybrid Connection.
I can vouch that they (The State) wasted money buying Routers to the tune of $22,000 a pop when a $200 Router would have worked. | |
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3 edits | Re: USF fiasco??? said by wvbalrog:What exactly is the USF fiasco?
In a nutshell, the funds that you get surcharged on your monthly communications bill is supposed to go towards rural development. It actually didn't.
Click on the link in the article. The state bought up $22,000 enterprise class routers and put one of them in a small library with 4 computers, and more than 300 sitting in boxes. | |
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How could the state have been that stupid? Never mind, we're talking about government spending there. I KNOW how they could be that stupid!
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Royal Oak, MI | Re: USF fiasco??? said by cork1958:Wow!
How could the state have been that stupid? Never mind, we're talking about government spending there. I KNOW how they could be that stupid!
The only thing "stupid" was that it was discovered. Don't for a minute think that this wasn't a planned scam of some sort that didn't work out correctly. | |
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| | | | You were speaking about that, now I'm with you. It's called "crony capitalism" and it goes on all the time and everywhere. What does that have to do with Frontier Communications attempting to offer a good Internet speed? Nothing. As far as rural development, I don't think anyone should have to pay any fee for that. It should be market driven and none of any level of government's business. If you choose to live in a rural area which has less services (police, cell phone, sewer services, water service, Internet, etc.), that is your choice and possible loss. We are all paying a fee levied by the federal government on cell phone for universal access. No, I don't agree with that either.
Surely you aren't under the impression that crony capitalism occurs in WV only?? What about the hundreds of Billions of taxpayer dollars shipped to the banks in New York? | |
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| | | | Thing is this is happening all over the country. Ask the people who want cable and are told it is too far in the country to service. Also ask the people who live out of town 3 or 4 miles. They are also told the same thing. This is not just in west virginia it is in every part of the country. | |
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| | DSL?! I live in WV, and I would be happy to just GET DSL. We are not up a "holler" we are in a highly populated rural area between Huntington and Charleston. We are stuck with over priced, under performing (when it works at all) satellite.........  | |
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| | Its progress Being a network administrator and reading through the article about the 3945's, I would fire every single person involved. That is absolutely ridiculous. My company rolled out 440 2901's last year and we have no more than 6 computers in each location. We know they are complete over-kill, but we needed the 4 EHWIC slots that the 1900s can't offer us. I know my local school with approximately 350-400 computers used a 2901.
I have a few locations in West Virginia and they usually have decent DSL or cable service. I've read post after post about getting service outside of the main cities being a complete nightmare though. | |
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Manassas, VA | Re: Its progress I would do some more research on that whole 24Million perceived scandal. If you review the PO, the BOM for a single 3945 chassis could never have been replaced by a 2901 router. Based on the BOM it looks like they where trying to do a single chassis does it all solution.
The BOM includes a 16 port PoE switch service module. This means no need for an external switch. Sure you could do a cheap un-managed switch, but unless you have local IT support, the more you can see remotely the better. So if you combine your managed switch into the router, its a bonus.
Then they have the NAM module (Network Application Monitor) which gives you application response time, VoIP metrics monitoring, and the ability for remote data capture if your doing trouble shooting and this actually is a well speced if not slightly overspeced appliance.
I would have likely started with a 3925 chassis for most locations with a 3945 at larger, and saved an average of 4k a router. | |
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| | | | Re: Its progress I think the question that is begging to be asked though - why are hundreds of routers still in boxes? Also, for four computers/phones you could go with a lower ISRs.
My employer is a for profit business and we don't even use 3925s (we should, but we manage without them....a library could as well) | |
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| | Upgraded I just got this deal in Charles Town, WV. 25mbps for $72, which I think is rather high. Rep said I should expect between 20-24, much better than the 5 I've been receiving. Install is Friday so we'll see how it goes! | |
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| | | Re: Any idea? frontier is such a lame company! wish Verizon was here installing FIOS in the good ole hills of West Virginia! | |
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| Re: Any idea? No. Verizon is legal thieves. They scammed Frontier and also West Virginia. They can stay out of WV far as I am concerned. Frontier basically bought a old truck and is trying to make it show room quality. Many factors went into them buying into Verizons problem child. One factor is they never set foot outside the cities to see the poor shape the lines were in. (Fixed with Trash bags for YEARS/ Old Brittle burnt out copper/ junction boxes hit by Bushogs and patched together with Ductape and a prayer.)
I will take Frontier any day over Verizon. And yes I am serious. And I am Mad at Verizon. | |
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| | | It is available in Charleston, Frontier installed mine on the 24th. | |
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| | Thanks a lot Frontier! I called Frontier yet again asking when we would be getting DSL. The rep didn't know (as usual) but hey, he had good news for me!!!! He told me he could now offer DIAL UP to me! We were ready to party like it's 1999....... | |
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