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| Re: Lets get real here... yep i have a funny feeling this will get approved. I was hoping the state of west virginia wouldn't approve it but chances are frontier will promise them the moon and then sit on their tails and do nothing afterwards. That's ok I will just jump ship back to comcast if the state approves the sale. I already know they are blowing smoke up the state's rear in order to get it approved. | |
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| iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
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| Put a provision in there that the municipalities seize the network on bankruptcy and it's all good. Then just sit back for twelve months, watch Frontier fail and suddenly you've got the copper (and in some cases fiber) networks in the hands of people who actually care about serving the customers.
Since people are dropping landlines right and left, there should be more than enough pairs around to do pair-bonded ADSL2+ Annex M for everyone. Put AdrenaLine signal boosters on the pairs for folks farther away and you have 10/5 internet up to 20k feet from the CO, 20/5 at 15k feet. For folks beyond those lengths, use wireless, or allow reselling on the DSL links at a reasonable premium over the cost of the raw bandwidth, so WISPs can pick up the slack from there.
No, copper isn't the ultimate answer for communications, but if you can make sure lines are at halfway-decent quality you can push high-speed services over long-ish distances with them without digging up everything in rural areas.
Now if only Verizon would do all of the above in my area. Or if only Frontier did it in the areas they took over... | |
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| | guppy_fishPremium
join:2003-12-09
Lakeland, FL
kudos:1 Reviews:
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| Re: Lets get real here... Yah, so then the towns and city's take ownership and the tax payers get to pay for the needed maintenance and upgrades ... that's real sweet. 
But this does prove a point, Verizon is dumping because its not profitable ... and if Verizon can't make it work, no one can unless they can do the BK rinse ...
If Verizon can't sell, then they could just choose to walk away just like people walk away from homes that are under water ( mortgage more than its worth ), business do the same. It makes no sense to own something that is a constant cash drain | |
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| | | iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: Lets get real here... There's a $7.2B bill for broadband expansion. Heard of it?
With that $7.2B munis can get easy loans and grants, plus they can issue bonds. If the network was run right, I'd definitely buy a bond or two. | |
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| | |  tim_kButtons, Bows, Beamer, Shadow, KaseyPremium,VIP
join:2002-02-02
Stewartstown, PA
kudos:13 | said by guppy_fish:But this does prove a point, Verizon is dumping because its not profitable ... and if Verizon can't make it work, no one can unless they can do the BK rinse ... Oh, I think those areas are profitable, just not getting the percentage Verizon wants.
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| | | | That's funny to think that municipalities care about the people. | |
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| | | iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: Lets get real here... If your municipality doesn't care about you, it's too big. | |
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| | First requirement was getting Frontier stockholder approval.
But, the easiest requirement of all the hurdles required. | |
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| | Its the all new.. Lets make a deal. 
what is behind door number 1 ? | |
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| Re: Its the all new.. said by hayabusa3303:Lets make a deal. what is behind door number 1 ? A zonkey named Frontier? | |
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|  Dominokat"Hi"Premium
join:2002-08-06
Boothbay, ME
kudos:2 | Re: Well Suckers....
Do they not read the headline from the New England papers? | |
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| | | | Re: Well I saw a commercial from the unions trying to get the citizens of West Virginia to fight against this deal. | |
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| Re: Well thats because they don't want a pay cut and they want to keep VZ right where its at.
If the deal doesn't go through in any of the states that are being sold, VZ needs to file with the PUC on 90days of giving up the cover areas. Let the states deal with finding them a new provider. | |
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| said by dekerfman:I saw a commercial from the unions trying to get the citizens of West Virginia to fight against this deal. I not going to fight because verizon has never install DSL around my area or never send me a damn phone book. also ever since that Directv and Verizon bill merge. I lost tv lots of times.
Thats not all! takes them months to get somebody to repair our phones.. yes months!
FIOS or not, I never going to be a customer to Verizon ever again.
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| | | | | | Re: Well I'm up the road from you. When we sued Verizon, we got some of their routes and plats as well as a listing of the cable runs between the CO and the house, Most of the cable is forty year old air core. Water got into the buried lines long ago. Based on the amount it cost Verizon to restore somewhat reliable service for us, I estimate it will take about $20 million for the entire county. For the whole state, you do the math.
Verizon has milked states like WV for the money to invest in fiver elsewhere. If Frontier is allowed to commit suicide, rural WV will suffer. | |
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| |  tenpin784I Went To The Dark Side?
join:2001-03-30
New Durham, NH | Exactly my thinking! | |
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| | Frontier is taking a big risk If government authorities let the Frontier-Verizon deal go through, it is a certainty that Frontier will go down the same path as Hawaiian Telcom and FairPoint. There is no question about it.
When Frontier does its first few monthly financials after acquiring Verizon's lines it will realize it made a colossal blunder. But it will be too late.
It is not possible to take the data from 80-100 Verizon systems and begin processing it with non-Verizon systems. Not in 1 month. Not in 6 months. Not in 12 months. If you succeed in doing it flawlessly with just one system in 12 months you're doing fine. It's impossible to do it with 80-100 systems. The decision-makers have no idea of the problems inherent in that task.
Beyond the system issues, which will bring Frontier to its knees if the deal goes through, Frontier should be considering the bigger question, namely, why buy a landline business that is well on its way to becoming obsolete, even if it stays in Verizon's hands? Ten years from now any landline customer base that Frontier acquires from Verizon today will shrivel to half, a quarter, or even an eighth of its current size, even absent accelerated customer defections due to inevitable system problems. The migration away from copper landlines to wireless is a worldwide phenomenon. There is nothing that Frontier can do to stem the tide. | |
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| | | Re: Frontier is taking a big risk I for one will not be abandoning my landline service until wireless can give me the sound quality and reliability of landline. | |
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I have to say though, that it couldn't happen to a better VICTIM than that shit company Frontier.
