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Frontier to Help Build 1 Gbps Network in Illinois
by Karl Bode 09:26AM Thursday Aug 29 2013
Illinois Governor Pat Quinn has announced that Frontier Communications will help build a $1.5 million 1 Gbps network that will serve homes, schools and businesses in Southern Illinois. According to a statement from the governor's office, the build will be a collaborative effort between Frontier, the City of Carbondale, Southern Illinois University and Connect SI.

"Ultra high-speed internet access is a key to success for the future of Illinois," Governor Quinn said. "In order to remain competitive in today’s digital society, Illinois must have broadband infrastructure second to none."

Illinois is going to need far more that $1.5 million to accomplish that feat.

While this is all well and good for one Illinois town (Carbondale), it should be noted most Frontier customers are lucky if they're able to get 3 Mbps downstream, which Frontier's CEO argues is "just fine for most people." Many companies (including AT&T and CenturyLink) are suddenly engaging in these kinds of projects largely in response to the negative PR brought to them courtesy of Google Fiber.

In short, we're getting oodles of lip service paid toward 1 Gbps networks, and little attention paid to the tens of millions of Americans who'll be stuck on last-gen DSL for most of the next decade.

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klineba

join:2010-08-30
Perrysville, OH

The first 1Gbps network

to suffer from crippling congestion
SunnyD

join:2009-03-20
Madison, AL

Re: The first 1Gbps network

More likely to suffer from cost overruns and multiple billing. It's the Frontier way!
WeatherPilot

join:2009-08-20
If it's not broke, it's not run by Frontier.
HughDaHand

join:2009-08-03
Swartz Creek, MI

Re: The first 1Gbps network




I get those speeds 24/7 on my 6/1 line. Since Frontier took over my area from Verizon they have added DSL to my area and fixed the buzzing in my phone that happened everytime it was slightly wet outside. I guess your service depends on your area.
klineba

join:2010-08-30
Perrysville, OH

Re: The first 1Gbps network

Lucky you. Most nights my internet is almost completely unusable do to congestion and forget about trying to talk on the phone and use the internet at the same time.
dueceswild88

join:2005-06-22
Murphysboro, IL

Politics as usual

This project is coming on the heals of a local provider's fiber install. There were several areas in Southern Illinois that were vying for the grant that was awarded to the Carbondale/Frontier consortium that could have actually done something special with it, but instead Frontier will just use this money to try and sweep a local competitor that has a functioning fiber network under the rug.

tshirt
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Snohomish, WA
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Governor Quinn said. "In order to remain competitive...

... in today’s digital society, Illinois must have broadband infrastructure second to none.

Which is why they are spending a whole $1.5 million?
If you want a comprehensive fiber network, you better be willing to spend a little more.

Streetlight

join:2005-11-07
Colorado Springs, CO

Re: Governor Quinn said. "In order to remain competitive...

said by tshirt:

... in today’s digital society, Illinois must have broadband infrastructure second to none.

Which is why they are spending a whole $1.5 million?
If you want a comprehensive fiber network, you better be willing to spend a little more.

When I read this I thought it was a typo. $1.5 million really was $1.5 billion, but I guess not. How many miles of fiber and associated hardware will $1.5 million provide. Not much is my guess.
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Bengie25

join:2010-04-22
Wisconsin Rapids, WI

Re: Governor Quinn said. "In order to remain competitive...

What Street said.

Maybe there are some other "goodies" the company will get, similar to what Google Fiber gets from Kansas?
sonicmerlin

join:2009-05-24
Cleveland, OH
kudos:1
said by tshirt:

... in today’s digital society, Illinois must have broadband infrastructure second to none.

Which is why they are spending a whole $1.5 million?
If you want a comprehensive fiber network, you better be willing to spend a little more.

And if they did you'd be complaining about "government waste".
ssavoy
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join:2007-08-16
Dallas, PA

They should change their name

What's sad is this doesn't sound that exciting when you realize Frontier is doing it.

Does Frontier even have the backbone to support this?
kwbelt1

join:2006-06-03
Marion, IL

Re: They should change their name

Do they have a backbone? Most likely not. But they do have access to a huge fiber ring that was just installed, so I'm betting they use that. They do already own a lot of dark fiber around here from Verizon.
jtorre69

join:2005-12-26
Hollywood, FL

Way to go frontier!

I think frontier should be commended for starting such a project. This is a project that its larger telco counterparts should be undertaking, but instead they are conceding to cable. I think this is a positive in many dimensions starting with the fact that they are becoming a provider of needed bandwidth. They will be helping themselves by future proofing their network. They will be creating much needed jobs. They will become a serious competitive player in Illinois. Way to go Frontier!

spewak
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Re: Way to go frontier!

said by jtorre69:

They will be creating much needed jobs. They will become a serious competitive player in Illinois. Way to go Frontier!

Thanks for the laugh jtorre! Much needed this morning
jtorre69

join:2005-12-26
Hollywood, FL

Re: Way to go frontier!

I think this news should be taken as the positive that it is. If google were behind this project it would be the talk of the town. This is by no means a shot at google. I appreciate what google is doing, and I think other corporations that choose and deploy this next generation product should also be commended.
On that note I think it would be key to point out that they are doing the first large scale 1Gb project in the area unprovoked by disrupters like google.
They could take the approach it's larger counterpart is using and put out vrads to milk the copper infrastructure..................
Once again, way to go frontier!

spewak
R.I.P Dadkins
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Elk Grove, CA
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Re: Way to go frontier!

Once again, thanks for the laugh!
If you really believe unprovoked disruptor corporation Frontier will do this large scale 1GB project to the hilt on $1.5 million dollars as well as being the company behind it, thanks for the laugh.
silbaco
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join:2009-08-03
USA

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$1.5 million won't get them very far. They will have a hard time connecting even 1,000 urban homes/businesses/schools with that amount of money.
GLIMMER

join:2004-01-17
Fisher, IL

interesting this is

»www.illinois.net/ibop/IBOP.htm

look at this and look at the map. Its amazing this was never posted...

linicx
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United State

Re: interesting this is

Whoever titled it needs to learn what a comma is for. That is a map of Northeastern, Eastern, and Central Illinois.
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JTR

join:2012-05-19
Carbondale, IL

Clearwave?

What happened to Clearwave's obscenely expensive Southern Illinois area backbone? Is Frontier going to utilize that?
kwbelt1

join:2006-06-03
Marion, IL

Re: Clearwave?

This is the response I got from Clearwave earlier this week.
"Unfortunately at this time we are unable to provide residential fiber service to our customers due to the cost affiliated with the internet service. Currently we do not have any information to give out regarding third party services."

Clearwave has said from the begining that they'd be connecting schools, libraries, medical facilities and municipal buildings but they'd be finding a 3rd party to bring fiber to the home.
JTR

join:2012-05-19
Carbondale, IL

Re: Clearwave?

I'm talking about the backbone. If what I read was correct, part of the project was that it would make it easier for other ISPs to hook into the backbone - no need for each ISP to re-lay a backbone, just the last mile.

mike1965
Geek4rent

join:2002-09-23
Marion, IL

Re: Clearwave?

but if the supply off the backbone is insanely expensive..AND IT IS...guess who pays....WE DO

mike1965
Geek4rent

join:2002-09-23
Marion, IL
10 meg by 10 meg is $500.00 a month.....I talked to then about it for our fire headquarters,another money grab

hamburglar_

join:2002-04-29
united state

How about...

How about providing any broadband speeds to 90% of their footprint. Now that would be a starting point.
BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH

Fairpoint and Frontier

Why is FairPoint doing well and Frontier is a disaster? Didn't they both get huge spin-off from Verizon?

AnonMe

@comcastbusiness.net

Re: Fairpoint and Frontier

said by BiggA:

Why is FairPoint doing well...

I live in FairPoint NH territory that was bought from Verizon, and this is the first time I ever hear that FairPoint is doing well! I think the biggest reason you don't hear how poorly they are doing in this area is that they lost so much of the market during the takeover from Verizon, and therefore not so many people actually give a rats ass about them.
BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH

Re: Fairpoint and Frontier

From what I've seen, they've been cranking up speeds and pushing coverage out with RDSLAMs. They've even covered many of the islands from land-based RDSLAMs!

linicx
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The Laugh Factor

Frontier bought a rural market with a maximum of 5M residents between the Ohio River and Chicago which was already divvied up between AT&T, Comcast, homespun carriers, Cox, and CenturyLink. It bought Verizon's debt, obsolete equipment, limited areas, and Verizon's big promises of support which never happened. ..

As usual Quinn's statements are self-serving. The statement from his office pales in comparison to his trips to Chicago to announce the total of one billion for state contracts to Chicago.

If Quinn & company wanted to do something meaningful, which it doesn't, then every home in IL would have access to 911, which it doesn't. But death and taxes don't count; it never did.

As to Carbondale, yes SIU, federal, city, and county offices, and probably the community college should get a substantial upgrade. Business will probably get a speed boost, too, and perhaps residents in the city proper. . Small communities around Carbondale will probably be excluded due to cost.

Don't expect miracles. In rural America 10/1 is a small miracle; 1G is equal to a seismic event.
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JTR

join:2012-05-19
Carbondale, IL
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Re: The Laugh Factor

I believe Mediacom now offer 100Mbps in Carbondale, so we aren't too badly off right now. JALC has 300Mbps from Clearwave and a bit more from some educational network, but they still don't really have enough capacity. I'm also curious about why Frontier was granted money to essentially duplicate Clearwave's rollout... You'd think they'd restrict the grant to residences and small businesses, which can't really get Clearwave service.

linicx
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United State

Re: The Laugh Factor

You'd think. But you know how Illinois politics are played. Capacity is dictated by numbers and data
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GLIMMER

join:2004-01-17
Fisher, IL

fiber




they already have a fiber there according to this map
JTR

join:2012-05-19
Carbondale, IL
Reviews:
·Mediacom

Re: fiber

That's central IL. Carbondale is in Southern IL. But we also have a regional backbone in place thanks to Clearwave's little ~$45 million dollar project (funded almost entirely via government funds... Clearwave is charging an arm and a leg to provide service, so it's useless for small businesses and residences).

»www.broadbandillinois.org/Projec···ern.html
kem09030

join:2004-11-29
Rushville, IL

The positive of this

Frontier is actually willing to do fiber somewhere. It isn't a big area but hopefully this will start Frontier to actually run a bit of fiber to the COs and beyond. The CO in Rushville recently had a bit of fiber run to it. They are talking about possibly running fiber to the cabinet down the road. The speeds do suck on the download but the upload they provide is even more insulting. In this area the max speed is generally 1mbps/192k. If you complain enough they will bump it to 3.4mbps/448k. I found that even though I still get about .33mbps that with the greater upload things actually work. At least pings have come down from 3500ms and are now 500ms.

I do get the full speed after about midnight. The ping still remains high which is probably due to the old equipment in this area. Frontier likes to reuse equipment here from other areas that have been upgraded or from companies that have upgraded and moved on. From what I have been told much of the voice equipment in this area 60+ years old. Probably part of the reason they go down when it rains. If the wind blows static is rather abundant in the lines and the phones will randomly ring. It happens to everyone in this area so it's not isolated to one line.
kwbelt1

join:2006-06-03
Marion, IL

Could it be..

that Frontier will use the huge fiber ring that Clearwave has installed as the backbone and the $1.5mil would be used to bring the fiber to homes?
atigerman

join:2002-01-19
Tigerton, WI

Frontier to Help Build "Up to" 1 Gbps Network in Illinois

I can't believe no one hopped on this....

The one thing i as a frontier customer have learned is they like to use the "Up to" phrase, hell most ISP's like to use it.

So they roll out a 1 Gbps network, but as we all know. No one will see that, they will be luck to get 1 Mbps with all of the congestion

mike1965
Geek4rent

join:2002-09-23
Marion, IL

yea yea yea

Southern Illinois University is the only reason they are getting this....Carbondale has nothing else as far as business other than what is there because of the university.

I have this really great idea....lets work on wider spread REALIABLE broadband.....come one do you really need 1 GPS?.....only if you are transferring large files......no matter how fats your internet speeds are sites can only load as fast as the servers they are on and the connection they are on.
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wasvznowftr

join:2010-07-13
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Redeploy old BPON equipment

Frontier is phasing out BPON in their FiOS areas. Maybe their plan is to send that equipment to Illinois!

Ben J
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join:2011-09-16
Fort Wayne, IN
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Re: Redeploy old BPON equipment

Don't give them any ideas.
Intrepid1

join:2011-06-15

Fix DSL first.

I'm glad my local techs here told me not to expect any upgrades till hell freezes over. Frontier has to be the farthest behind company when it comes to offering speeds on their DSL lines.

Slomo

@198.98.209.x

Heck I'd like to see them even PROVIDE some DSL first

Shoot where I am at they continue to refuse to even provide any DSL at any speed. And I've seen absolutely zero work being done to make it possible either. The tech guys are just fine at what they do, but they can't provide what the company won't make the investments to the needed infrastructure so that they can provide it.

In my area ALL of the competing "old time" phone providers provide access to DSL, and have done so for most of 10 years now. They have their DSLAM and other boxes scattered about some really rural and rugged countryside. But I can always tell when I'm driving in a Frontier service area, there's no DSL infrastructure to be seen or found anywhere.

Anons

@mchsi.com

1 Gbps network

I wonder if the neighboring town of Murphysboro will get this "1 Gbps" network.