vaxvmsferroequine fan Premium Member join:2005-03-01 Polar Park |
vaxvms
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2015-Apr-20 4:19 pm
Don't make the FPI suspciousA security researcher joked about hacking a plane ("We can still take planes out of the sky thanks to the flaws in the in-flight entertainment systems.") and was picked up by the FBI. They didn't think it was one bit funny. » www.zdnet.com/article/jo ··· -safety/ | |
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Re: Don't make the FPI suspciousNot something to joke about, considering that United Airlines was one of the planes involved on 9/11. These "Security Research Firms" think they can use fear and ignorance to shake down companies with total disregard for their actions. Totally unprofessional. Why not setup a demo on a plane with the company, not broadcast "Hey, look at me, I'm hackz0r URZ flight!" | |
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Maybe...Maybe not...It maybe alarmist information and it's always good to try to be aware of any future possibilities and prevent them. From what I know, the systems are separate from each other from what I'm told and is fairly complex and hard to even begin to try to attempt something. If anything were to happen, it would have to be done on-board the plane. Trying to attempt something from the ground to the plane while in flight is not really possible since WiFi signals don't go that far, even with high powered signals, you'd need the ability to track the plane and maintain the signal and connection. I'm sure the FAA has been looking into this since the advent of WiFi and Internet on-board planes now and would review all the possibilities and make preventative and deterrent adjustments where needed. My 2 cents. | |
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2015-Apr-20 4:57 pm
Re: Maybe...Maybe not...One of the safeguards is the crew can shut off the wifi, which would be a first step in any apparent computer problem "reboot and bring systems back 1 at a time" It's a training item to the crew to react even if passengers complain. Harder is if it's a less noticeable hack, like all the altitude indicators will read 100' high on the next low visablity approach | |
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Re: Maybe...Maybe not...If they could get in to that system... | |
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2015-Apr-20 8:36 pm
Re: Maybe...Maybe not...probably not, in this case, but it applies more and more when you see calls for more remote/automated control. and it applies to EVERY self driving car and many human drive cars....that could submit to wireless control over manual. And more buses, cars and trucks get their "freedom" everyday. between hackers, bugs, and "incidental" errors we may be battling the machines sooner than we think. | |
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jap
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2015-Apr-20 4:53 pm
Same frequency band?I was hoping the article would make a statement about frequency bands of 802.11x versus avionics. I've a hard time accepting avionics would be allowed to utilize the same frequency range any common consumer device uses. | |
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Re: Same frequency band?Not even close to same freq ranges on avionics. Why WiFi and devices are allowed now. Just took them time to test and make sure consumer devices would not interfere with avionics and flight operations. | |
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KrK
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2015-Apr-21 1:31 am
Re: Same frequency band?The only danger I could ever see would be if badly designed electronics with insufficient safeguards could fail and start a fire from overheating. | |
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Re: Same frequency band?That has already happened. Entertainment system started a fire on a flight... | |
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KrK
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2015-Apr-21 8:41 pm
Re: Same frequency band?Right, it wouldn't surprise me. Electronics that go on an airline would have to be very quality designed, like full military spec. No way you want some crappy power supply shorting out and starting a fire, for example. | |
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NOYB
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2015-Apr-20 4:54 pm
Everbody in Unison Now "If it can be built by human hands, it can be broken by human hands."
Personally I say if it shares any physical equipment it is not secure enough for this environment. In flight network for access for passengers must be completely isolated.
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2015-Apr-20 4:57 pm
Nothing Is FoolproofNothing is foolproof...fools are ingenious. | |
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Awesome GIF!Airplane.... one of the classics! | |
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*facepalm* Really?Why id the wifi and coms for it not a completely separate system from the avionics? Who thought that could possibly be a good idea? | |
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Separate Networks?It would be a no-brainer to separate the Public network and the Private network. Unfortunately, many corporations don't want the added "expense", even though it's as easy as adding a VLAN. | |
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NOYB
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2015-Apr-20 7:55 pm
Re: Separate Networks?VLAN separation not acceptable. Must be completely isolated at physical level. No shared/common equipment, RF spectrum, etc. | |
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2015-Apr-20 6:27 pm
Why is thisreport from the GAO? Aren't they an ACCOUNTING office? Or am I missing something here? | |
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2015-Apr-20 7:41 pm
Re: Why is this | |
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BiggA
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2015-Apr-20 6:55 pm
MH370All signs point to MH370 being hijacked via the E/E bay and flown to Kazakhstan, and it didn't even on board Wifi. So there are other things they should probably be worrying about! | |
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Re: MH370I read that theory and it sounds pretty damn tight. | |
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BiggA
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2015-Apr-21 4:39 pm
Re: MH370Yeah. It's the only theory that's able to even stay consistent with all the evidence, as crazy as it seems. And the whole Ukraine thing happening at the EXACT same time... | |
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2015-Apr-21 9:31 am
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Well, that's news to the people searching for it in the Indian Ocean, then.
So my guess is that all signs do not point to the plane flying to Kazakhstan. | |
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Wild conspiracy theories are not "all signs" | |
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2015-Apr-21 4:40 pm
Re: MH370Have you read Jeff Wise's e-book? He's actually an aviation expert, not some crackpot conspiracy theorist. His theory is a credible explanation to what most likely happened to MH370, while the Diego Garcia and other theories are crackpot conspiracy theories. | |
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Remember the the lone gunmen ep1?Remember the the lone gunmen ep1? the talked about hacking planes and useing them to crash in to the trade towers (episode aired six months before 9/11)
and now we have the case of MH370 (may of been a hack or some kind of computer fail) and airasia flight 8501 (there is a report saying the caption was trying to hard reset the systems to fix an computer glitch (You can reset the FAC, but to cut all power to it is very unusual,")) | |
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KrK
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2015-Apr-21 1:28 am
Re: Remember the the lone gunmen ep1?Any inflight wifi, or entertainment system is not connected to any avionics. You can't gain control of the flight control computers by simply accessing the internet. | |
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Re: Remember the the lone gunmen ep1?Sounds like a whistle into the phone system to launch nukes scenario to me.... | |
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Re: Remember the the lone gunmen ep1?Except that was because Ma Bell used in channel signaling, pretty much the opposite of a separate system. The reason why 2600 Hz Captain Crunch whistles don't let you play with trunks today is because AT&T uses OOB signaling. Even though the signaling controls the phone system it's not on the phone system. Same with these planes, even though the in flight entertainment can show the location, altitude, etc; doesn't mean they're on those networks. | |
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2015-Apr-21 12:17 pm
Re: Remember the the lone gunmen ep1?said by OldCableGuy:Except that was because Ma Bell used in channel signaling, pretty much the opposite of a separate system. The reason why 2600 Hz Captain Crunch whistles don't let you play with trunks today is because AT&T uses OOB signaling. Even though the signaling controls the phone system it's not on the phone system. Same with these planes, even though the in flight entertainment can show the location, altitude, etc; doesn't mean they're on those networks. My point was launching nukes while whistling into the telephone system was FUD just like gaining flight control systems simply by accessing WIFI. | |
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need more oversight swissair Flight 111 had a fire do to lax FAA oversight | |
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KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little Guy Premium Member join:2000-01-17 Tulsa, OK |
KrK
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2015-Apr-21 1:22 am
What a load of "Horsepucky"I can hack my kitchen sink because I have Wi-Fi in my house, and then I will flood the house and drown everybody in it.
Who writes this stuff? Hollywood? | |
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Re: What a load of "Horsepucky"Worse, the news media! | |
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2015-Apr-21 1:03 pm
How else do you sell fear?You have to make this stuff up to keep threat levels high. | |
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