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GM to Use AT&T LTE for In-Vehicle Broadband
Starting With 2015 Models Arriving in 2014
by Karl Bode 08:56AM Monday Feb 25 2013
GM has kicked Verizon to the curb and will instead now use AT&T's LTE network to power embedded broadband services in the company's vehicles. According to company press statements, the AT&T LTE network will now power GM's safety and security services offered by OnStar, as well as a "new suite of infotainment services like streaming audio, web access, applications, and even video for backseat passengers." Further details of the partnership are expected to be announced this week at Mobile World Congress in Barcelona. The partnership will start with 2015 models that will hit the market in 2014 in both Canada and the United States.

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pandora
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Is onstar used by many?

I'm uncertain how many people use onstar. Is this a big deal??
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elios

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Re: Is onstar used by many?

yea its pretty well used
the big news is AT&T's crap network and coverage
ssavoy
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Re: Is onstar used by many?

Stop beating a dead horse.

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Re: Is onstar used by many?

truth hurts, eh?
ssavoy
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Re: Is onstar used by many?

Ignoring the fact AT&T has better coverage in my market....they had crews adding LTE to the tower near my house this morning.

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Re: Is onstar used by many?

your market? like anyone but you gives a crap about your market.
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Re: Is onstar used by many?

Personally, I see this more of a global technology change than a 'AT&T is better than VZW'.

Why -
VZW does have LTE 'and' CDMA to cover the vast majority of the country
AT&T has GSM / UMTS / LTE to cover the majority of the country.

On a global scale - I suspect that GM is abandonning CDMA chipset completely for any new products. As VZW hasn't completed LTE, and GSM/UMTS is by far the largest footprint on the planet ( »www.4gamericas.org/index.cfm?fus···geid=565 ) moving to an all GSM/UMTS/LTE based deployment does make sense - even if it happens to end up on AT&T.
Cobra11M

join:2010-12-23
Mineral Wells, TX

Re: Is onstar used by many?

AT&T lover right above ^, caution you will get flamed... startin 1, 2, 3..

alright haha, lets see AT&T and Verizon are crap.. idc how much they cover the country.. they are and have been a duopoly, AT&T is acting like they use to in ma-bell.. corrupting the government to get what they want.. even if it costs consumers..

One day AT&T and Verizon wont be the big dogs.. then you will see real competition!

N3OGH
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said by ssavoy:

Stop beating a dead horse.

But, but dead horse is de-LISH in things like British frozen lasagna, Irish hamburgers & Ikea meatballs.

He's just tenderizing
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TomS_
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Re: Is onstar used by many?

You didnt just go there.... lol

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said by elios:

yea its pretty well used
the big news is AT&T's crap network and coverage

good news car does not have limitation on the battery so it will not be a real issue
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joako
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The onboard telematics on my vehicle use Verizon. And I constantly drive around and the red no service light turns on all the while my AT&T phone continues to have reception.
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said by pandora:

I'm uncertain how many people use onstar. Is this a big deal??

Plenty use Onstar. And coverage for AT&T is pretty decent around the country. Verizon may be a little better, but I bet Verizon wanted GM to pay a lot more than GM did to AT&T. Competition at work - AT&T no doubt offered a better deal.
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cahiatt
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This will be interesting....

1) For OnStar users within major metro areas where AT&T has good (subject to debate) coverage the only issue I wonder about are any of the existing vehicles capable of switching over to AT&T? GM left a bunch of 04 and older vehicle owners with non-functioning OnStar due to a change in the past. Did they have the foresight to make current systems GSM capable?

2) For OnStar users outside major metro areas where AT&T has most likely crap coverage. These are the users that may actually need emergency services. They may be in an area with little or no traffic for assistance from passing motorist, nearly out of gas and trying to find a close (and open) gas station or other scenarios. What happens when these folks not have no coverage when they did before under Verizon.
andyross
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Schaumburg, IL

Re: This will be interesting....

It sounds like only 2015 and newer cars will use AT&T. Older cars will continue to use Verizon.

The 'change in the past' was the carrier's elimination of analog service, which many older cars used.
Dodge
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This is going to be great

I can just imagine GM service departments full of idiots whining that their radio doesn't work and service reps patiently trying to explain to them that they were streaming audio and if there is no cell coverage they are SOL. Or you are driving kids somewhere and the streaming video in the back keeps crapping out, making for a wonderful trip.

On top of that I wonder if the pre-recorded something like this into the car: "The system has detected airbag deployment. Unfortunately since you've traveled outside of AT&T LTE coverage area, this information was not transmitted to OnStar and no help will be dispatched. Thank you for choosing GM and AT&T. If you survive this accident we sincerely hope you recommend us to all your friends"
rradina

join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO

Stuck w/ATT?

Cars generally last longer than phones. Will they have a removable SIM so we can choose a different carrier? Can the cellular radio be replaced when LTE is superseded by MUF (I know it's Monday morning but think about it)?

joako
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Re: Stuck w/ATT?

This is supposed to be hardcoded to use the OnStar service and not your own SIM card.

I've read about the older system how you COULD go to Verizon and activate the device on its own line but what happens is you buy blocks of minutes from OnStar and it downloads that to the module in the car and based on that it allows or disallows you to dial out.

I did manage to convert the "BMW Assist" in my car to be a Verizon prepaid phone.
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rradina

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Chesterfield, MO

Re: Stuck w/ATT?

OnStar and voice is one thing but when they start talking about offering a WiFi hotspot, I would prefer to have a replaceable module in the car that enables me to choose the carrier of my choice.

If the dashtronics (my word for a smart dash) is based on Linux or some embedded Windows kernel, one would think it could be easy to implement the cell data connection by using an OTS, swappable USB-based modem. For the cannot-live-without-internet addicted customers, my wireless router (Asus NT66U) supports various USB modems for backup when the wired Internet goes down. If a $160 wireless router can support plug-n-play USB 3G/4G wireless modems, surely this isn't rocket science for the car people.
Joe12345678

join:2003-07-22
Des Plaines, IL

so if you are in the usa and drive into Canada $10+ a meg

so if you are in the usa and drive into Canada who is billed the $10+ a meg?
kaila

join:2000-10-11
Lincolnshire, IL

This won't come cheap....

I'd imagine monthly subscription rates will fall around AT&T's current Data Connect plan ($50mo) with a lower data cap to cover OnStar service and any GM subsidy.

I'd much rather use the smartphone I already have to provide the WAN for an in-car network (sans OnStar, I know).
openbox9
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Re: This won't come cheap....

OnStar isn't cheap now, so it won't be too surprising if this comes in with a big price tag. If you want control over your vehicle's media system, much better to go aftermarket. It's not always as neat or seamless, but you can get what you want.
Technicholas

join:2010-11-11
Winterset, IA

I hope they use GSM and CDMA backup

I live in a area with spotty AT&T coverage Verizon works the best no drop calls etc, but when I get to the middle of nowhere AT&T says "Searching" hope onstar doesn't do that.

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Re: I hope they use GSM and CDMA backup

My current onstar does exactly that occasionally. was in north texas and it was literally worthless. (And this is the current onstar with verizon!) My tmobile showed 4g. Onstar failed!

Dominokat
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ATT sucks

Seeing that ATT service is sketchy at best here in rural areas of Maine, (NOTHING native in northern Maine, and IF it roams it isn't even 3G) does that mean if I am in an area outside ATT that Onstar wouldn't work? Verizon covers most of the state in at least 3G with many areas now offering LTE.

pepe45982456

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Re: ATT sucks

For a new vehicle you obtained with ATT compatible LTE ONSTAR system, that would be correct, since the Verizon & ATT LTE networks are not compatible.

Pluses and minuses of living in the boondocks, I suppose.

compuguybna

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Nashville, TN

AT&T lte sucks

Verizon definately has more LTE coverage than AT&T.

ONSTAR is nothing than spyware anyway.
Crypto_Bug

join:2001-05-31
Torrington, CT

What a horrible decision

Guess I will never buy another GM vehicle. I am getting ready to trade in my 2011 GMC when the 2014 vehicles come out, even if this is affecting 2015 and future vehicles I will stop buying GM's now. I will be switching back to Ford. Ford quality is better anyways.
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openbox9
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Re: What a horrible decision

Save yourself money and hatred by not subscribing to OnStar. No reason to give up on GM if that's what you want.
Mr Matt

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More OnStar BS.

When the wireless carriers eliminated all analog service OnStar subscribers owning automobiles manufactured before a certain date had to have the OnStar circuit boards in there automobiles replaced by a local dealer with new boards at their expense. Who will pay to replace CDMA circuit boards with GSM compatible circuit boards?

FFH
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Re: More OnStar BS.

said by Mr Matt:

When the wireless carriers eliminated all analog service OnStar subscribers owning automobiles manufactured before a certain date had to have the OnStar circuit boards in there automobiles replaced by a local dealer with new boards at their expense. Who will pay to replace CDMA circuit boards with GSM compatible circuit boards?

What makes you think that Verizon equipped cars will stop working? I am sure that until Verizon shuts off CDMA entirely ,years in the future, it will not be an issue. By then, most of those CDMA Onstar cars will be on scrap heaps.

Besides, after the initial free 6 mos to 1 yr most users didn't re-up their Onstar subscriptions anyway. Just like when I got a new car, I had 9 mos free of Sirius. But when that free period was up I ended the subscription.
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cahiatt
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Re: More OnStar BS.

said by FFH:

What makes you think that Verizon equipped cars will stop working?

Becuase the vehicle owner is contracting their service with OnStar, not Verizon. How long is OnStar obligated to maintain the service with Verizon so that vehicles so equipped can keep the service. Did GM include a GSM capable system so that a change like this could be make easily?

FFH
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Re: More OnStar BS.

said by cahiatt:

How long is OnStar obligated to maintain the service with Verizon so that vehicles so equipped can keep the service.

Don't know. That depends on what was in the contract OnStar signed with Verizon.

But if the deal Amazon signed with Sprint is any example, the old original Kindle readers that used Sprint as the network for book downloads, the deal was to continue providing service as long as technically possible. Those original Sprint enabled Kindles still work even though Amazon switched to AT&T several years ago.
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decifal

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Bon Aqua, TN
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forgot

You people seem to have forgotten a key thing about all of this.. Who in the heck drives a GM made product on purpose anyways? Transmissions failing like clockwork at 95k to 100k miles, bearings dieing, the engines to their credit do hold up for a while longer but will start loving oil when you approach 200k. Crap that shouldn't break does on gm products...

I guess what i'm trying to say is that this won't phase me one bit as I have become completely sick of the GM union labor half @$$ made vehicles that they are..


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F100

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Will it Last...?

No way it will last as long as the tech in my 1966 F100 truck. That AM radio still tunes in talk shows and just about any kind of Spanish music you want. It does sequel out when you drive under power lines but being 47 years old, l'll cut it some slack. Let's see how much use you get out of that Onstar setup 47 year later, or any other part of those cars by then. I'll bet my son will still be driving that truck in 2060 supposing there is still gasoline in the world by then. Radio will probably still work too.

RARPSL

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Suffern, NY

Sharing OnStar Minutes

I wonder if the new AT&T deal will allow bundling the OnStar minutes with my AT&T Phone? Right now the Verizon Minutes are not allowed to be shared with a Verizon Phone (they used to allow this but dropped it years ago) so you must use them from the car and not with your cell phone. Now you have to buy a new minutes package once a year to preserve your unused minutes (assuming that once the 1 year "use them or lose them" time period approaches you still have some). In addition, when you do buy more minutes, they do not tack them on to your current contract and extend it for another year but cancel your current contract and start a new one which expires one year from the purchase while adding any remaining minutes from the old contract. This means that if your minutes expire on December 31 but you but more on December 1, your old minutes are only usable for 11 months since after being rolled over they now expire on December 1 of the next year not the December 31 of that year as would occur if a new purchase extended the current contract period.
stenman

join:2007-03-07
Salinas, CA

So you would be locked into AT&T for the life of the vehicle

Unfortunate that the telcos continue to own the FCC. With each telco providing a unique 4G implementation users cannot go from one to a competitor without buying a new cell phone or smartphone or Mifi or USB modem. They will also need to buy a telco specific signal booster (and starting in 2014 get the written permission of the ISP to use it) as well.

To buy a GM product and be locked into AT&T is hardly a positive reason to buy one of their cars. With AT&T wireless service I was overcharged 6 out of the first 7 months of my contract. Each time it took an hour to get the overcharges corrected and I finally cancelled my contract after the seventh occurence.

GM should be providing a signal booster and efficient 4G antenna and a router funtion if it really want to benefit its customers. Instead its engineers took the easy route and let AT&T's people do the design work.

Just like Sirius satellite radio where one has to buy a package and subsidize all the right wing political and religious nut jobs on the radio with your subscription dollars. The Reagan legacy lives on.