Game Publishers Follow The RIAA's LeadPay us or we'll frag you into oblivion... ( old news - 10:11AM Monday Aug 25 2008) tags: legal · Fileswapping · businessLast week five game developers (Atari, Topware Interactive, Reality Pump, Techland and Codemasters) threatened some 25,000 P2P users, telling them to pay £300 ($556) if they wanted to avoid lawsuits for game piracy. The move mirrors that of the RIAA, which has used the threat of lawsuit (including a quick settlement website) to make a quick buck, with hopes press coverage of the moves would deter would-be P2P users. It hasn't worked; the debate now centering on whether game publishers should tread the same path. EA Sports boss Peter Moore (formerly of Microsoft) doesn't think so: "I'm not a huge fan of trying to punish your consumer," says Moore. "Albeit these people have clearly stolen intellectual property, I think there are better ways of resolving this within our power as developers and publishers. "I'm not sure what they are," he adds, "other than to build game experiences that make it more difficult for there to be any value in pirating games." That's likely code for making more games that rely heavily on an online component (though ironically, the RIAA and EA may be bumping heads on that front).
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4 edits | Re: Settlement Website yay, another wave of useless lawsuits that will clog up legal systems around the world. Just hope this happens... | |
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| Re: Just don't make PC Games said by kfsutops  :It's a pretty simple solution for some game companies. Don't make games for PC. I think it is stupid to drag your customers in court. But who said these companies were smart anyway? But really, the PC gaming market is getting smaller and smaller everyday. Don't believe go in to a game store and see how many PC games are on the shelves versus the games for consoles. That's cause you can download them. | |
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join:2001-11-13 | Re: Just don't make PC Games Not really, its because they're just not very well made, sooo many bugs . . . as its for the pc, always can can an update, so very little effort put into getting it right the first time. | |
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| said by kfsutops :It's a pretty simple solution for some game companies. Don't make games for PC. I think it is stupid to drag your customers in court. But who said these companies were smart anyway? But really, the PC gaming market is getting smaller and smaller everyday. Don't believe go in to a game store and see how many PC games are on the shelves versus the games for consoles. Hey look another PC gaming is dead noob. 
I'm going to let you in on a little secret: the PC gaming market has actually grown in recent years.
It's also a piece of cake to pirate games that are on consoles.  I know, I know. I just blew your little mind. | |
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| Re: Just don't make PC Games said by Xizer :I'm going to let you in on a little secret: the PC gaming market has actually grown in recent years. It's also a piece of cake to pirate games that are on consoles. I know, I know. I just blew your little mind. It's dead. Get over it.
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| Re: Just don't make PC Games said by kfsutops :said by Xizer :I'm going to let you in on a little secret: the PC gaming market has actually grown in recent years. It's also a piece of cake to pirate games that are on consoles. I know, I know. I just blew your little mind. It's dead. Get over it. AHH PC GAMING IS DEAD AHH PC GAMING IS DEAD AHH
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| said by kfsutops :It's a pretty simple solution for some game companies. Don't make games for PC. I think it is stupid to drag your customers in court. But who said these companies were smart anyway? But really, the PC gaming market is getting smaller and smaller everyday. Don't believe go in to a game store and see how many PC games are on the shelves versus the games for consoles. Various game setups work better on PC... some things just make more sense with a keyboard and mouse. RTS's, for one. Some game designs do not work very well on a console, and I, for one, prefer the PC for a lot of games. (Though, some are made for the console, and don't translate well to the PC without the use of a gamepad). | |
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1 edit | Re: Just don't make PC Games said by Necronomikro :said by kfsutops :It's a pretty simple solution for some game companies. Don't make games for PC. I think it is stupid to drag your customers in court. But who said these companies were smart anyway? But really, the PC gaming market is getting smaller and smaller everyday. Don't believe go in to a game store and see how many PC games are on the shelves versus the games for consoles. Various game setups work better on PC... some things just make more sense with a keyboard and mouse. RTS's, for one. Some game designs do not work very well on a console, and I, for one, prefer the PC for a lot of games. (Though, some are made for the console, and don't translate well to the PC without the use of a gamepad). The whole "consoles are better than PCs" argument is beyond retarded.
All consoles are are stripped down, proprietary PCs that get released every five years.
They're not some magical device - any PC can achieve what a console can. You can easily hook up a desktop computer to a TV and an Xbox 360 controller to the PC and ooooh look, console! | |
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| Re: Just don't make PC Games said by Xizer :said by Necronomikro :said by kfsutops :It's a pretty simple solution for some game companies. Don't make games for PC. I think it is stupid to drag your customers in court. But who said these companies were smart anyway? But really, the PC gaming market is getting smaller and smaller everyday. Don't believe go in to a game store and see how many PC games are on the shelves versus the games for consoles. Various game setups work better on PC... some things just make more sense with a keyboard and mouse. RTS's, for one. Some game designs do not work very well on a console, and I, for one, prefer the PC for a lot of games. (Though, some are made for the console, and don't translate well to the PC without the use of a gamepad). The whole "consoles are better than PCs" argument is beyond retarded. All consoles are are stripped down, proprietary PCs that get released every five years. They're not some magical device - any PC can achieve what a console can. You can easily hook up a desktop computer to a TV and an Xbox 360 controller to the PC and ooooh look, console! Personally,
Whether the pc gaming market is getting smaller or not, I think is is a TOTAL waste of a computer, if that's what you use it for. Not only do most games screw up the computer, which works for me as I get to fix a lot of them (cha-ching!), but, as I already said, it's stupid!!
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| Re: Just don't make PC Games said by cork1958 :Personally, Whether the pc gaming market is getting smaller or not, I think is is a TOTAL waste of a computer, if that's what you use it for. Not only do most games screw up the computer, which works for me as I get to fix a lot of them (cha-ching!), but, as I already said, it's stupid!! I don't see what's so stupid about running a program on a piece of hardware you already own instead of buying a proprietary piece of hardware (a game console) just to run that same program.
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| said by cork1958 :Not only do most games screw up the computer, which works for me as I get to fix a lot of them (cha-ching!), but, as I already said, it's stupid!! If you're fixing people's computers because games screw them up, then the people you're helping are absolute, complete idiots. After about 15 years of playing computer games, I have yet to have a game screw up my computer. There are only 2 things which have screwed up my computer - porn malware, and questionable software downloads.
When I was a computer technician, I do remember a lot of people saying that "i put a game on my computer now it doesn't work", and that it was simply code for "I downloaded like, a TON of porn last night, and I clicked on amazing_sex.exe and the only thing that got screwed was my computer!"
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| Re: Just don't make PC Games said by tiger72 :After about 15 years of playing computer games, I have yet to have a game screw up my computer. Have you played Anarchy Online? It r-e-a-l-l-y lives up to it's name what it can do to a computer.
Then play Silent Hunter 4, and play alpha ware posing as a gold release...and watch the crashes if you're lucky, BSODs if you're not.
The AAA games shouldn't cause problem installs, but there are a few games that by definition could be considered malware in itself.
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| Re: Just don't make PC Games said by ChrisXP :said by tiger72 :After about 15 years of playing computer games, I have yet to have a game screw up my computer. Have you played Anarchy Online? It r-e-a-l-l-y lives up to it's name what it can do to a computer. Then play Silent Hunter 4, and play alpha ware posing as a gold release...and watch the crashes if you're lucky, BSODs if you're not. The AAA games shouldn't cause problem installs, but there are a few games that by definition could be considered malware in itself. ... while you're playing. And yeah, I had friends who played AO's buggy gameplay. That said, none of that "screws up" the whole computer. It merely is buggy coding that destroys gameplay.
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| Re: Just don't make PC Games said by tiger72 :... while you're playing. And yeah, I had friends who played AO's buggy gameplay. That said, none of that "screws up" the whole computer. It merely is buggy coding that destroys gameplay. That game can mess up the OS. It was so buggy on install, that instead of installing in it's own folder like 99.9999999999% of the games, it decided C:\Windows was it's directory.
Have to wipe the entire drive to remove it's traces.
No game since 1983 have I had was so buggy that had done that, not even SH4 (and that game is buggier than AO -- at least it can load. SH4 could crash on load even after 5 patches).
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| As others have mentioned it's easy to download games for consoles. I know 5 people that have new consoles. One of them doesn't download games for his console (he's only 8,) so new games come from his relatives. Another has a daughter that works in the gaming industry so they get all of the consoles and many of the new games that come out. The other three have multiple consoles, buy some of the games, but download most of the games from the Internet.
I know the console makers do there best to try and stop people from copying games, but it's gotten pretty easy for someone to mod a console and then download whatever game they want.
So I don't see going to a console release only being a savings over releasing games on the PC. It seems that games are just as easily ripped off for consoles as for PCs. | |
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| consoles being networked nowdays, console games are starting to head down that "we'll just patch it" route too.
back when games where on ROMs and up to the PS2 it had to be right the first time on a console
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Developer boycott, anyone? | |
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| Oh Hell No I pay for my games. There are games that you just go out and buy right off the bat (i.e. any HL sequel). I however can certainly understand why there's so much P2P traffic on games. You have people that just don't want to pay of course, people who want to play before paying & the people who will not pay before playing more than a demo has to offer. With the absolute BULL**** that is passing for games these days, it's no wonder.
No matter how many P2P users they threaten, they will never hurt the scene even marginally...they will however be doing a good job of alienating their fan base. 
I'm keeping a list of of the companies pulling this stunt.
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|  Re: Oh Hell No
said by winsyrstrife :I, however, can certainly understand why there's so much P2P traffic on games. You have people that just don't want to pay of course, people who want to play before paying & the people who will not pay before playing more than a demo has to offer. With the absolute BULL**** that is passing for games these days, it's no wonder. You also forgot the fact that DRM included with some of the games is so draconian that it can screw up your machine worse than a virus/rootkit/malware/spyware. I love it how some developers tout that by buying legit software you can have a peace of mind that your computer will be virus-free, yet with many games out today that is so not the case. By employing such kind of DRM, gaming companies are alienating those who are actually willing to buy their games. Why bother paying for catching a virus when at the very worst, you can take your chances and get one for free  . And at best case, the bootleg will be cleaner than the legit version.
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| Re: Oh Hell No Good point. I dunno why I omitted that part considering I just had to fix someone's machine this week because of Sony's rootkit BS.
Selective memory blotting out the unpleasantness, I guess.  | |
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| Another perspective: Let's see... buy a game with restrictions and damaging/non-removable Copy Protection - or - download a stripped version from the web without all the BS.
Many times, more than not, people don't want a CP scheme killing parts of their computer - Starforce anyone?
Me? I prefer that when I uninstall a game, it takes the CP with it - SecuROM ring a bell?
Yeah yeah, I have tools to get rid of the crap, but the point is, why should I have to?
Developers keep adding more horseshit to the game and making it less and less attractive to us to pay good money and blame poor or lower sales on P2P.
Ya got to insert the CD/DVD, go online and verify that you are the legal owner, sign in, give a DNA sample, pee in a cup, bend over and get cavity searched *THEN* the game might start - EVERY TIME?
Yeah, I want some of that!
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| Gaming Frustrations I'm not a huge gaming freak but every now and then I'll buy a PC game for fun. Shell out the 40-50 dollars for it, then find out the sequel is only for the Console. I'm not about to shell out another 400.00 for a console so I've got a drawer full of PC games that "IF" a PC sequel were offered I'd buy it. Hell, I have upgraded my PC based on gaming requirements but without games to play (that I enjoy) there's no need to upgrade or buy the next game. The Game developers are missing the boat by concentrating so much on Console based games. I may be in the minority, after all, I'm not a kid any longer, but I do have the expendable dollars to buy a game. | |
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Saint Louis, MO | Re: Gaming Frustrations Sequel is only for the console? What games are you talking about? Maybe you should stop buying console ports for the pc then. PC based games have sequels on the PC.... | |
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| said by ender7074 :Sequel is only for the console? What games are you talking about? Maybe you should stop buying console ports for the pc then. PC based games have sequels on the PC.... Civilization
Elder Scrolls
Just to name two.
To put in my piece...I don't like PC gaming. It just doesn't feel right to me. Even if I hook up my PC to output to the TV and use a 360/PS3 controller, the feel is off. I can't explain it.
I think for me it's the fact that PC games are at the mercy of your hardware configuration. The developers are making games that require Alienware-ish PCs which most people don't and won't have. I should be able to fire up my regular laptop and play just about any PC game but I can't. My Dual Core Centrino struggled with Final Fantasy XI - come on now.
Plus there's the memory thing, the video card thing, the controller thing, the keyboard thing, the monitor thing...too much to have to think about, compared to a console which likely comes with all you need to get up and game. Plus you know the games will all work for the console. No having to upgrade a video card because it's integrated instead of sole memory. | |
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| Re: Gaming Frustrations said by ReVeLaTeD :said by ender7074 :Sequel is only for the console? What games are you talking about? Maybe you should stop buying console ports for the pc then. PC based games have sequels on the PC.... Civilization Elder Scrolls Civilization revolution for the console is really a console-unique game and shouldn't be considered a 'sequel'.
It was built from the ground up to be played with a controller, not a keyboard/mouse.
Morrowind and Oblivion are out for both PC and console... | |
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| Re: Gaming Frustrations said by Necronomikro :said by ReVeLaTeD :said by ender7074 :Sequel is only for the console? What games are you talking about? Maybe you should stop buying console ports for the pc then. PC based games have sequels on the PC.... Civilization Elder Scrolls Civilization revolution for the console is really a console-unique game and shouldn't be considered a 'sequel'. It was built from the ground up to be played with a controller, not a keyboard/mouse. Morrowind and Oblivion are out for both PC and console... Civ: that's fine, but that's not the post said. It said "PC based games have sequels on the PC" - I'm simply naming examples that do not. Civ Revolution is not on PC to my knowledge.
Elder Scrolls: Yeah, now. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Elder Scrolls originate on PC? And...weren't it's sequels ORIGINALLY on console (Xbox) only? It wasn't until much later that the sequels got ported to PC. | |
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1 edit | Bleh I've worked years for both game developers and publishers (work for a dev/pub now) and while there are a good number of pirates who do so just because they're cheap bastards who don't want to pay for their product, there are plenty with legitimate reasons like in the case of anti-copy nonsense and strict attempts at limitations of fair use which ends up being backlash. To a point where just to exercise their fair use, people will even buy the game then download a pirated version just to enjoy their game DRM or anti-copy free.
It isn't necessarily a black-and-white issue. Being both a gamer and someone who works for a developer-publisher, I can understand both sides (besides the limitations attempted by the gaming industry, and people who just want free shit).
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| Re: Bleh software will never be a B&W issue as long as said intrusive DRM exists. people have a right to not want rootkits and such, they have a right to use virtual drive programs which btw can be used for non piracy reasons. however game DRM wont even install on some systems with a virtual drive because to DRM makers who only see things in black, virtual drive=piracy.
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join:2002-04-17 | I just hate it when I donwnload the game from a store like The Pirate Bay, and they won't let me return it if it sucks. | |
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| Re: Bleh said by Smith6612 :The Pirate Bay for as far as I know is not a store lol. Sarcasm | |
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| Pirates game better than playing the demo I would prefer to download a pirated game so I can see "truly" what the game is like. If I like it enough then I will purchase for the online component. Downloading a demo with one race track or map is not a true test of the game. I think these game publishers are trying to stop the bad press "word of mouth" from getting around that a particular game sucks. Let's say you own Madden 2k7 but not sure if 2k8 is worth upgrading. Grab pirated copy to check it out, and you will see its not worth it. I will be downloading Far Cry 2 and if it is what they say it will be, I will gladly purchase. | |
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| Waste of Money I bet about 90 percent of pirater's would of been to cheap to buy the game at 50 or 60 dollars in the first place. And I doubt this would deter the other 10 percent.
Pirating is rampant because its free, but you charge 50 bux for the game, you just aren't going to have the same numbers as you were when pirating.
so you're basically just busting people that would of never shelled out for it in the first place. | |
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| Re: Minesaid by n2jtx :"All Your Bases are Mine" Actually, it's "ALL YOUR BASES ARE BELONG TO US!"
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2 edits | Re: Mine said by Pirate515 :said by n2jtx :"All Your Bases are Mine" Actually, it's "ALL YOUR BASES ARE BELONG TO US!" It's actually All Your Base Are Belong To Us!
It was from a Sega Genesis* game called Zero Wing. Here is the
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Properly translated, it should read "We, CATS, have taken over all
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| PC Gaming 1.
People that say PC gaming is dead or dieing aren't PC gamers. There are many many reasons to play games on the PC instead of a counsel. Your get everything a counsel overs and much much more.
In GamePro once, they compared the graphics of a PS, Xbox, and a PC. PC blew the others out of the water. You could see graphics on the PC that the counsel's didn't even have, far off trees, shadows, and it was all crisp and clear. All the Display settings were maxed on the 3.
Keyboards and mice make gaming easier once you get used to it. You have so few button options on a counsel, about 17 for a play station 2 controller. (Counting the analog button, and R3/L3), but with a PC you have tons (Not going to count by keyboard). You can set up hotkeys and do things quicker. And a mouse is faster then a controller. A mouse moves as fast as you do, but a controller moves as fast as what the sensitivity is set at, so you have less control.
Why buy a counsel, when you can just upgrade your computer to handle games, instead of wasting $400 on a box that you can only use for games and movies, you can upgrade your comp that will make everything you do faster.
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I don't get why they put protection on games and movies. It only annoys the people who payed for a legit copy. The pirates will get a stripped version. Does the protection even do anything? Obviously not. No matter what, it will eventually be cracked. You might stop rookie copiers for a little bit until they find a solution on the Internet but thats all.
Programs like DVD Decrypter will strip a DVD of its protection when you put it in the tray. Wow that was hard.
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| Re: PC Gaming said by HackedServer :2. I don't get why they put protection on games and movies. It only annoys the people who payed for a legit copy. The pirates will get a stripped version. Does the protection even do anything? Obviously not. No matter what, it will eventually be cracked. You might stop rookie copiers for a little bit until they find a solution on the Internet but thats all. Programs like DVD Decrypter will strip a DVD of its protection when you put it in the tray. Wow that was hard. Protection is just an annoyance to the people who actually pay for the product. So if no games had Cd checks or protection on them. Wouldn't that give no incentive to a pirate to purchase the game? Take Supreme Commander for instance. That game had a protection scheme for a while, until a official patch removed it. That essentially allowed anyone to play the game without needing a crack. The pirated copies have no incentive to go out and get a legit copy, why? Simple, they either will play the skirmish or use the LAN with friends. That in itself is a lost sale.
I can't remember the last time, I have seen anyone in games I have played complain about DRM. I myself had a minor issue back in 05 with Battlefield Vietnam, but a quick XP hotfix solved that. I had Starforce installed on this PC, all that "bad" stuff. Still able to burn, still able to do my usual crap. Still haven't seen "Sorry can't install because of Daemon tools etc.."
Quit making excuses to hide your guilt of stealing a game. Either purchase it and play it, or don't play it at all. How simple can it get? | |
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| Re: PC Gaming If i have played Roller coaster tycoon 3 recently i can't get Flatout 2 to find the CD in drive without trying several (min 3 tries)  After moving RCT3 to my other computer and cleaning up the garbage Flatout loads every time using the same CD.
The DRM schemes don't seem to play nice together. If you only play one games per PC or one developer or something perhaps.
Oh, Starforce did take out my DVD writer on the other computer, I never did get it to work right again. Finally tossed it into another computer and replaced it. Starforce and friends seemed much happier with the newer writer. Ok, it was an annoying DVD+R only or something odd. Hmm,I wonder if that means i should keep it around for some reason...
Not everyone has 2 decently matched computers to play mix and match between offending games. | |
| | rahvin112
join:2002-05-24
Sandy, UT | WTF is a "counsel"? Do you mean Console? or do you mean Counselor? Personally I think you need the latter. | |
| amungus
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join:2004-11-26
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| no cd Like others have posted here (previous story?), I hope they don't mess with the "no cd" patches out there.
I see no reason to keep throwing in a disc every time you want to play. If you've installed the game (and yes, PURCHASED IT), you should be able to play it from the hard drive with no hassle. It also just basically burns up your optical drive, wastes energy, time, and just isn't fun to dig out a cd every time.
PC gaming is still very much alive, otherwise nobody would be buying dual core graphics cards, SLI/Crossfire setups, monster dual quad core systems with more RAM than they need, RAID setups with Raptors, ginormous monitors, super-overpriced keyboards (some of which are quite nice!), mouse that costs more than two console controllers, high speed internet connections, routers that do QoS for gaming and/or VOIP, etc. etc. etc...
Console gamers, on the other hand, invest more in Rock Band type accessories, big televisions, home theater setups, and the occasional game.
Both spend money for entertainment, some spend plenty on having both. | |
| dandin1
join:2008-05-27
| Here we go again! This, accompanied by the news that the ESA is hiring ex-RIAA heads, is pretty sad news for the gaming industry. It isn't for the users, who might get the chance to see a comedic scene of foot-shooting.
I don't understand how an industry that is supposed to be much more technology savvy can follow in the lead of the greatest PR disaster of the two last decades. The RIAA's anti-piracy circus of sueing petty-file sharers has generated only outrage, laughs, lost revenue and an increase in piracy.
Ah well, their problem. I won't stand in the way of the gun they are aiming at their foot. | |
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| Re: OpenSource said by ctceo :Do we have any open source FREEWARE game studios yet. If not this will be a good time for a few to develop. In fact I'd be suprised if there isn't already some primitive form online and giving away downloads as we speak. EDIT: Nevermind: » en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_op···ce_games» www.google.com/search?source=ig&···e+SearchI guess what I'm getting at is I'm waiting for some freeware studios to develop stuff on par with modern games. There, Thats better. It's basically impossible for a freeware/opensource game developer to compete with major studios that have hundreds of paid employee's all working on a single game. Making good looking games is really all about man-power. Making good gameplay is all about good ideas, however. This is where the freeware developer can succeed; to expect a freeware developer to have their games looking as good as Crysis, or even an older game like HL2 is asking to much. They simply don't have the man-power to do so. | |
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| Re: OpenSource said by ctceo :In counter to that argument they have one asset that major game studios dont have, time. Unlike Crysis for example who have a timetable set aside for releases, OpenSource/Freeware developers can opt to take a bit of extra time, however much is necessary to produce a sparkling product. I'm in the process of testing a few games found at the links I provided and can see definite potential from those places, they just need a bit more time to make up for the lack in manpower. I also think to some extent these programmers want to rush too much themselves. The problem is that as time goes on - much of their work is then made obsolete. If they shoot for Crysis graphics, it's going to take them so long that by the time they reach that level Crysis graphics might as well be Quake 3 graphics. | |
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join:2007-02-27
Buffalo, NY
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| All junk! People being noobs for saying PC gaming is dead?
How about you noobs who bit on that and took this conversation on a side path that will never be resolved. Who cares anyways? I game on both consoles and PC's. I couldnt care less what someone else says or thinks on that subject. Real gamers dont fall into those B.S. arguments.
Next I remember reading an article that says piracy was a good thing. The pirates were not going to buy these games but now they have copies and they are blogging and posting about them in forums. These same people are usually the ones involved in clans and run game related websites which no doubt helps the industry and all for a free game. I buy all my own games because I dont have time for the hassles associated with pirated games but I dont think these people should be sued. Seems like a copout to me. If you cant protect your own product close up shop. I know its a tough subject and all but sueing your customers peers wont solve anything. Its been a 20 year experiment and guess what? Pirating games, music and movies will never go away. Neither will Marijuana and dumb politicians. In case your wondering Women will always be a mystery to most men as well. This is life.
One last thing. BROADBAND REPORTS!!!! Leave this subject alone. Its tired. More tired than any subject popular right now. Obviously no one cares and all your doing is helping to confuse these corporate idiots. They see you report and think theres hope some pirates will be detered. Its not going to deter anyone and its boring the hell out of the rest of us!! | |
| | lrtc
join:2004-06-05
Toronto | Re: All junk! This is great news. I hope all business follow this lead. Loading up the legal system with 1 000 000 lawsuits would be amazing. By the time your case get processed you will be dead :P | |
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1 edit | Naming names: Logistep and Davenport Lyons Logistep is the Swiss company that has been hired by these
5 game developers to find and identify potential infringers
of their games. Only trouble is they have a poor track record,
having been banned in Italy, Germany, and in their home
country, IIRC. The accuracy of their investigation
techniques is questionable at best; in some ways it is
similar to that of MediaSentry.
Davenport Lyons is the UK law firm that has been pursuing
alleged sharers of games such as Dream Pinball 3D, Colin Mc
Rae Dirt, Two Worlds, The Witcher, and Alone In The Dark. And
their methods are also questionable at best. Their cases are
built on a house of cards, and they've backed down whenever
any defense is mounted against them. Slyck.com has been
covering this in their forums for some time in this topic
»www.slyck.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=44092
It contains links to both the Dream Pinball and Colin McRae
Dirt threads.
But there is some good news for those who are being threatened
by them: Solicitor Advocate Michael Coyle has offered to
defend as many of the 25,000 the game companies and DL are
accusing - for free.
»torrentfreak.com/alleged-uk-game···t-489038
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| dragus13@hotmail.com all this does is not make people not want buy your games at all just like just like when the riaa starting sueing people. i stopped buying all there Artist and started buying indy Artist after they started doing it. i think other people are fedup with the sue suits to beside me and i believe there going have the same fait will happen to the game developers. to bad the usa even pasted the dmca that was the law that gave them the power to sue people anyways. not the copyright law they want people to believe it was the copyright law because there scared that the people will backlash and try get the law changed. | |
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1 edit | It don't matter to me... Personally, I don't care as I buy my PC games. But at the same time, I want to copy the said games for a working CD/DVD to play; use emulator software, because scratching them isn't if it'll happen just when; and no spy and malware enclosed, with the damn warning inside the box (BF2142 issue).
PLUS, have a SDK with import/export plugins for not only 3dsmax and Maya for editing/tweaking game animations. Too often when a publisher does offer them, the features you want to export can't be exported.
Which is another reason I'm turning more and more to D2D for my games, not only not to worry about scratches, not needing some cd crack to play it without a disk (as some are a royal pain to get to work even in emulator software). If you're a gamer those disks add up over the years, and I have mine all the way back to 1985 (and no I don't resale them, as when I buy them, I want to play them for years and do).
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