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R.I.P Bassman442
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join:2005-11-23
Erial, NJ | If not a network neutrality issue now... ...it will be when the ISP's start buying up these companies. | |
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ender7074
join:2006-11-21
Saint Louis, MO | Not really worth it. I tried out the service in St. Louis. I didn't notice any real drop in pings. Maybe a few points but nothing to get excited about. Just another smoke and mirrors thing to seperate people from their money. | |
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 | teck9
join:2002-05-02
Fort Lauderdale, FL | Re: Not really worth it. yea i tried it too , comcast does a decent job with my routes | |
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elios
join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO | Re: Not really worth it. even still i tryed it on mediacom here and i have such crappy routing it didnt help at all | |
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Cheese
Premium
join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
clubs:
| I was in on the beta..... I wasn't impressed. They didn't peer Comcast yet last time I downloaded the latest beta so we could FULLY test it and they are on the "verge" of official release? The closest to me was Atlanta and my pings were absolutely no different. And I am not about to PAY for this service since I feel it was NOT fully tested the way it should HAVE been. | |
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Maxo
Your tax dollars at work.
Premium,VIP
join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL
clubs: | Interleave It won't help us poor Embarq customer's who are stuck on Interleave with no hope of fastpath in site. | |
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deadi
Premium
join:2001-08-26
Perry, OH
1 edit | Re: Interleave Yep, I asked my provider to provision me with fastpath and they did. Dropped my ping 40ms. Interleave involves error checking between you and the DSLAM. Error checking is done in the TCPIP suite and I believe generally by(to a point, verifying timing)most games you play outside of any protocol. That much error checking is not needed and just slows down your connection and causes latency.
Most games do work over the UDP protocol where there is no error checking. It is not needed.
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Maxo
Your tax dollars at work.
Premium,VIP
join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL
clubs: | Re: Interleave The big problem is that for many of us, interleave is not needed. They simply put the vast majority of their customers on it at sign-up and then refuse to remove it. | |
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viperpa33s
Why Me?
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join:2002-12-20
Bradenton, FL | Why should we pay extra Why should the customer pay extra for something that the cable company or telco should be providing in the first place? The next queston is, if high latency is bad then why do the cable and telco's promote great internet experience? | |
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BryanOnRR
join:2007-06-22
Brandon, FL
1 edit | Re: Why should we pay extra
A waste of money, you take the money you would pay these scammers and pay for a better internet connection. | |
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halfband
Premium
join:2002-06-01
Huntsville, AL
| said by viperpa33s  :Why should the customer pay extra for something that the cable company or telco should be providing in the first place? This is something that is targeted at gamers. The average mom and pop user does not know about or care about latency even when it is well above 100mS. Gamers on the other hand need it and have proven that they are willing to pay for it. The ISP provides a general use service, it is not tailored to the needs of gamers. This company is trying to fill that market as an add-on service.
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deadi
Premium
join:2001-08-26
Perry, OH
| Re: Why should we pay extra
"This is something that is targeted at gamers."
Agreed and is a poor excuse for not providing good service. I will guess those that are not "savy" to the internet might try a game and will not get good results. how will that effect the gaming industry?
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15063053
This space for rent.
join:2007-07-22
| said by viperpa33s :Why should the customer pay extra for something that the cable company or telco should be providing in the first place? The next queston is, if high latency is bad then why do the cable and telco's promote great internet experience? Wow! I think you need a lesson in Backbone Providers, Peering Points, and ISP Networks.
The ISP's are only responsible for their network not the entire Net.
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deadi
Premium
join:2001-08-26
Perry, OH
| Re: Why should we pay extra Yes but why do some providers get great results and gameplay to a server halfway across the country and others in the same approx. area cannot?
I believe a lot has to do with the backbone provider and the relationship that ISP chooses to have with neighboring networks. The rest is oversubscribing the local loops.
My friends 10 miles away are routed through Washington D.C., then to Texas to get to a server in Chicago from Ohio!!! 21 hops in a traceroute. My ISP gives a much better 11 hop tracreoute and great ping.
Too bad they only have a choice of 2 providers both of which stink. I am lucky, 1 of my 2 choices provide good service.
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Richard B
Fur It Up
join:2007-06-22
Portland, OR
 ·Comcast
| Re: Why should we pay extra You are asking for something that is not possible with current internet technology. You are not buying a dedicated connection because each pack of data travels independently of the backbone provider. Since the days of ARPANET, the internet was design for robustness at the sacrifice of latency. It is conceivable that me and my neighbor, who attempt to access the same server, across country, using the same ISP, have data our packets travel on totally different networks. Your friends just happen to win the luck of the draw. If you really want constant latency, the real solution is to buy a dedicated T1 connect to the game server. | |
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deadi
Premium
join:2001-08-26
Perry, OH
| Re: Why should we pay extra Wait, why should I spend 1000 bucks a month on a T1 line when I have good service already? There is not that much of a difference between a T1 line and an ADSL line. They both talk to the backbone in similar ways. T1 is old, more expensive technology and I do not need a 1 hour Service Level Agreement.
It is possible. My latency remains steady around 38ms all the time and my traceroutes do generally follow the same path. I believe when the ISP and the backbone providers have reliable networks and they get along with the neighboring networks, it all works fine. | |
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join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
| Wrong your ISP has a POP (or a few) to the internet and ALL of your traffic will travel through the one they have configured for you location before it gets to the internet.
Once the traffic is outside the network it will be routed based on best effort and most efficient per their peering agreements. | |
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inteller
Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK | iPhone owners and "gamer nic" owners get in line here is another way to waste your money. | |
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Cheese
Premium
join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
clubs:
| Re: iPhone owners and "gamer nic" owners get in line said by inteller :here is another way to waste your money. What does iPhone have anything to do with Gamerail? Not a damn thing as far as I can see and besides, the iPhone is already a waste of money. | |
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join:2006-11-21
Saint Louis, MO | Re: iPhone owners and "gamer nic" owners get in line Thats kind of the point... The iPhone is a waste of money as is the "gaming" nic... | |
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Cheese
Premium
join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
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| Re: iPhone owners and "gamer nic" owners get in line said by ender7074 :Thats kind of the point... The iPhone is a waste of money as is the "gaming" nic... Yea, I see that now, read it differently earlier  | |
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join:2006-11-21
Saint Louis, MO | Re: iPhone owners and "gamer nic" owners get in line  | |
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twizlar
I dont think so.
Premium
join:2003-12-24
Brantford, ON
| Waste of money Been testing this for 6 months or so and it is pretty terrible. My pings actually increased to chicago and dallas and were insanely high to the west coast.
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MSauk
MSauk
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join:2002-01-17
Sandy, UT | Re: Waste of money in my email i received the special for beta people were for 95.99 for 12 months. It was called the Founders Plan. | |
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twizlar
I dont think so.
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join:2003-12-24
Brantford, ON | Re: Waste of money Yeah, same here. | |
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| vick04
join:2006-08-06
South Richmond Hill, NY
| I have been testing their service for about 2 months now. Right now the amount of servers on their "network" is very limited. Out of the two servers i played on only one of them was supported. The most i saw my ping drop was only 4ms. That is with 9ms ping to the New York gateway. I cant really see myself paying $11 a month to lower my ping by 4ms maybe 20ms. | |
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| | LightS
join:2005-12-17
Granbury, TX
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| Re: Waste of money You need to use some common sense.
The amount of servers on their REAL network, IS, not "limited"
Nearly EVERY server I play on is peered with it.
If you would READ a little bit, they say "if you only play on local servers, then gamerail is probably not for you"
Okay?
Just because it doesn't work for YOU, doesn't mean it doesn't benefit anybody else | |
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| ElJay
join:2004-03-17
·Great Works Internet
| I can't see the value in it unless your ISP and whoever they're peering with are extremely lousy. If they're so lousy that the route to GameRail's tunnel is slow, there's no way that GameRail is going to improve that. Not to mention that the users need to be fairly close to (both physically and in regards to IP transport) the edge of the GameRail network or else the benefit just isn't there. | |
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Drakemoore
join:2005-02-03
Hawthorne, FL | Woohoo... Just another way for companies to get your money. I'd be more afraid of our actual providers taking this approach locking latency and putting up an add-on gamer package to reduce it.. | |
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deadi
Premium
join:2001-08-26
Perry, OH
| Not for me... Based on the picture above, I would be going backwards if I signed up with Gamerail. Like I said recently, If Gamerail can do it why cant your ISP do it? You still have to travel the same network, no?
I guess I am lucky to have a good ISP.
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dmgg
@comcast.net | Re: Not for me... i'm stuck with comcast as the only isp where i live :X this is sounding really good about now | |
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deadi
Premium
join:2001-08-26
Perry, OH
3 edits | Woops nevermind...... Error Will Robinson Error.
Bad command or file name, go stand in corner. | |
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Nickker0322
@feico.com | You know... This is probably a start up company looking to be bought out by one of these large ISP companies (Charter/Comcast). | |
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brianiscool
join:2000-08-16
Miami, FL | hah I see no points to this. I get 25ms pings without such special service. If this becomes mainstream big ISP's will just offer the same service for free. | |
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| LightS
join:2005-12-17
Granbury, TX | Re: hah GameRail isn't for you then.
Read the damn website. | |
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LightS
join:2005-12-17
Granbury, TX
·EarthLink
| GameRail WORKS GREAT. Here's the deal
TRY IT OUT
If you don't like it, don't use it, and don't make up a bunch of lies.
Just like the moron who earlier posted about having windows 2000, get a clue.
Try it.
If it doesn't work for you, too bad.
A lot of people can benefit from this, me being one. | |
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IWLoneWolf
join:2005-12-09
Dallas, OR
·Qwest.net
·Charter Pipeline
1 edit | Been testing it too I have been testing Gamerail some it does cut my hops in half and have seen somes improvement at times using gamerail when my normal path to the server in Texas I play on give me high spiking pings.But Keep in mind this service is new,did the internet work the best everyone wanted it to when it first came out.Time and testing of this service for the user will be the real proof.If it helps a user with there connection to a game server, then they can decide if it is worth the cost or not if the performance difference is not enough to justify the cost do not use it and do not pay the cost.Example for me DSL is much better then dial-up for online gaming so I for go the cost difference for DSL,That's my choice. | |
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