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(old news - 05:00PM Friday Mar 08 2002)
When you see this screen what will you do? -- despite supposedly resolving security issues with its digital wallet software, Gator corporation still finds its application being branded a "Trojan" by Symantec. Ironic, considering Symantec is one of the companies that have invested in Gator corporation.


The "digital wallet" called Gator seems to be spawned from a swamp as murky its reptile mascot. The windows application (labelled Adware/Spyware by unwanted links) has come under fire numerous times for both "devious" practices in the ad industry AND having a spotty security record.

Gator comes bundled with many software applications, and is also installed (with only a
brief pause for the user to deny it) merely by visiting many websites that have chosen to be paid by Gator to include the installer links in their pages (the ad-supported community forum ezboard.com is one offender).

In-experienced users agree to the installation notice since it comes in the familiar windows form -- perhaps not understanding fully the dense pages of semi-legal text (hidden behind the links) to which they are then tacitly accepting.

As a result of these "Guerilla marketing" tactics, learned by the Gator execs from their stints at Excite and other "dotbombs", the software is installed on over ten million computers. While the application is marketed heavily as something helpful (we fill out your forms for you!), its main purpose is to track users shopping habits, and provide them with customized advertisements for products, which kick back fees to the Gator corp when purchased. (all this information is in their fine print).

Gator was recent target of the Interactive Advertising Bureau, who criticized the company for not properly informing users of the software's true function, and not providing adequate (and clear) means of uninstalling the application. Gator came under further criticism for its sly trick of replacing website advertisements with its own banners, sucking revenue away from websites without their approval or permission.

Gator filed suit against the IAB, claiming that the bureau's claims were unfounded. Last November the suit disappeared, and the two parties decided to take their spat to the backrooms after Gator disabled that feature, where they would work on more acceptable solution.

The Gator security problems were exposed last month by a security researcher who calls himself "Obscure". The vulnerability allows the application to be tricked into placing spyware and other assorted nasties on the user's PC. The technical specifications can be found at the Eye on Security website.

Gator claims they have resolved the issue, replacing the application installer with a replacement free of holes. Symantec is still listing the application installer as being infected with a trojan horse. The Gator home page does not mention or admit the security hole, rather they offer a software upgrade "for enhanced security".

Gator corporation has been making proclamations over the past few days about how it wants to spearhead new standards in the on-line advertisement industry. Their newly proposed rules, many of which Gator themselves have violated in the past, would require publishers to obtain consent for installing software or displaying ads, and include ways to opt-out or uninstall any such software.. The cynical may think that such rules are designed to "lock in" Gator and its installed base as the premier spyware app foisted on unsuspecting users, and "lock out" any of their competitors?

Wish to remove Gator from your computer? we clicked many times around their site until we found this FAQ entry: here. Follow it and be free!

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SRFireside

join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX

Digital Wallets... feh

We're not talking about major inconveniences regarding manually typing this information when you buy. If you are worried about the security of a digital wallet just don't use it. Digital wallets are for the most part a tiny luxury for the average consumer.

SMCinAZ
Premium
join:2000-11-29
Glendale, AZ
clubs:

Gator Is Worse Than A Trojan or Virus

Worst piece of trash software ever concocted.

Digital
As-Salamu Alaykum
Premium
join:2000-07-24
Mentor, OH

Re: Gator Is Worse Than A Trojan or Virus

said by smcinsjc:
Worst piece of trash software ever concocted.
I couldn't agree more.

Majestik
World Traveler
Premium
join:2001-05-11
Tulsa, OK
clubs:
Indeed.
Manik D

join:2001-03-23
Brooklyn, NY
I completely agree with you. I have never trusted Gator, and I don't want any useless software on my PC.

Mashiki
Balking The Enemy's Plans

join:2002-02-04
Woodstock, ON
·Bright House
·Rogers Hi-Speed

Yes...

I have a wallet too...and in it I put all my needed information. Mostly into my back pocket, but...with the lack of security that they use for the digitial wallets and such, mostly either being a 64 or 128bit cypher it only takes 5-6 computers in a beowolf cluster to break it into itty peices and pull the information apart. But regardless this is spam ware nothing else.

Anubis Prime

join:2001-06-01
Indianola, PA
·Comcast

Re: Yes...

My wallet is in my pocket as well. Instead of 64 or 128 bit cipher strength protecting it, I have my two fists. It's worked well thus far.

I HATE when companies try to be real KEEN by secretly installing software on our computers, or ill-informing customers of the true functions of the software.

Maybe if we cracked-down more on these fools instead of trying to 'milk' Microsoft over nonsense that only matters to lawyers and socialists maybe the internet would be a better place.

Daishi7
Premium
join:2002-02-24
clubs:

Thank you Symantec!

thank you, thank you.

mags2
Agent Provocateur

join:2001-07-19
SoCal

Gator Companion

...preying on neophyte netizens *everywhere*

Rally1

join:2000-06-12
Irvine, CA
·AT&T U-Verse

when i see it i cry

It hurts me when I see someone else’s computer, with that horrid little green and orange gator down in the taskbar.

If ask the person what it is, the common answer is "I have no idea". About 2 mins later I have taken it off their computer (until they are suckered into installing it again!)

That gator and the purple gorilla are my least fav. animals.

The number of stupid little icons on your taskbar is inversely proportional to your computer knowledge!
CatholicJedi

join:2001-09-28
Mesa, AZ

Re: when i see it i cry

I agree with that. Also, system-tray efficient people are generally more knowledgable about computers than those who let programs go where they want, when they want.
--
"May you live all the days of your life."

SeminoleRob

join:2001-12-19
Panama City, FL
The Gator and that Comet Cursor are the worst.

xdeadhead
220, 221, Whatever It Takes.
Premium
join:2000-11-08
Mechanicsburg, PA
LMAO. couldnt be more true. tray icons and inverse proprtion.....im still LMAO...thats great!

Anubis Prime

join:2001-06-01
Indianola, PA
·Comcast

I also hate when I walk into the 'IT' department and see workstations with 50,000 icons in the systray. THEN I hear "My computer's so slowwwwww".

People in general are 'tards'. They buy 30-40000 cars and don't read the manuals or change the oil. Should we then feel bad for them since they installed Gator, or 'caught' a virus?

What do you do with bad drivers??? You take their license away. What do you do with bad netziens??? You shut them off!!! Just like some ISPs did w/ code red--ones who had balls anyway. They warned people to use a firewall or run some antivirus, the folks didn't listen. Then one day those people had NO internet connection. Too damn bad. I'm through feeling bad for people.

Point: If you take the time to buy a computer and access the internet, you HAVE to have consideration for other people. If you install Gator, lost money, whatever... don't fill up the message boards with gobbledy-gook--"boo-hoo, they stole my password"..or "now my AOL doesn't work".
Stinkface

join:2002-02-23
Lawrence, MA

Re: when i see it i cry

The sad part is that us 'IT' people are the ones who pay the price for the ignorance of our users. "Waaaaaaaaaaa my computer is slow. Waaaaaaaaaaaa I can't access this or I can't access that."

Or how bout the ever famous "I didn't change or install anything! I just turned it on and it doesn't work anymore." Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

And if you act now, you'll also recieve, "It was working fine until the IT dept did something to it."

But wait there's more! Call in the next 10 minutes and you'll also recieve your own very special copy of "Whining User Hidden Spyware." Of course it's in divX format so you'll have to contact the It dept and whine, "waaaaaaaaaaaa How come I can't play this video."

Tards is putting it midly brother, they're absolute losers! Or as we fondly call em, "end losers". Adware was built for the UNAware and there are far more of them than there are of us.

Long live popup killers!
Peace and Love Yo ...

gsdan
Boom Boom

join:2000-07-12
Milwaukee, WI
I use Gator and I am not stupid.I block gators access in ZA.
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If you can`t laugh at yourself;Laugh at me.

John2Jonnie
I'm An XXy Kinda Gal

join:2000-08-11
NJ

Re: when i see it i cry

said by gsdan:
I use Gator and I am not stupid.
Thanks for todays oxymoron

Eatmeingreek
Gentard

join:2001-06-29
San Francisco, CA

It's a pig, too

I was helping a client who complained his computer started up too slowly. He had willingly installed Gator (he's a fairly sophisticated user.) So I turn on a few columns on the Windows Task Manager to see what was causing the disk to grind so heavily on logon. That damn gator thing was doing 500,000 disk reads on startup! The poor little laptop it was installed on just couldn't take it.

Avoid that stuff like the plague.
--
What the hell are we supposed to use, man? Harsh language? - Private Frost, from the movie Aliens
CatholicJedi

join:2001-09-28
Mesa, AZ

Re: It's a pig, too

Avoid it first, and if necessary, take ad-aware and nuke it.
--
"May you live all the days of your life."

Techie2000
In Vertigo
Premium
join:2001-12-05
clubs:

Need a Gator like program that's better?

I use KeyWallet from »www.keywallet.com/ and love it. It's skinnable, and freeware. No ads or spyware.
starfighter

join:2000-12-11
Valencia, CA

Re: Need a Gator like program that's better?

If you are so lazy that a wallet appeals to you, use the auto-complete function built into Internet Explorer 5.5 and 6.0.

koam
Pink Pecker
Premium
join:2000-08-16
East Puddle
clubs:
·Shoreham Telephone
·ViaTalk
·surpasshosting

Re: Need a Gator like program that's better?

gator works better than autocomplete. many sites don't support autocomplete.

i have DOZENS of sites to log into. i couldn't possibly remember all the logins and passwords
--
I dumped Verizon DSL and got OOL. Smartest thing I ever did...Dude, you're gettin' a Dell.

Kappsin

@rr.com

Re: Need a Gator like program that's better?

Anyone that would say they use Gator to help them login to sites is just a plain fool. Gator is a Trojan! Its that simply, its sleezeware at its worse. The people that put it out know what they are doing, if you install it willing, you deserve all the headaches and intrusions that you get!

koam
Pink Pecker
Premium
join:2000-08-16
East Puddle
clubs:

Re: Need a Gator like program that's better?

anyone who had balls would register before flaming my ass.

Techie2000
In Vertigo
Premium
join:2001-12-05
clubs:

It's not so much because of laziness, its because I always use different usernames and passwords for stuff, and i use it for the password Generator. AutoComplete won't do that for me...
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Hiroshima

join:2002-03-08
Longview, TX


Worse than a trojan...

I have gone to sites where that window has popped up, clicked NO and 10 minutes later i'll notice that alligator icon in my system tray. It's incredibly annoying and we should organize a group of people to bring a law suite against that company and bleed them dry of all their money. We could claim it gives us arthritus in our hands/fingers because we have to delete the so many times.
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mags2
Agent Provocateur

join:2001-07-19
SoCal


Ad-Aware 5.62 kills spyware dead

Gator, Comet and Cydoor, etc. For those of you who have
"no idea" what those cutesy little icons are in the task bar, or are generally clueless pc users with an internet connection, click on »www.lavasoftUSA.com Download. Install. Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

[text was edited by author 2002-03-08 19:53:57]

beeman65

join:2001-07-23
Mckeesport, PA

Re: Ad-Aware 5.62 kills spyware dead

I agree. The only thing I have in XP's Scheduled Tasks program is that. Every Thursday in the afternoon. I find I get a few new instances of spyware every week using the the Deep Scans.

ArchAngel21x
MacFan Pro
Premium
join:2001-10-28
Lincoln, NE
·Internet Nebraska

Yeah, and it killed Kazaa. After I installed Kazaa, I ran Ad Aware, and when I tried to run Kazaa it said components needed to run were missing. I like the fast track network, but Morpheus won't use it anymore, and I don't like Spyware. What am I supposed to do now?
--
Arch Angel - "Death is irrelevant"
sonicice

join:2001-07-25
Coldwater, MI

Re: Ad-Aware 5.62 kills spyware dead

Check out Kazaa Lite which is a hacked version of Kazaa which is Spyware free.

»www.refosearch.tk/
ACamden

join:2001-12-20
USA


Re: Ad-Aware 5.62 kills spyware dead

said by sonicice:
Check out Kazaa Lite which is a hacked version of Kazaa which is Spyware free.

»www.refosearch.tk/
Whatever you do DON'T click on that link. You get about a dozen pop up windows, and after you close them, about a minute later they all come back. Full page porn ads with no X to close them too, you have to use Alt+4 to close the stupid things. I had to clean out my temp files and internet cache.
[text was edited by author 2002-03-09 15:48:24]

ONE HUMAN

@sympatico.ca

Re: Ad-Aware 5.62 kills spyware dead

KaZaA Lite download link (without popups): »kazaalite.infinitehosting.net/download.htm

.....

ONE HUMAN's World: www.geocities.com/one_human

Cool Programs, Tips & Tricks, Great Links, and more!

ONE HUMAN

@sympatico.ca

Re: Ad-Aware 5.62 kills spyware dead

(Oops, I didn't make the link clickable)

ONE HUMAN's World: »www.geocities.com/one_human

Cool Programs, Tips & Tricks, Great Links, and more!
ACamden

join:2001-12-20
USA
You can go to this thread and it shows you how to disable the spyware in KaZaa and still use it.

»Here's how to disable the Kazaa spyware

Nsane_iceman
Workaholic
Premium
join:2001-02-26
North Richland Hills, TX
clubs:


School's computers

Hehehe all my teachers computer at school have the Comet Cursor or gator on them...

I just laugh and fix thier computers..


--
XP Pro rocks for SETI and UD!!

[text was edited by author 2002-03-08 21:33:36]

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koam
Pink Pecker
Premium
join:2000-08-16
East Puddle
clubs:

i like my gator

saves me a lot of time. i've had other wallets. gator works better and does more for me.

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pcdebb
RIP dadkins
Premium
join:2000-12-03
Tampa, FL
clubs:

eh

i've been getting that damn purple gorilla trying to force itself on me lately. and i hate sites that force comet cursor on you too

Doctor Four
My other vehicle is a TARDIS
Premium
join:2000-09-05
Dallas, TX
·AT&T U-Verse

All three of the nasties in this thread can get...

onto your system by ActiveX. Comet Curse (misspelled
intentionally) was the first to take advantage of
this, followed by Gator and that horrid purple Gorilla,
Bonzi Buddy. (BTW, 2 of Bonzi's other offerings are
questionable or even pure snake oil. Those are Internet
Boost - does for $30 what many freeware programs will do,
and Internet Alert - a pseudo-firewall that's really one
of those "evil port monitors" Steve Gibson warns people
about. Not only that, but probably get the gorilla as
unwanted foistware.)
--
"The trouble with computers, of course, is that they're
very sophisticated idiots." -
Doctor Who

BrooklynZoo
For Everthing Else, There's Mastercard

join:2001-04-01
Atlanta, GA

Gator....grrrr

Gator is that Digital Wallet that is setting you up for a Virtual Pick Pocket by others.
--
"What?" - WWF's "Stone Cold" Steve Austin

Penguins
Have You Played Atari Today?

join:2001-12-01
Cleveland, OH

One word... ROBOFORM.

Free.

Spyware Free.

Works.

»www.roboform.com
scarletsmith

join:2001-08-01
Laurel, MD

What do you do when you see that screen?

Run Away!

I don't want a "digital wallet". I don't need a "digital wallet". Stop trying to install your "digital wallet" spyware on my box, dagnabit!

Theo2002

join:2002-02-28
Clermont, FL

What I do

I hit ALT-F4 to close that window. Not only that, but there are pop ups with NO window controls whatsoever; the entire window area is 'live' and clickable. I use ZoneAlarm as a software firewall behind my filtered router, mainly for intercepting OUTGOING traffic. I will most likely buy version 3.0 of ZoneAlarm once I get a job again LOL. Other software that sits on my tray is NAV - best antivirus, easy to work with etc. ICQ/Microsoft Messenger are the only chat progs I use (besides mIRC of course). Anything else that appears mysteriously in my list of processes, I investigate. Oh and I don't like Adobe Online spyware either, so I have deleted these nice dll's.

NOVA_Guy
Obama- Commander in Thief
Premium
join:2002-03-05
·VOIPo

Re: What I do

Could you please elaborate on the Adobe Online stuff, or provide a link to more info? I'm curious about the specifics here...
--
"Objects in the rear view mirror may appear closer than they are." - Meat Loaf, Bat out of Hell II
SVTRanger

join:2001-07-17
00000

Die gator die!

DIE!

Playa4life

join:2002-01-13
Carmichael, CA
clubs:

Another reason why Gator is a piece of S***T!!

WHO THE HELL NEEDS GATOR?? If you average out the time it takes you to close their advertisements, and the time you save from having them automatically entering your information, your losing time! I've said it before, and I will say it again, GATOR IS THE BIGGEST PIECE OF S***T THAT I HAVE EVER HAD THE DISPLEASURE OF USING!
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