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| Maine and Massachusetts Maine and Massachusetts have what's called the people's veto referendum where the citizens can gather the signatures of registered voters and push a referendum to let the voters decide if a law takes effect.
If Massachusetts were to pass such a measure, it probably would not survive the referendum. And such a measure banning public broadband would never pass the democratically controlled Massachusetts legislature.
Massachusetts has pretty good access to broadband except for a few communities in western Mass and the Quabbin reservoir area. Some parts have even three choices. Springfield has D3, even though the only other option is DSL. Maine has good connectivity in southern Maine, northern Maine has connectivity issues. -- I've experienced ImOn (when they were McLeod USA), Mediacom, Comcast, and Time Warner. They are much better than broadcast TV.
I have not and will not cut the cord. | |
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| That political affiliation says it all What's the common factor in the majority of states with such ridiculous laws? They are diehard (R) voting types.
These guys hate and loathe guvmint, but are willing to take anything from the private sector, even at their own expense.
Remember the programing, Government voted by the people for the people apparently = bad. Whereas, private corporations accountable to nobody but themselves and their shareholders apparently = good. | |
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 |  LinklistPremium join:2002-03-03 Longport, NJ kudos:5 | Re: That political affiliation says it all said by Telco:What's the common factor in the majority of states with such ridiculous laws? They are diehard (R) voting types.
No, they are diehard pols. And ALL pols(D & R) votes are for sale to get re-election money. The telcos are bi-partisan pol buyers. -- Senate - get off your butts and actually create a budget that has spending cuts 3x the amount of tax increases like you promised.
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 |  |  | | Re: That political affiliation says it all Look at where he posts.. he won't believe a word of that. | |
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 |  |  | | Yep its the political whores who will vote for any bill if the right price is paid, be it a Democrat or a Republican whore. The American public is being screwed by their elected whores and most don't even realize it! Very few honest politicians in office,that's for sure | |
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 |  |  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium join:2000-01-17 Tulsa, OK | The (R)ed states pass the bans and also deregulate the companies so that PUC or Corporation Commissions have no oversight over their abuses. -- "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
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A little of both. We have Pennsylvania,Michigan, Wisconsin,MN,Virgina,North Carolina, South Carolina, Florida,Alabama,Texas,Arkansas, Mizzou,Washington,Nebraska, Colorado,LA,Utah, Nevada and Tenn. These laws don't pass without R and D support most of the time. | |
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 2 edits | community broadband is communist Imagine if the state were to start competing with private businesses by setting up coffee shops. Imagine if they subsidized these businesses with public tax dollars to drive private businesses OUT of business. This could be considered communist...communism is a failure of epic proportions.
The state then starts to increase your taxes to pay for these enterprises. The state sets up restaurants, hospitals, cable news channels, electronic manufacturers....all subsidized with public tax dollars to drive out private businesses. The state raises your taxes to 90% to provide you with all these services. You then have to work for one of these state owned businesses because they are the only thing left. It even stops paying u a salary..instead u get a tax deductible voucher to purchase goods and services from other state owned companies.
Do you see the problem now?!?!?!?! | |
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 |  | | Re: community broadband is communist Ignoring the false and rather juvenile suggestion that a town wanting to improve itself is "communism" and would result in a hysterical takeover of the universe -- there's a very simple solution for carriers to prevent this from happening: offer better services. | |
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 |  |  | | Re: community broadband is communist i'm just giving other examples of this situation...what ifs on other private businesses. | |
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 |  VanPremium join:2009-07-08 New Orleans, LA | said by markbot:Imagine if the state were to start competing with private businesses by setting up coffee shops. The fact that you use a coffee shop to compare that situation to this shows how little you have to back up your argument.
And yet again, why are you running to the most extreme part of this argument? Did anyone say they want the government involved in EVERY BUSINESS AT EVERY CORNER? Of course not.
When private sectors completely ignore residents, the cities SHOULD HAVE THE DISCRETION to build if they want to....why is that so hard to understand? | |
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 |  firephotoFacts hurtPremium join:2003-03-18 Brewster, WA | said by markbot:Do you see the problem now?!?!?!?! Yes, you equate consumer comfort markets (except the hospital) with vital needs to communities.
Private hospitals making money, making so much money that they can pay investors, lobby governments, manipulate what medical procedures are given, all at the cost of peoples health and lives. (that's problem #2). It's the perfect example of something the government should be doing but the private medical industry is so entrenched that they can manipulate the industry to make government institutions look bad and get vocal people to believe it.
You also take the common tactic and Ignore the fact that an internet connection is a utility and this fact is only masked by billions of dollars spent by private companies to keep it from being an expected service and forever being just a privilege. -- Say no to astroturfing. actions > Ignore Author | |
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 |  KearnstdElf WizardPremium join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ | You have failed.
First off coffee shops have competition and they do not have an artificially protected market. Anybody can buy or lease a location and try and make a successful shop.
Also non private hospitals and health care would be a boon for this country. We are the only modern nation that has slaved its well being to the whim of the shareholders. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports | |
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 |  | | Please explain what town does not have at least 5 coffee shops.
However, what is someone to do when they cannot get broadband...at all? Who would the "government" be competing with? Obviously, no one is providing service, so there is no competition.
Also, this is more a local government action than a state or federal action. Generally, it takes the form of a public-private cooperative, so it's not even fully government-controlled. | |
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 |  patcat88 join:2002-04-05 Jamaica, NY kudos:1 | said by markbot:Imagine if the state were to start competing with private businesses by setting up police stations. Imagine if they subsidized these businesses with public tax dollars to drive private security businesses OUT of business. This could be considered communist...communism is a failure of epic proportions.
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Do you see the problem now?!?!?!?! fixed it for ya | |
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 |  |  | | Re: community broadband is communist good one, but in this case a private business has already set up the enterprise....which later on is deemed vital and then the govt effectively destroys the private business and takes over the industry. sound familiar???!?!?!? | |
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 |  |  |  KearnstdElf WizardPremium join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ | Re: community broadband is communist said by markbot:good one, but in this case a private business has already set up the enterprise....which later on is deemed vital and then the govt effectively destroys the private business and takes over the industry. sound familiar???!?!?!? Sounds like the Rural Electrification Act.
The government stepped in and did what private industry would not because private industry cares more about their stock price than their customers.
If the REA never happened I bet midwestern farms would still be waiting for electricity. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports | |
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 |  | | To all morons who really don't understand COMMUNIST:
Just imagine Dunkin Dognuts paying off local commisar-politicians to disapprove business licenses for any other coffee shop, and at the same time, legally limiting the number of coffee shops (only one in each area) so Dunkin get all the business!
When that happens, come back and start yelling COMMUNIST again! | |
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 |  |  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium join:2000-01-17 Tulsa, OK | Re: community broadband is communist That however would actually be called Deregulation and "Leveling the Playing field" in most states. | |
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 |  |  dra6o0n join:2011-08-15 Mississauga, ON | What's very common is that Americans can't tell the difference between communism and socialism. | |
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 |  | | said by markbot:Do you see the problem now?!?!?!?! Which is worse, A private company writing its own laws or community broadband? | |
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 |  |  openbox9Premium join:2004-01-26 japan kudos:2 | Re: community broadband is communist The politicians that vote arguably questionable legislation into law? | |
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 |  |  |  | | Re: community broadband is communist said by openbox9:The politicians that vote arguably questionable legislation into law? WHAT? | |
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 |  |  |  |  openbox9Premium join:2004-01-26 japan kudos:2 | Re: community broadband is communist You suggested that corporations somehow magically create laws, which isn't accurate. They may influence legislation, but ultimately the laws come from our elected officials. The legislators are to blame, plain and simple. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  2 edits | Re: community broadband is communist said by openbox9:You suggested that corporations somehow magically create laws They use money. No magic needed or implied.
When corporate influence gets to the point that people are demonizing community works without being shamed we should question if Corporatism is working.
Problem is we have such a top heavy federal tax. If it were removed, then communities would not have to grovel to get their own money back, or face stigmas when trying to IMPROVE life for its local residents. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  openbox9Premium join:2004-01-26 japan kudos:2 | Re: community broadband is communist said by DataRiker:They use money. No magic needed or implied. Great, corporations use money. Who ultimately has the power to vote a bill into law? | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: community broadband is communist Have you ever considered these politicians get elected with Corporate cash and influence with false promises?
Kind of defeats your whole implied argument. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  KearnstdElf WizardPremium join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ | Re: community broadband is communist except now with SuperPACs we do not even know exactly where every single billion has come from. If I remember correctly, Unlike normal campaign donations a superPAC does not have to say who gives them money. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  openbox9Premium join:2004-01-26 japan kudos:2 | It doesn't defeat anything. It demonstrates that we're lazy, ignorant, and that maybe things aren't bad enough yet since we continue electing these public servants back into office. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me? | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: community broadband is communist lay people have very little influence on who runs for political office. In both time and money.
The whole political system has been perverted. The system was never designed for people to have great concern for who they elect to federal office as they had little or no power over their day to day lives.
People can not be expected to tightly watch or regulate federal politicians. It is not practical. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  openbox9Premium join:2004-01-26 japan kudos:2 | Re: community broadband is communist said by DataRiker:lay people have very little influence on who runs for political office. In both time and money. Huh? Maybe not who runs, but if they vote, they sure as hell have influence on who is elected.said by DataRiker:People can not be expected to tightly watch or regulate federal politicians. And that's the laziness that I referenced. If we don't care, we deserve what we get. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: community broadband is communist No, I don't think you understand. It is not possible for any normal working person to "keep watch" on federal elected officials.
The original intent was to have social and economic issues handled at the local and state level, where constituents can monitor their elected officials.
Having federal officials make the lion share of public policy is a massive failure, and always will be.
Nobody has the time nor the energy to track and understand all federal laws and regulations.
Your just giving a dumb cliche response. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  openbox9Premium join:2004-01-26 japan kudos:2 | Re: community broadband is communist said by DataRiker:Having federal officials make the lion share of public policy is a massive failure, and always will be. I agree with that. Keep the Feds where they belong. Aren't we discussing a state in this thread though? | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: community broadband is communist You can't discuss the state without discussing the federal government.
All federal laws and regulation override state and local laws, and federal taxes are obviously highest as well. ( should be the opposite ) | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  openbox9Premium join:2004-01-26 japan kudos:2 | Re: community broadband is communist I don't dispute that, but this thread is about GA and the potential legislation that wasn't overridden by Federal law or regulation. Yes, taxes are out of whack as well. They should be reduced across the board and rescoped to focus on important aspects that truly benefit society as a whole, not thrown into the toilet benefiting a small few at best. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  VanPremium join:2009-07-08 New Orleans, LA | said by DataRiker:Having federal officials make the lion share of public policy is a massive failure, and always will be. Having the private sector has proven to be such a miserable failure just as much. | |
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| At times like these I'll laugh very hard if North Korea does end up nuking the USA...
It'll give people a change of view and most especially an excuse for everyone to seriously attack N. Korea.
And no, N. Korea fits into dictatorship, not communism like China. Plus China is changing in their own ways, so it's not the same communism you would have known.
Russia is getting off worse apparently, because their economy recovered, but it costs the people their livelihood. Dictatorship/Communism much? | |
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 |  | | There are a lot of good things about communism that have nothing to do with business, like providing medical care and drugs to people that need them without driving burying them in bills, or refusing them treatment, unless you think providing people with healthcare should be considered a business and not something normally provided by the state anyway.
This is a typical knee-jerk response you normally hear from Republican talking heads. If there was adequate service and reasonable fees, there would be no need for alternatives. I blame Capitalism for that. No offense, but the drive to prevent competition and force everyone to pay the same exorbitant prices for services is almost Communism in practice anyway, that is what preventing choices does. One religion, one store, one provider. Sounds like China to me. | |
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 |  |  dra6o0n join:2011-08-15 Mississauga, ON | Re: community broadband is communist Dude, that's called socialism, or something else since there's so many terms out there. Definitely not communism. | |
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 |  djm61Change? NOW??? join:2001-06-20 Simi Valley, CA | I am dumbfounded! Are you really that dense? | |
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| Jobs So starting a municipal broadband network means you need people to run it. Construction crews, fiber manufacturers, engineers, technicians, trucks, upstream bandwidth, etc. It's not like the government can create free bandwidth out of thin air. You still need the private sector to build a public network. This is why I'm for it. | |
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 andre2 join:2005-08-24 Brookline, MA | "Playing field"? 'The justifications for these rules remain the same, AT&T and Time Warner Cable informing the Journal that they "just want a level playing field":'
Actually, they want just one player (themselves). "Playing field" implies competition. | |
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Telecom Services & Equipment $4,950.00 **** think that influenced him
Public Education Policy $4,000.00 Candidate Committees $2,750.00 General Contractors $2,500.00 Real Estate $2,500.00 Oil & Gas $2,000.00 Business Services $2,000.00 Railroads $2,000.00 Air Transport $1,850.00 Automotive $1,850.00 Tobacco companies & tobacco product sales $1,500.00 Pharmaceuticals & Health Products $1,450.00 Food & Beverage $1,350.00 Business Associations $1,150.00 | |
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| call it like you see it it is corrupt government, be it national, state or local that sells out to monopolies and disadvantages the consumer, with plain and simple language here.
broadband access is not even a scratch on the tip of the iceberg of lower quality of life issues in these states with corrupt governments. just give it a few years.. states in the south oil producing territories will pay as high or higher gasoline prices as the northern states do now as an example-- you already see this in major cities in the south.
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