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join:2002-04-10 | A few million Euros (Francs) Later Germany now has a 3 strikes policy. Our previous statement was in error. The internet is a privilege and no one "REALLY" needs it.
Now, someone please drive us to the bank to cash this nice fat MPAA / RIAA check. | |
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| Re: A few million Euros (Francs) Later The punishment doesn't fit the crime. that's like saying someone can't leave their house forever because they stole $3 from a church collection plate. New idea: send all music downloaders to hell for eternity, that'll teach them. | |
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| Re: A few million Euros (Francs) Later You missed my sarcasm. I was implying that while I disagree with this policy, it's only a matter of time til a large enough check is cut to "Change Minds". I think its STUPID AS HELL to kick people off the internet. The internet links the world together, and has many uses. Job searching, gaming, research, etc. It's a vast network that no one should be forced off of. Either way, it'll probably happen with the U.S. starting this and other countries getting on board. | |
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join:2002-04-10 | Re: A few million Euros (Francs) Later All music downloaders are being sent to Alaska to deal with Governor Palin? I always thought hell was hot....Guess global warming mucked it up into a tundra. | |
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join:2008-10-23 Baytown, TX | Re: A few million Euros (Francs) Later Ya Gore Bull warming has kept Alaska nice and cold on a side note Palin is quite hot
Now send all of the MAFIAA to Satan | |
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2 edits | Re: A few million Euros (Francs) Later Um... Obviously, pictures of the ice shelf melting isn't proof. Then again, you're from Texas. I moved down here and all I got to say, is nothing amazes me from this state anymore. If ignorant, homophobic, racist, and lack of critical thought could be packaged into one... it'd be called Texas. I'm learning that from having moved here. Nice weather, bunch of sheltered fucking people who can't think outside the box.
Obviously, anything science is made up. Go ask that nice church that set up the Museum about the earth being 10,000 yrs old in Kentucky. Sure....
I don't know about you, but if hacking down trees en masse, spewing large amounts of shit pollutants from cars and factories into the air (I'm sure Mexico City and L.A. had smog before all that, right?), doesn't harm things... then um ya bud.... All I got to say. | |
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join:2008-10-23 Baytown, TX 2 edits | Re: A few million Euros (Francs) Later ... | |
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2 edits | Re: A few million Euros (Francs) Later Ice caps are growing? Where might this one be happening? I have YET TO HEAR that one listed anywhere on a factual source. What is happening is that Permafrost in Antarctica is quickly melting, causing ice the size of small countries, to float away. Matter of truth, Alaska has ALSO seen it's ice shelf collapse upon itself. Please, I really want to know since you made this claim. Where are the ice caps growing in large numbers to offset what's happening elsewhere? This will be interesting.
Smog isn't good. But on your basis, it existed long before we got here. L.A. and Mexico City had that problem before man. We just came along and "noticed it", right. Wrong. We create a problem by pumping stuff into the air. If you for one second believe probably a BILLION cars on the road and millions of factories don't cause air pollution I got a bridge to sell you. Stick a cigarette into a closed box, and you tell me if it doesn't fill up with smoke =).
I'm stuck in a cube? No no, this place known as Texas is stuck in something called the 19th century. Hell, I'd be if i looked hard enough, I could find people here who still think the world was flat. Facts, Science, don't mesh well. Land of the churches. Obviously, it must be helping natives here. Seeing how Texas has one of the HIGHEST teen pregnancy rates in the nation. All that religion and old school thinking, really bodes well for clouding reality.
As for why Mars is warming, well I don't know, maybe it lacks that thing known as an Ozone layer to FEND off the sun's radiation. You know those pretty invisible wavelengths of light that one can't see. It's the same reason Planets further away are hotter than earth. O that's right, I bring up science to a man who thinks based off scripture, not reality.
...Welcome to Texas style thinking. | |
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| RLH,
A volcanic eruption can THROW OFF THE CLIMATE for months. Look at major eruptions in history. You will have SEVERE changes in weather. SO your analogy just goes to show that AN EVENT can has catastrophic consequences. Man is that event right now. Our actions are single handedly screwing up this planet. We are polluting, cutting down trees (remove carbon from the air), and causing species to go extinct in record numbers.
As for mars. Well no dude, things take time. It's like an oven, it doesn't reach full heat the second you turn it on. It takes quite a while to heat up. Mars has probably been warming nonstop for years. It just is a gradual process considering the surface area that has to get hot. No ozone layer means its not protected. It however doesn't mean that it just HAPPENS instantly. See above rationale. | |
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| Fine, here is an article from TIME magazine:
»www.time.com/time/magazine/artic···,00.html
quote: In Africa, drought continues for the sixth consecutive year, adding terribly to the toll of famine victims. During 1972 record rains in parts of the U.S., Pakistan and Japan caused some of the worst flooding in centuries. In Canada's wheat belt, a particularly chilly and rainy spring has delayed planting and may well bring a disappointingly small harvest. Rainy Britain, on the other hand, has suffered from uncharacteristic dry spells the past few springs. A series of unusually cold winters has gripped the American Far West, while New England and northern Europe have recently experienced the mildest winters within anyone's recollection.
Sound familiar? Yep, it is the same rhetoric used for the so called "global warming" argument and that is just the first paragraph.
Now look at the second paragraph:
quote: As they review the bizarre and unpredictable weather pattern of the past several years, a growing number of scientists are beginning to suspect that many seemingly contradictory meteorological fluctuations are actually part of a global climatic upheaval. However widely the weather varies from place to place and time to time, when meteorologists take an average of temperatures around the globe they find that the atmosphere has been growing gradually cooler for the past three decades. The trend shows no indication of reversing. Climatological Cassandras are becoming increasingly apprehensive, for the weather aberrations they are studying may be the harbinger of another ice age.
The title of the article was "Another Ice Age?" At the time, we still used leaded gas, we had pollution way beyond what we have now and Los Angeles was always clouded in smog.
The beginning of the third paragraph really is telling:
quote: Telltale signs are everywhere from the unexpected persistence and thickness of pack ice in the waters around Iceland to the southward migration of a warmth-loving creature like the armadillo from the Midwest.
Whoa, more ice in Iceland and we are looking at another Ice Age? Fire up the furnace.
This paragraph is quite amusing:
quote: Man, too, may be somewhat responsible for the cooling trend. The University of Wisconsin's Reid A. Bryson and other climatologists suggest that dust and other particles released into the atmosphere as a result of farming and fuel burning may be blocking more and more sunlight from reaching and heating the surface of the earth.
Which is it? Are we responsible for cooling or warming?
Face it, withing the span of 40 years we went from fearing another Ice Age to a planet warming up to fry us all.
There is not enough data to support either side right now and this planet is a lot more resilient than you care to think. | |
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| Re: A few million Euros (Francs) Later An article from 35 years ago to prove a point? Really? See, that's like taking the argument the world's flat from science in the 16th century and arguing against modern day science. Things change. People are wrong. Yes. However, we have MUCH BETTER TECHNOLOGY now than in 1974. It's called computers, which were rudimentary in those days. We have satellites monitoring the ice receding. We have time lines to show that patterns are changing. Is everything man made? Probably not. Are we a big contributing factor. I imagine so. Your argument is the biggest cock and bull story. 35 year old article to refute things.. Moon.... You've made my day with the laugh factor. | |
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| Re: A few million Euros (Francs) Later said by jc100 :An article from 35 years ago to prove a point? Really? See, that's like taking the argument the world's flat from science in the 16th century and arguing against modern day science. Things change. People are wrong. Yes. However, we have MUCH BETTER TECHNOLOGY now than in 1974. It's called computers, which were rudimentary in those days. We have satellites monitoring the ice receding. We have time lines to show that patterns are changing. Is everything man made? Probably not. Are we a big contributing factor. I imagine so. Your argument is the biggest cock and bull story. 35 year old article to refute things.. Moon.... You've made my day with the laugh factor. Oh really? What about the global warming alarmists that say our planet has been warming since the beginning of the 20th century? How can we have warming and cooling within a small time span?
Face it, we have heard all these arguments before and each time they predict another version of doom and gloom with more junk science. You can have all the computer models in the world but none work without some sort of prior data and the data is still all over the place.
Laugh it up. It is you who will pay the new carbon tax based on fear mongering. | |
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| Re: A few million Euros (Francs) Later Easily. How come the World was flat in one century and round in another. Science progresses, and the technology to assess situations does too. It has nothing to do with a conspiracy theory.
Species are going extinct at a faster rate than any time in history
We are polluting Rivers, Cutting down Forests (Which reduce carbon dioxides), and harming are air at record rates.
Smog didn't exist prior to us being in Mexico City and L.A. Man caused it.
Forests existed before we CHOPPED LARGE TRACTS of them down
If you for once think that what we do has no effect on this planet, you're naive. It's like Lead, DDT, and other substances we have created. They are harmful to man. Just as what we pump into the air is harmful. However, it's not just hurting us, but the planet. Nice try. Science progresses and a 35 year old article by you is a hysterical joke with a multitude of laugh factors. | |
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| Re: A few million Euros (Francs) Later said by jc100 :Easily. How come the World was flat in one century and round in another. Science progresses, and the technology to assess situations does too. It has nothing to do with a conspiracy theory. Species are going extinct at a faster rate than any time in history We are polluting Rivers, Cutting down Forests (Which reduce carbon dioxides), and harming are air at record rates. Smog didn't exist prior to us being in Mexico City and L.A. Man caused it. Forests existed before we CHOPPED LARGE TRACTS of them down If you for once think that what we do has no effect on this planet, you're naive. It's like Lead, DDT, and other substances we have created. They are harmful to man. Just as what we pump into the air is harmful. However, it's not just hurting us, but the planet. Nice try. Science progresses and a 35 year old article by you is a hysterical joke with a multitude of laugh factors. Wow, lots of conjecture and assumptions there.
Actually, the Greeks knew the world was round back when Oenopides did his calculations (around 450BC) which were later refined by Eratosthenes.
How do we know species are dying faster than at any time before? I would imagine that the meteor that hit off the Yucatan coast would have caused a lot of damage.
Weather has been recorded for a while but if all you are going to look at just the last 100 years, that is barely one letter in the book of this planet's history. Have humans caused issues. Definately but not to the point the alarmist are claiming. And why did Al Gore try to get Ted Koppel to "witch hunt" any scientist who did not agree with his global warming message?
The global warming science is not passing the sniff test and many are trying to find a way out without damaging their reputation.
Try again. | |
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| Re: A few million Euros (Francs) Later Science is a study of patterns. How do we know something is happening? We compare changes of Glaciers from Photos 100 years ago to now.
What Photos Show:
Glaciers have receded by 10s of miles. Antarctica and Ice filled regions are Melting Rapidly.
What Science Shows:
Amount of Carbons and Greenhouse Gases in the Atmosphere have increased substantially in the time we have measured. Cars didn't exist (nor did Smog in L.A. or Mexico City) before Man built them. Factories weren't pumping TONS OF Pollutants into the air before the industrial Revolution. Now we are. So you tell me Moon.
2+2 = 4
Cars = Cause Smog
Deforestation = Less Trees to Purify the air
Factories = Pollute the Air with Chemicals that make people sick. Hell look at Chernobyl in Russia. Mind moving there? Sure that radiation will be good on the body?
Polluting Rivers with industrial waste.
Man's activities have consequences. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see Cutting down an Animals Habitat leads its numbers to disappear. Polluting water ways Kills off species. Pumping Shit into the air via cars and factories causes smog and raises Ozone levels which can cause breathing problems. So If on a small scale, we can see that happening, then I'd venture to guess our actions have a wider consequence. You can cite whatever you want. A 35 year old article is not proof of anything. ONE PERSON IN THAT ARTICLE GOT IT WRONG. It wasn't as if the scientific community all said we were in for a New Ice Age. Plus, empirical data and computers weren't around to create models and analyze large sets of data.
Believe what you wish. It's like trying to convince a religious person his or her religion is just one of many. We can go at this all day and it's pointless. | |
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join:2000-08-21 Glen Burnie, MD | Such a myopic view. Thank god you aren't a man of science because you certainly lack any logic needed to form a coherent opinion. | |
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| Don't even take what I said out of context. I meant modern record that was verifiable. Now, we can use carbon dating and other such tests to check weather. However, in this case I was referring to the practice of written record. I don't know if I trust what the Roman's did in 450B.C as historical fact. People take the bible as Historical Fact and we see how many variations and takes there are on religion itself. Let's just say I'd prefer the modern, educated record keeping practices. See how in 450 B.C. sea monsters and the world was flat. While SOME OF THEIR SCIENCE has stood the test of time, there were far more errors than successes. The difference? We have technology to test our work, versus say, best guess practices.
Though for Pre Modern Times, Pythagorean and others did figure out some complex stuff. Once again, not all wrong, but a lot.
There lies the difference. Our science is based off computer models, satellite data, historical photographs, carbon dating / weather patterns. Their data was a best guestimate if you wish to call it that. | |
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| Re: A few million Euros (Francs) Later said by jc100 :Don't even take what I said out of context. I meant modern record that was verifiable. Now, we can use carbon dating and other such tests to check weather. However, in this case I was referring to the practice of written record. I don't know if I trust what the Roman's did in 450B.C as historical fact. People take the bible as Historical Fact and we see how many variations and takes there are on religion itself. Let's just say I'd prefer the modern, educated record keeping practices. See how in 450 B.C. sea monsters and the world was flat. While SOME OF THEIR SCIENCE has stood the test of time, there were far more errors than successes. The difference? We have technology to test our work, versus say, best guess practices.
Sorry, but taking weather patterns only for the last 100 years is by no means accurate since patterns take MUCH longer to manifest themselves. The Ice Age was millions of years ago yet we know this through geology because man was not around to record it. The Romans were known for their record keeping. However, even their period was too short to record much data plus it was only for their little area. said by jc100 :Though for Pre Modern Times, Pythagorean and others did figure out some complex stuff. Once again, not all wrong, but a lot. There lies the difference. Our science is based off computer models, satellite data, historical photographs, carbon dating / weather patterns. Their data was a best guestimate if you wish to call it that. Again, if the formulas behind the models are off, so is the data and our sat data is barely 50 years old. That is not enough data. Even the sunspot cycle takes 13 years. You want to limit your data to barely 100 years, be my guest but my logical people would laugh at you and dismiss ANYTHING you said about the subject. Try again. | |
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1 edit | Re: A few million Euros (Francs) Later A) We are NOT SIMPLY COMPARING WEATHER PATTERNS FROM 100 Years
- Looking at Written Data From 100 years that we can Verify - Using Science to dig further Back where records cannot be proven without doubt - Using Photographs / Satellite Imagery etc to Supplement.
Contrary to your Stance, Rocks, Trees, fossils all hold evidence of growth and change over the millenias. We can compare this to records to paint a picture.
B) Chopping down Animals Habitat means less places for them to live and less trees to take carbon dioxide out of the air. Basic Science. Trees take Carbon and turn it into Oxygen. less Trees, Less Carbon "Filters". More species extinct as less habtitat to live.
No trying again on my part. | |
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| Re: A few million Euros (Francs) Later said by jc100 :A) We are NOT SIMPLY COMPARING WEATHER PATTERNS FROM 100 Years - Looking at Written Data From 100 years that we can Verify - Using Science to dig further Back where records cannot be proven without doubt - Using Photographs / Satellite Imagery etc to Supplement. Contrary to your Stance, Rocks, Trees, fossils all hold evidence of growth and change over the millenias. We can compare this to records to paint a picture. B) Chopping down Animals Habitat means less places for them to live and less trees to take carbon dioxide out of the air. Basic Science. Trees take Carbon and turn it into Oxygen. less Trees, Less Carbon "Filters". More species extinct as less habtitat to live. No trying again on my part. First only the last 100 years of data is reliable then you bring in other stuff.
The key to winning a debate is to take one side and hold it, not flip flop like John Kerry.
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1 edit | Re: A few million Euros (Francs) Later Flip Flopping? You're the one trying to do that. I've picked a side and substantiated it FAR BETTER than a 35 year old article by ONE SOURCE.
Empirical data (Look up the word)..
100 years of weather Data is Reliable. That's about as far back as the weather service goes BY HUMAN RECORDS AND DOCUMENTS. Not including Photographs. Thats about 150-170 years.
From there you can use Carbon Data, Growth Patterns on Trees, Rock Formations, etc to tell RELIABLY HOW THINGS OCCURRED. IE... Where the Written Proof ends, Nature provides documentation.
Also, Photographs, Satellites, etc aid too in comparing pictorial evidence.
Basic Science bud. You get an "F". Trees = Animal Habitat. Trees = Turn Carbon Dioxide into Oxygen.
Fewer Trees (Deforestation) = Less "Air Filters for Pollution" and less animal habitat.
No conjecture. Simple, plain facts. Flip Flop? Nope. Reasonable? Far more than your ONE 35 year old article. | |
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| Re: A few million Euros (Francs) Later said by jc100 :Flip Flopping? You're the one trying to do that. I've picked a side and substantiated it FAR BETTER than a 35 year old article by ONE SOURCE. Empirical data (Look up the word).. 100 years of weather Data is Reliable. That's about as far back as the weather service goes BY HUMAN RECORDS AND DOCUMENTS. Not including Photographs. Thats about 150-170 years. From there you can use Carbon Data, Growth Patterns on Trees, Rock Formations, etc to tell RELIABLY HOW THINGS OCCURRED. IE... Where the Written Proof ends, Nature provides documentation. Also, Photographs, Satellites, etc aid too in comparing pictorial evidence. Basic Science bud. You get an "F". Trees = Animal Habitat. Trees = Turn Carbon Dioxide into Oxygen. Fewer Trees (Deforestation) = Less "Air Filters for Pollution" and less animal habitat. No conjecture. Simple, plain facts. Flip Flop? Nope. Reasonable? Far more than your ONE 35 year old article. 100 years of data is not enough in a system that has known fluctuations over thousands of years.
And if 100 years is enough, why bring up tree rings, rock formations and carbon data? That becomes "theoretical" data, not empirical. Why is it theoretical? Because while we might have a reasonable theory as to what happened, it is not always proven.
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| Re: A few million Euros (Francs) Later You just don't get it do you?
Its called building the big picture. You take all your data, compile it, to create a layout of the environmental changes that have taken place.
You might want to look up the word Theoretical. Its too big for you to use. Obviously, you don't know the meaning. When something is theory, it's not fact. Trees without a doubt show the climate changes that have occurred over millennium. Soil samples show the different layers that have formed and the climate at that time. Rock Formations and Geology show fossilization and what took place. None of that is theory.
Then again, I'm talking to the Kentucky's Creation Museums #1 visitor. The man who probably believes earth is 10,000 years old and we roamed it with dinosaurs.
Failing is something you do bud. Not me. Science looks at the big picture, not a narrow one tracked view based on a 35 year old article. Not everyone is right or uses a practical approach. Technology, however has improved. We can compare pictures over the last 170 years. We can compare weather data over the last 100. And to go further back, we use soil, rock, geological, and carbon dating. All of which gives evidence of whats happened.
Your evidence, an article. Failing. You give that word a new perspective and a whole new meaning. Obviously, you couldn't pass first grade science.
Trees WITHOUT A DOUBT REMOVE CARBON DIOXIDE. We are deforesting the planet. Animals live in Forests. We chop them down, species disappear. Less trees, less things to purify our air. More factories, cars, and pollution with less trees, = more sticks around.
This isn't rocket science. Then again, I'm trying to convince someone who couldn't get passed high school and believes wikipedia is a source the fundamentals of life. AH yes, this is a big challenge to say the least. | |
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| Re: A few million Euros (Francs) Later said by jc100 :You just don't get it do you? Its called building the big picture. You take all your data, compile it, to create a layout of the environmental changes that have taken place. Big picture with barely 100 years of data? Yeah, that makes sence. 
said by jc100 :You might want to look up the word Theoretical. Its too big for you to use. Obviously, you don't know the meaning. When something is theory, it's not fact. Trees without a doubt show the climate changes that have occurred over millennium. Soil samples show the different layers that have formed and the climate at that time. Rock Formations and Geology show fossilization and what took place. None of that is theory. Then again, I'm talking to the Kentucky's Creation Museums #1 visitor. The man who probably believes earth is 10,000 years old and we roamed it with dinosaurs. Looks like I am talking to Al Gore sheeple #1.
said by jc100 :Failing is something you do bud. Not me. Science looks at the big picture, not a narrow one tracked view based on a 35 year old article. Not everyone is right or uses a practical approach. Technology, however has improved. We can compare pictures over the last 170 years. We can compare weather data over the last 100. And to go further back, we use soil, rock, geological, and carbon dating. All of which gives evidence of whats happened. Your evidence, an article. Failing. You give that word a new perspective and a whole new meaning. Obviously, you couldn't pass first grade science. Trees WITHOUT A DOUBT REMOVE CARBON DIOXIDE. We are deforesting the planet. Animals live in Forests. We chop them down, species disappear. Less trees, less things to purify our air. More factories, cars, and pollution with less trees, = more sticks around. This isn't rocket science. Then again, I'm trying to convince someone who couldn't get passed high school and believes wikipedia is a source the fundamentals of life. AH yes, this is a big challenge to say the least. ORLY?
Check out this website.
»omniclimate.wordpress.com/
Specifically:
quote: During the 1970s the famous American astronomer Carl Sagan and other scientists began promoting the theory that greenhouse gasses such as carbon dioxide, or CO2, produced by human industries could lead to catastrophic global warming. Since the 1970s the theory of anthropogenic global warming (AGW) has gradually become accepted as fact by most of the academic establishment, and their acceptance of AGW has inspired a global movement to encourage governments to make pivotal changes to prevent the worsening of AGW.
The central piece of evidence that is cited in support of the AGW theory is the famous hockey stick graph which was presented by Al Gore in his 2006 film An Inconvenient Truth. The hockey stick graph shows an acute upward spike in global temperatures which began during the 1970s and continued through the winter of 2006/07. However, this warming trend was interrupted when the winter of 2007/8 delivered the deepest snow cover to the Northern Hemisphere since 1966 and the coldest temperatures since 2001. It now appears that the current Northern Hemisphere winter of 2008/09 will probably equal or surpass the winter of 2007/08 for both snow depth and cold temperatures.
The main flaw in the AGW theory is that its proponents focus on evidence from only the past one thousand years at most, while ignoring the evidence from the past million years evidence which is essential for a true understanding of climatology. The data from paleoclimatology provides us with an alternative and more credible explanation for the recent global temperature spike, based on the natural cycle of Ice Age maximums and interglacials.
And here is an other couple paragraphs you should read:
quote: About 325,000 years ago, at the peak of a warm interglacial, global temperature and CO2 levels were higher than they are today. Today we are again at the peak, and near to the end, of a warm interglacial, and the earth is now due to enter the next Ice Age. If we are lucky, we may have a few years to prepare for it. The Ice Age will return, as it always has, in its regular and natural cycle, with or without any influence from the effects of AGW.
The AGW theory is based on data that is drawn from a ridiculously narrow span of time and it demonstrates a wanton disregard for the big picture of long-term climate change. The data from paleoclimatology, including ice cores, sea sediments, geology, paleobotany and zoology, indicate that we are on the verge of entering another Ice Age, and the data also shows that severe and lasting climate change can occur within only a few years. While concern over the dubious threat of Anthropogenic Global Warming continues to distract the attention of people throughout the world, the very real threat of the approaching and inevitable Ice Age, which will render large parts of the Northern Hemisphere uninhabitable, is being foolishly ignored.
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| Re: A few million Euros (Francs) Later Big picture with barely 100 years of data? Yeah, that makes sence
You don't make "Sense". No one claimed 100 years of data. I said 100 years of weather data that is written down. THAT DOES NOT MEAN WE CANNOT USE SCIENCE TO ANALYZE DATA PRIOR TO SUCH RECORDINGS. Does stupid come with a tshirt? I'll buy you a few.
- Carbon Dating - Geological Surveys - Pictorial Comparisons - Environmental Surveys - Fossil Patterns / Life
All show o lets say 100s of millions of years. So Written Data is one thing. I know a man of your lack of intelligence probably is religious. You believe that fictional work called the bible right? Why, cause it's written down so it has to be right. Prove to me Jesus existed? Were you there? I want proof. O wait, you can't. Damn. Yet, your church have you believe he was real with "loads of evidence". Funny... You take their word but oddly enough, come science, it's all magical hokey pokey ay?
I give up. Your "BLOG" of "Blogs" has won me out. I mean some wackjobs writings just overpower me with evidence. All bow to the might conspiracy theory blogs. O and he claims 150 scientist agree. Wow... The church claims to have scholars on religion. Funny enough, for bright minds, I'm wondering why the world has like 1000s of different beliefs. Seems if these scholars were any damn good, theyd have convinced the world that their religion is right. O snap, that's right. This same church has you believing the world is 10,000 years old and we walked with Dinosaurs.
Non Conjecture = Trees Take Carbon Dioxide from the air and turn to Oxygen. That's FACT. That's Proven. 100 percent of scientists agree on it.
Fact #2 = Cutting down trees lessens the numbers of forests. IE causes species to disappear. If I bulldoze your house, you are homeless. If you cut down a forest, animals have less space to live. Not to mention See Fact 1 which is universally agreed upon. Trees are the world's air purifiers. You cut a tree in half, and it's rings show growth patterns and weather change. Trees filter out carbon dioxide.
O wow, the mighty Graph. Part of the Global Warming theory smart one is that SOME AREAS OF THE EARTH WILL ACTUALLY GET COOLER while others heat up. The Poles are melting and ocean temperatures rising. However, just like any other weather, changes are going to fluxuate. I guess you've never heard of a nuclear winter. Yea Hokus Pokus Ay? I guess a Volcano Erupting has no effect on Climate either. All conjecture. Changes have no cause and effect. Got any tin foil?
Um you're guy is a blogger. Ya, his credentials speak wonders. The Mighty Blogger. Once again. yes, the Earth has seen MANY CHANGES. NO FUCKING SHIT. The earth has also seen many species come extinct. Keep believing our actions have no effect on the planet.
Increased pollution doesn't increase cancer rates.
Drugs do no harm on people. They're just sugar pills.
Radiation is good for the Human Body. The Atomic Bomb did nothing to cause Birth Defects and Malformations.
Our actions are TOTALLY WITHOUT CONSEQUENCE.
No game set Match. Might try reserving that for when you're brain has five minutes to FIND A TEE TO PUT FROM. Right now, you're smacking air and tossing your clubs. | |
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| Re: A few million Euros (Francs) Later Repeating the same BS with nothing to back it up.
You have nothing.
But, I have more:
»www.earthtimes.org/articles/show···95.shtml
quote: Despite being published in such journals such as Science, Nature and Geophysical Review Letters, these scientists have gotten little media attention. "Not all of these researchers would describe themselves as global warming skeptics," said Avery, "but the evidence in their studies is there for all to see." The names were compiled by Avery and climate physicist S. Fred Singer, the co-authors of the new book Unstoppable Global Warming: Every 1,500 Years, mainly from the peer-reviewed studies cited in their book. The researchers' specialties include tree rings, sea levels, stalagmites, lichens, pollen, plankton, insects, public health, Chinese history and astrophysics. "We have had a Greenhouse Theory with no evidence to support it-except a moderate warming turned into a scare by computer models whose results have never been verified with real-world events," said co-author Singer. "On the other hand, we have compelling evidence of a real-world climate cycle averaging 1470 years (plus or minus 500) running through the last million years of history. The climate cycle has above all been moderate, and the trees, bears, birds, and humans have quietly adapted."
The same evidence you say proves global warming is the same set used to call into question your conclusions.
I have yet to see you post one credible piece of evidence. Just one.
The fact is this has become a highly political issue and most people, like you, fail to use any real science to prove your point.
Go drink so more of the global warming Kool Aid. | |
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| Re: A few million Euros (Francs) Later Well let's see. You don't offer but a 35 year old article, A Blogger, and Conjecture.
I at least give you known facts of life. Go verify them yourself.
Here's something you might understand in stupid people lingo. Take A Box. Go stick a Cigarette in it. Put the lid on. What happens? Box fills with smoke. Now add a fan to that box, what happens? Smoke still says in the box, but blows around. Now, add some napkins in there and blow in another cigarette (Filter). What happens? Less smoke enters the box?
See stupid people experiment tailored towards you? Lesson here. Earth = Box. We're a Closed system. What happens here stays here. Our Pollution does not disperse. Our Ozone layer which protects us also acts as a shield encasing the shit we pump into this planet. Trees are natures way of sorting that out. We chop them down, there goes the filters.
People like you have us believe we can dump toxic waste into a river.. It does Nothing.
We can chop down a Forest, Consequence free.
We can use tons of radiation, as hell, it doesnt hurt anyone.
Here's the difference. All this is known to be inaccurate.
Hiroshima led to MASSIVE AMOUNTS of Birth Defects in People. Chemicals we create have IMMEDIATE and long lasting effects on ourselves. Common sense says they effect other things too.
Ah yes... Logic to stupidity. Checkmate. | |
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| Re: A few million Euros (Francs) Later said by jc100 :Well let's see. You don't offer but a 35 year old article, A Blogger, and Conjecture. I at least give you known facts of life. Go verify them yourself. An article from a respected magazine. A blogger with links to verify his claims. And Hudson Institute Senior Fellow Dennis Avery with climate physicist S. Fred Singer.
What do you have? NOTHING.
You have no clue what you are talking about except what Al Gore told you and the rest of the sheeple.
Post proof or your opinion means nothing. That's the scientific method. | |
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I do hold several degrees in science and would like a link to these substantial parts that are growing(freezing). It is possible in all this that I have missed some information. | |
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| said by Creef412 :The punishment doesn't fit the crime. It absolutely does. If someone is convicted 3 times of robbing a store with a gun, it would be a good idea to deny that person access to a gun. | |
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| exactly, the MAFIAA hasn't paid up yet. the EU can't find/make up a reason to sue them (just look at the intel and microsoft cases, gotta fund their (EU) activities somehow. once the MAFIAA ponies up the dough, things will start changing quickly.
hopefully it won't come to this.
oh yeah, i'd LOVE to see how the Pirate Party and The Pirate Bay are reacting to this 3 strikes crap. | |
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join:2002-04-10 | Re: A few million Euros (Francs) Later Not in sweden just yet. In due time I imagine. Just takes enough money and will power to buy your legislation and get it passed. | |
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@bellsouth.net | Hmm As soon as they try to make this catch on in the U.S. someone will take them to court. You can't just say the internet is a luxury anymore. Especially with people ordering food, meds., and kids doing homework off the net now. | |
|   meskinct Mad Scientist at Work Premium join:2002-01-07 Danbury, CT clubs: 1 edit | What about VOIP? So when they ban me they will take my VOIP with it thereby taking my 911 service away. Great plan!!! -- Rich. My Website | |
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@hp.net | VoIP/911 What happens if they kill a users internet connection and the user has VoIP? Now their 911 is dead. Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen once a "child" is hurt because of it.
hmmm | |
|   TKJunkMail Enjoy the sun Premium join:2002-03-03 Avalon, NJ | Germany may be forced to do 3 strikes if the EU mandates
Germany as part of the EU is no longer a soverign nation. While they may not do a 3 strikes law now, eventually they may have to if the EU passes an EU-wide law mandating it. | |
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  Mirazh
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1 edit | They allow reading books in Prison... Good for Germany!
For the rest of them, I don't get it,
They will never be satisfied until they have all controlled all of our human senses. All for the purpose too pay honor to those that created something before you or I were born.
Everyday, I wake up, and bam!, one more little piece of natural human connection or interaction, is being bought, sold and controlled. Faster than ever it seems too.
All the music I write, I have never charged for, I believe in voluntary contribution, for me that is enough, the passion of being able to create my music is all the real payment I need (that and my REAL job.)
Once upon a time copyrights were limited to 14 or so years. Now we have generations paying the price for those long dead.
I really despise copyright/IP laws All they do over time is enslave everyone's senses. And limit our natural ability to share our culture.
F That! | |
|   kamm
join:2001-02-14 Brooklyn, NY | It will *NEVER* fly in Europe... ...that's for sure: it goes straight against all EU laws and chartas as well as constitutions of individual countries.
Suck it, RIAA - and you will be TRIED! | |
|   Hpower Roflmao
join:2000-06-08 Glendale, CA 1 edit | More laws please, its so awesomenot Once again, screw RIAA. They got pwned by Germany  -- The Internet is about to go down....it is actually. | |
|  chronoss2009
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| Use Me As An EXMAPLE A) i have tons a probs with bell as you all know. There solution after i paid for my phone they cut off the ability of the telephone to work ( that means its still active right? ) so while i can get net on the line i cant get a phone to work , now i paid twice before that issue came to ahead new years and of course with no phone, i decide i want to enjoy new years.
I go out and two assholes attacked me , i fended them off and yes one of them made his way to the hospital later on ( so don't get all stupid thinking i didnt fight back i got scares on my left wrist and hand form his teeth )
Anyhow so i left a trail a blood to the house, the door mat in the house had to be thrown out, my door was a mess the walls in my room and a keyboard is tossed the next day due to all the blood on it as i emailed teksavvy for a ambulance ( THANK YOU ...YOU know who )
NOW you might say why not go get another phone provider like teksavvy or something else. Well the truth is i tried and bell effectively hijacked the line for over 45 days until i started publically saying that if bell wants to give me a free dryloop ill get a pay as you go cell form someone other then bell....) then and only then did they cut it off and YES after i blasted them in a mall phone about what had happened.
DOES someone have to die because a these laws. They will, and you know who we can blame. Cudos to the govts that stand up to these people and there greed.
OH and if you think there aren't people out there doing this , the next step for me was to get spikes on my cane so i can use it in winter( also a handy weapon for being attacked ) and predators see people like me as a potential target as there is a chance i have pain meds on me for there junky habits.
Well i was walking near the welfare office two days ago and guess what. HERE is the worlds dumbest criminal. Bragging how he goes around looking for victims to get drunk and then he rolls them.
I walked right up to the guy and inside the building is a security guard. AND i shoved a cane at him telling him what happened. the guard goes off to get the cops and here i am waving this around at these assholes.
Like OMG Stupid criminal of the year i says to the guy , you deserve prison for life with ONE meal a day cause your brain dont need three.
Anyways this is an extreme case of what can happen when an ISP wrongly turns off a service. YA and why did htey turn it off ? cause another service that i had been over billed and over charged for i had refused to pay for and showed here all the proof. They saw that and still sent me a bill with the same amount , so i can gather that vupont who picked up these pvrs has stolen merchandise? Anyways This is what can happen. Wait till someone dies as a result and you will see change, ya isn't that about the stop light at the intersection after someone gets run over about right????? | |
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| next Germany's Secretary of Justice Brigitte Zypries saying that "preventing someone from accessing the Internet seems like a completely unreasonable punishment to me," adding that "it would be highly problematic due to both constitutional and political aspects." RIAA will have to start their "Germany has copyright violations of mass destruction" campaign to mobilize international opposition to them. -- goodbye dad | |
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1 edit | Re: next said by fatness :Germany's Secretary of Justice Brigitte Zypries saying that "preventing someone from accessing the Internet seems like a completely unreasonable punishment to me," adding that "it would be highly problematic due to both constitutional and political aspects." RIAA will have to start their "Germany has copyright violations of mass destruction" campaign to mobilize international opposition to them. The sad truth, is that if this copyright/ip nonsense continues and Germany does not change its stance and we don't put an end too this RIAA nightmare, your observation will probably be correct. | |
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