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Another aspect, however, is that likely most who signed up for domains cared more about prices than the politics of SOPA.
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On the other hand, GoDaddy switching CEOs and reversing its position probably didn't hurt. A lot of people I talked to felt that leaving after they had switched sides would send the wrong message. | |
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| Re: marketing unfortunately is far too effective said by Camelot One:I think its that people are willing to bitch about just about anything, but are just too lazy to do anything more.
On the other hand, GoDaddy switching CEOs and reversing its position probably didn't hurt. A lot of people I talked to felt that leaving after they had switched sides would send the wrong message.
I have to agree with the last paragraph especially. Companies make mistakes and back the wrong initiatives every now and again. Its easy to look in hindsight and say that something was a mistake to back. Its harder to admit a mistake and reverse a decision.
That and this "dump" day really was a grassroots campaign that really didn't affect many people. If this were something more substantive, then you would have seen more people jumping on the bandwagon. Instead, it was a lame movement to begin with, and as a result had lame results.
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But did GoDaddy REALLY drop support of SOPA. The reality won't be known until FEC forms are filed months from now showing who GoDaddy is giving money to in Congress. I'll be willing to bet that GoDaddy is still sending political contributions to SOPA backing congresscritters.
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| Re: marketing unfortunately is far too effective said by Romney2012:said by Camelot One:On the other hand, GoDaddy switching CEOs and reversing its position probably didn't hurt. A lot of people I talked to felt that leaving after they had switched sides would send the wrong message.
But did GoDaddy REALLY drop support of SOPA. The reality won't be known until FEC forms are filed months from now showing who GoDaddy is giving money to in Congress. I'll be willing to bet that GoDaddy is still sending political contributions to SOPA backing congresscritters. Lets be honest here. Piracy is illegal. To take a public stance against online piracy isn't like saying that you are against homosexuality or gay marriage. Its not that big of a black eye for GoDaddy to be for SOPA. The only people who it affects are people who feel that pirating movies and music should be legal.
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| | | | | | Re: marketing unfortunately is far too effective Yes, pirating is illegal. However we already have laws on the books to deal with it and don't need this ridiculous legislation, which will not even hinder piracy at all. I think SOPA will do more harm than good. | |
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| Re: marketing unfortunately is far too effective said by sandman_1:Yes, pirating is illegal. However we already have laws on the books to deal with it and don't need this ridiculous legislation, which will not even hinder piracy at all. I think SOPA will do more harm than good.
The laws on the books are flawed thats for sure. There needs to be change, but I also don't know if the SOPA is that change that we need. I haven't read through SOPA yet to make that judgement.
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| | | | | | | | Re: marketing unfortunately is far too effective Then maybe you should take your foot out of your mouth. | |
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vimeo.com/31100268
The bills not flawed because of it's intent and purpose, it's flawed because how it goes about trying to implement the anti-piracy measures. Many of the measures will be ineffective (domain name blacklists) or impossible to implement (DNSSEC basically was designed to stop this very type of thing). | |
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| Re: marketing unfortunately is far too effective said by cdru:said by Nightfall:I haven't read through SOPA yet to make that judgement. Cliff note version: vimeo.com/31100268The bills not flawed because of it's intent and purpose, it's flawed because how it goes about trying to implement the anti-piracy measures. Many of the measures will be ineffective (domain name blacklists) or impossible to implement (DNSSEC basically was designed to stop this very type of thing). Yup, I already read into it a bit. Thanks for the info. 
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| If sopa was about piracy then it wouldn't be blacklisting entire domains due to content contained on a single address at that domain. It also wouldn't treat non-american sites differently than american sites. It's a gift to the multi-billion dollar content industry at the cost of the majority.
And godaddy has no reason to say anything and everything now against sopa since they already got their parts written into the law and the other version of it.
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| | | | | | | | said by Nightfall:The laws on the books are flawed, that's for sure. There needs to be change, but I also don't know if the SOPA is that change that we need. I haven't read through SOPA yet to make that judgement. The main problem with SOPA is that it leaves too much room for abuse and bypasses due process. The fact that AG will get the authority to seize domains on mere accusations of piracy is very disturbing. IMO, it should be up to courts to decide whether to block access to certain sites, not AG.
As someone mentioned in another forum here, if SOPA were to pass, things would be very peachy at first. The Pirate Bay and other sites alike would be "blocked", and all those in the US who simply plug in their ISP-provided modems/equipment without any tweaks will no longer be able to get to them.
Here's an example of the way SOPA can be abused though. One of the movie critics hates a recently-released movie and posts a negative review on their web site. The studio will obviously take a financial hit due to the above, and to prevent it, they will go cry in front of AG, who will in turn "block" the site under the guise of "piracy". No proof necessary that the reviewer's web site actually offered the movie for download, provided links to infringing copies or otherwise assisted others in obtaining it illegally. In fact, if you need to bring a competitor's web site down under SOPA, you can simply accuse them of pirating your material. On the flip side, be ready for others to do the same to you.
The funny thing is that under SOPA AG will not be shutting down the infringing sites (it's impossible to do given that most of them are hosted outside the of US), but will merely re-direct DNS records for them to another server with anti-piracy message. Those who can find alternative DNS servers and know how to re-configure their OS or routers to use them can safely continue to visit those sites. When it comes to determined pirates, SOPA will be a minor inconvenience.
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| said by Nightfall:said by sandman_1:Yes, pirating is illegal. However we already have laws on the books to deal with it and don't need this ridiculous legislation, which will not even hinder piracy at all. I think SOPA will do more harm than good.
The laws on the books are flawed thats for sure. There needs to be change, but I also don't know if the SOPA is that change that we need. I haven't read through SOPA yet to make that judgement. please read it. it's like reading a direct copy of 1984 | |
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said by Nightfall:I haven't read through SOPA yet to make that judgement.
really now?
SOPA is up near the top of the list with the DMCA for stupid legislation written by people that don't understand the alleged problems they are being paid by corporate interests to "solve".
no one beyond owners of Big Content have any reason to support SOPA. and it is in the best interest of anyone that supports a free and open internet to condemn SOPA with their full voice.
effectively popularizing a boycott of a company like GoDaddy and having them publicly change their stance on a major issue is anything but "lame" as others have called this story.
now go read the legislation and stop calling people names to make yourself feel better. | |
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| Re: marketing unfortunately is far too effective said by LucasLee:said by Nightfall: If you are going to troll, do it with a little more style. The only thing you succeeded in what making an ass out of yourself.
...says the guy practically campaigning for SOPA while simultaneously admitting he has no real clue regarding its contents. really now? SOPA is up near the top of the list with the DMCA for stupid legislation written by people that don't understand the alleged problems they are being paid by corporate interests to "solve". no one beyond owners of Big Content have any reason to support SOPA. and it is in the best interest of anyone that supports a free and open internet to condemn SOPA with their full voice. effectively popularizing a boycott of a company like GoDaddy and having them publicly change their stance on a major issue is anything but "lame" as others have called this story. now go read the legislation and stop calling people names to make yourself feel better. You have a reading comprehension problem. Point taken that I didn't read too much into the SOPA until after I posted, but he made the assumption that I thought that Google was for piracy, which is totally false. I will take my hits, but lets try to be honest in our analysis and not assume anything.
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Most people agree that piracy is bad and should be stopped.
Where we disagree is in using legislation to fundamentally alter the internet under the guise of stopping piracy. | |
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| Re: marketing unfortunately is far too effective said by fifty nine:said by Nightfall:Lets be honest here. Piracy is illegal. To take a public stance against online piracy isn't like saying that you are against homosexuality or gay marriage. Its not that big of a black eye for GoDaddy to be for SOPA. The only people who it affects are people who feel that pirating movies and music should be legal.
Most people agree that piracy is bad and should be stopped. Where we disagree is in using legislation to fundamentally alter the internet under the guise of stopping piracy. I agree 100%. I also disagree with the outlandish penalties for sharing 10 songs.
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Piracy as it is popularly called in relation to music sharing is the counter to the music being locked down and what the person paying for said music can do with it. As the industry gets better methods to distribute their music they also employ more ways to restrict it's use in traditional ways and erect paywalls to bring in additional revenue for the same content that traditionally did not have these extra costs. For the most part you can't even "own" digital music, you are just allowed to pay for a copy that only you can enjoy.
In the world of digital distribution, when I want to pay for content I want the person that creates that content, is the face, the sound, the voice to receive the most profit from the sales of that content. This is not the case in the current RIAA system and is far from it.
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It was never intended for people to buy records, tapes, CDs etc and then copy them except for a backup copy for your own use. When you buy those things you buy physical media and a license for your own personal use.
DRM is just now enforcing what was previously done via the honor system. As it turned out the honor system never really worked because most people view piracy as a victimless crime. | |
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But you also have another issue, in the efforts of the MAFIAA to prevent piracy as well as make more money they actually make life harder on the paying customer. While the paying customer is bypassing previews, ads and waiting through FBI warnings even before reaching the disc menu. the Pirate has taken a dump, gotten popcorn from the microwave and is already 10 minutes into the film.
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If that ad is supposed to entice me to register a domain with them, I'm glad I'm old enough to think with the head on my shoulders instead of the other one!! That pic, or what my imagination can do with it, doesn't do a single thing for me, except make me think of what kind of low life, non thinking people work at GoDaddy!!
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It's not just GoDaddy's SOPA support, but their constantly pestering me with adverts, as well. It's gotten old.
FWIW: I don't believe a single one of my on-line geek colleagues uses GoDaddy. | |
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| | | Re: Not Leaving GoDaddy In A Hurry, But... said by jseymour:I've three domains. Two are with GoDaddy. The third was going to be. The third's staying put, for now, while I research alternatives. If I find one I like, all three will go to it.
It's not just GoDaddy's SOPA support, but their constantly pestering me with adverts, as well. It's gotten old.
FWIW: I don't believe a single one of my on-line geek colleagues uses GoDaddy.
What adverts are you getting from godaddy? I think I might get one piece of snail mail a year from them, and a couple emails when my domains are going to expire. | |
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| Re: Not Leaving GoDaddy In A Hurry, But... said by openbox9:I'm curious too. I've got seven domains with GoDaddy and I receive one e-mail per year.
Well, I get bombarded with email from them a full 4 months before a domain expires WARNING me that a domain is in imminent danger of expiring. With many domains, this is a real nuisance because the spam keeps coming until you renew. Then, unless you are careful, they will prod you into renewing for 2 years, not for 1. Their website reminds me of an old Saigon whore house!
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SPAM is unsolicited email and for me and that means primarily email from any company that I don't have any existing business relationship with. For companies that I do have a business relationship with I would only consider an email SPAM if the sole purpose of the email is the advertising of products and services that are unrelated to the existing business relationship.
I definitely would not consider order/shipping confirmations, billing notices or (as in this case) renewal reminders SPAM (even if the sender chooses to advertise additional products or services along with it). Given the possible problems arising from a missed domain renewal, early and frequent renewal reminders are a good thing in my opinion.
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kudos:3 | Um, yea.. it's not "spam"... not by ANY definition, but perhaps your own.
Further, it's pretty clear that you're not very understanding of domain name rules.. the reason you get so many warnings is so that THEY don't have to deal with your phone call asking "why was my name taken away from me" when in fact you forgot to pay for it and it was released.
The reality is that after day 1 of not paying your renewal, it IS subject to being deleted and made available for a domain sniper to take it away from you. They're making every effort to remind you that your domain is due.
Further, the 2 year registration is there as a suggestion to have you protect your name. Domains from GD are about $10 a month.. if you want to be that cheap and register it year by year, that's certainly your option. Many people DO register for multiple years. Their system assumes that people have multiple year registrations, such as I do, and I have MANY of them. You want to know just how easily it is to forget that 5 years has already passed and I've forgotten a domain has expired? I'm very happy I get "bombarded" with reminders that my domain is due to expire, and be null routed and possibly lost.
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Sorry, forgot about this thread...
Well, lessee... looking at it... I've got four (4) emails just this month, between "ICANN required domain review" notification, two "RENEW NOW CUZ THE PRICE IS GOING UP" things on a domain that expires the end of next month, and a "My GoDaddy Summary."
Ok, so the ICANN thing is obviously a requirement on their part. But two of the other three, I really do not need.
It's not that big a deal, but I could do w/o some of the noise. I get a lot of legitimate email. The less of it that's unnecessary noise, the happier I am . | |
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kudos:4 | said by jseymour:It's not just GoDaddy's SOPA support, but their constantly pestering me with adverts, as well. It's gotten old.
Somethings got to pay for that 4 million dollar end of year party for the employees!
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As some of the comments on the techdirt page spell out..
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kudos:3 | Re: Numbers Are Wrong said by UnnDunn:I transferred my domains to gandi.net, but I did NOT change the nameservers. Some of my nameservers still say "domaincontrol.net" or whatever GoDaddy sets them to by default.
That's because nameservers don't change upon a registrar change. It would be in your best interest to change your name servers now before GoDaddy deletes your entry and your site goes off line. | |
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However, want to boycott the real culprit? ...then make every day a "Dump Hollywood Day".
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Also on that note I'd have to say ever since godaddy dropped the hipster bald guy and went with ladies with the porn star look the company had officially gone into crap. Not just for their advertising deals but the way they do and how they do business. | |
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As far as Congress in general well maybe Iran and the 2012 elections will keep them busy for now and they will leave the "tubes" alone. Everytime they try to do something to the "internets" it just backfires anyway and becomes non effective.
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kudos:3 | Re: transfers take 7 days said by naterator :Plain and simple transfers can take up to 7 days. I moved 4 domains last week that are still processing, another 20 yesterday.i dont expect the whis to change till next week.. that is where this article FAILS.
Not sure why you're having that issue. I work with and move domains all the time. I can have the domain changed with in hours. | |
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Most people were pissed off enough that they didn't want to wait and acted immediately after confirming GoDaddy's support of SOPA. | |
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FYI, the data from that site is inaccurate because dailychanges does not show change in registrar but change default dns. GoDaddy owns domaincontrol.com and internettraffic.com, a domain parking service by GoDaddy, changing from domaincontrol.com to internettraffic.com counts as a transfer out and vise versa applies.
So in theory they could just move a bunch of domains and bolster their own stats to make it look like a failure. | |
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I am sure this hitting the front pages of most deal website had to work out as a huge offset to cover the losses they were getting.
Truth is the above actions coupled with having to shell out a bunch of cash to drop them en masse probably stopped a huge defection. I am more curious to see the trickle effect of people like myself, who will complete transfers at the time of expiration on my domains.
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last time I checked they were anywhere from 10-30% higher.. and the business builder tools are somewhat less user friendly.. maybe some things have changed.. but I doubt the cost of doing business in California is getting any cheaper vs where other companies might be doing business, such as on the East Coast of the USA. some comapnies go with godaddy to have good local bandwidth with low ping times, not sure why that's important outside of a gaming server.. (0-10ms vs 50ms).
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