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Mount Airy, MD |  Haha
Though I am surprised Verizon hasn't dumped all its remaining copper-based subscriber base.
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: Haha said by fifty nine:No kidding. Looks like the stench of Jon "MF" Corzine is still there. Speaking of that guy, I think MF Global should say it its defense that because they hired Jon Corzine, they really were not interested in making money. 
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| Re: Haha Not entirely false but not entirely true
As I said before these clowns at Sachs chimed in, right now Mass is so profitable for them because they don't pay taxes on where their lines are, so it's very profitable even in western mass.
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| | Verizon would do it.... "it's highly unlikely that Verizon wants to exit a fiber to the home business they just got done investing $24 billion into"
doesn't this seem like a classic Verizon strategy though?
separate out underperforming business and pile on all the debt and then send it off to some company that's incapable of running it and let it declare bankruptcy.
Verizon then wins in the end with a thriving wireless company that can sell to the same customers and they make 24 billion in debt disappear. | |
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Palm Desert, CA | said by sparc:"it's highly unlikely that Verizon wants to exit a fiber to the home business they just got done investing $24 billion into"
doesn't this seem like a classic Verizon strategy though?
separate out underperforming business and pile on all the debt and then send it off to some company that's incapable of running it and let it declare bankruptcy.
Verizon then wins in the end with a thriving wireless company that can sell to the same customers and they make 24 billion in debt disappear.
You guys are as crazy as Goldman Sachs, go all Wireless and dump your Landlines, that would include FiOS. FTTH, what have you guys been smokin, Verizon is the only Telco that is really set up for the Future. I have been telling your guys, Fiber is the way of the Future not Wireless. There is a place for Wireless with all the new Mobile Devices, but when it comes to the Home, Fiber will be the answer. Streaming Video, Music, and Data to our Homes, we will need big Pipes and Fiber is the biggest! So the strategy for Verizon is a balanced Infrastructure with Fiber and Wireless. | |
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| Re: Verizon would do it.... said by alchav:said by sparc:"it's highly unlikely that Verizon wants to exit a fiber to the home business they just got done investing $24 billion into"
doesn't this seem like a classic Verizon strategy though?
separate out underperforming business and pile on all the debt and then send it off to some company that's incapable of running it and let it declare bankruptcy.
Verizon then wins in the end with a thriving wireless company that can sell to the same customers and they make 24 billion in debt disappear.
You guys are as crazy as Goldman Sachs, go all Wireless and dump your Landlines, that would include FiOS. FTTH, what have you guys been smokin, Verizon is the only Telco that is really set up for the Future. I have been telling your guys, Fiber is the way of the Future not Wireless. There is a place for Wireless with all the new Mobile Devices, but when it comes to the Home, Fiber will be the answer. Streaming Video, Music, and Data to our Homes, we will need big Pipes and Fiber is the biggest! So the strategy for Verizon is a balanced Infrastructure with Fiber and Wireless. GS probably has money in Verizon, and is looking at
a) Making money "assiting" Verzion in disposing of their land lines
b) figure they can make more money charging exhorbitant data rates on the wireless side of things.
Being Canadian I have no idea how big Verizon's land line business is, but I don't think there is enough spectrum to handle even a large percentage of them to migrate from hard lines to wireless.
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|  FronkmanAn Apple a day keeps the doctor awayPremium
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Saint Louis, MO | said by sparc:"it's highly unlikely that Verizon wants to exit a fiber to the home business they just got done investing $24 billion into"
doesn't this seem like a classic Verizon strategy though?
separate out underperforming business and pile on all the debt and then send it off to some company that's incapable of running it and let it declare bankruptcy.
Verizon then wins in the end with a thriving wireless company that can sell to the same customers and they make 24 billion in debt disappear.
this sounds like a job for....Mittens Romney!!
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| Smells like the plan all along Verizon just gets someone else to say it for them and they end up replacing infrastructure with replaceable racks of equipment and let someone else do the limited runs of cabling as to not affect their earnings. They've also painted the picture that wireless has to be metered too so that's another perk for them.
Job creator based investments want money now, not years from now so fiber and copper and anything else bolted down to long swaths of the earth are not good for their mentalities. They want what you see to be temporary till it is replaced with something different. No investment in quality, just quantity and replace it when it breaks and give the illusion of "upgrades" to the customer.
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| | Goldman Sachs?!?! Does anybody trust them? Does anybody really want to hear them shysters have to say?
Unbelievable. They're the one of the ones who created this economic meltdown and now want to dictate to company how to do the same?!?! 
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| | | Re: Goldman Sachs?!?! Unfortunately, I think the upper management of Verizon think more like the the Goldman Sachs crew than they think like you and me. I am sure they are very interested in what the shysters have to say. | |
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| Re: Goldman Sachs?!?! said by CXM_Splicer:Unfortunately, I think the Board of Directors at Verizon think more like the the Goldman Sachs crew than they think like you and me.
Fixed. Remember that the Board were the one's who fired the previous CEO who created the FiOS project to begin with (due to the short-term loss of profit incurred in such an endeavor). | |
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| more typical Wall Street hype So now, Goldman Sachs wants Verizon to sell the wireline business in order to dump unions, employee pensions and retiree healthcare costs.
Which will force the PBGC (Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation) to pay retiree's pension, Medicare to pay healthcare costs and then the 1% will scream about Federal entitlements to employees.
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| | ROFL! In other news, Wall Street want the Fed to eff-ough long enough for more corps to become untouchable, but be around when they need another handout.
Think of the bees!
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| | verizon set michigan back about 10 years when it comes to broadband by refusing to invest and upgrade their landlines for even basic dsl. Now frontier is scrambling to pick up the pieces | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Goldman Sachs really shouldn't be speaking said by David:We all know how well sprint's shares go for these days. Last check I made it had a good day hitting $3.25 a share. That's a long way from $30-35 verizon gets now per share. You're a little high on the PPS for Sprint  Anyway, Sprint's current situation has little to do with spinning off segments of its business, rather it has to do with mismanagement of the business. Also, don't mistake share price for value. | |
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kudos:6 | Re: Goldman Sachs really shouldn't be speaking Truely.
The value for Sprint is much lower than the share price. | |
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Levittown, PA | How do you seperate Fios and LEC? Most of the time they use the same CO. Unless you upgrade everyone still on copper but in a Fios Area, like it or not. Plus Fiber installs handled by Union workers. If you keep Fios you keep Union. That doesn't mean they don't sell the whole thing. Fios may make it actually worth while for some company to try to run it. I don't know, but somethings probably going to happen. One thing for sure the company will never Continue to just be Business as Usual. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: How do you seperate Fios and LEC? You don't separate FiOS from LEC. You spin off the wireless portion and merge in Vodafone to minimize capital and ownership issues. Legacy wireline business remains behind to continue as is. Possibly sell of the less valuable assets from the wireline division. There might be a few other Verizon parts worth spinning off, but the wireless/wireline pieces are the biggest. | |
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| Re: How do you seperate Fios and LEC? said by openbox9:You don't separate FiOS from LEC. You spin off the wireless portion and merge in Vodafone to minimize capital and ownership issues. Legacy wireline business remains behind to continue as is. Possibly sell of the less valuable assets from the wireline division. Yes, this is probably what they would do. They did, however, go to great lengths to keep FIOS and other Verizon plant separate... many COs have the FIOS LGX and equipment on its own floor. Where that couldn't be done, the FIOS is in its own room. FIOS cable in the field is also not mixed with other fiber services, it is under its own sheath (the exceptions to this I am aware of I can count on one hand). I have little doubt that they intended to make it separable and they probably could sell it off (or keep it) alone.
It is interesting to note though that the quote mentions keeping wireless AND Enterprise. Enterprise is, without a doubt, the 'profitable' part of wireline. It has always financed the POTS end of the business and without it POTS will collapse. It simply cannot survive as a business on its own. It is also highly intermingled with 'non-enterprise' services and can't be sold off separately so I think that part is just a pipe dream of the Wall St. scumbags... just trying to separate profits from losses and cut the losses loose. Hmmm, I wonder if I can shift my Credit Card debt, mortgage, and other bills to an LLC then let it go bankrupt while I keep my salary, bank accounts, and property... hmmm (gears turning). | |
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kudos:2 | Re: How do you seperate Fios and LEC? said by CXM_Splicer:Hmmm, I wonder if I can shift my Credit Card debt, mortgage, and other bills to an LLC then let it go bankrupt while I keep my salary, bank accounts, and property... hmmm (gears turning). Off topic, but you can get your creditors to accept transferring your debt (along with the assets) to your LLC, then yes, you conceivably can. However, your creditors are going to require your LLC to front capital and/or have sufficient collateral. I'm sure you were more interested in writing off your debt, but that's not as easy as some people believe....even for large corporations. | |
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| Re: How do you seperate Fios and LEC? said by cxm_fttp_spl :fios is over lashed to existing copper plant.. they did this to get by on paying seperate taxes.. you can no longer seperate fios from copper...
While it is true that FIOS is overlashed that doesn't mean they are inseparable. It would be more difficult to replace the copper under the FIOS, it is certainly do-able. The more likely scenario is that the copper will be killed off in areas with FIOS penetration. This is actually being done now on a trouble-by-trouble basis. When all the customers in a given area are thrown to FIOS the underlying dead copper is meaningless (except for scrap value). In areas with no FIOS penetration, there is no overlashing situation to worry about.
...but verizon has stopped building fios as of right now. they met thier requirements for households past and is done. if you dont have it now you are not going to get it ever... there is new technolgy now that can deliever same speed as fiber wirelessly from the pole to your house. and from there wirelessly to your tv. look for it coming very soon!!
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kudos:5 | VZ is working in that direction slowly. Notice that they are no longer pushing regulated POTS to FiOS customers. And any bundle upgrades are actively switching folks to DV.
Once they whittle down the copper lines in an area to manageable numbers, they split FiOS from landlines, call it data service not unlike cable and lease CO space, then fire the union workers because it's not regulated POTS.
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| | Once Lowell MAdam became CEO you knew this was coming Verizon promoted to CEO and Chairman the guy that was CEO of the wireless division. MAdam despise the land line division. Wall Street only care about short term profits, but are always blind to the big picture. With Fiber to the home Streaming content would become mainstream, but those crooks only care about the short term.
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| | what about this What if Comcast buys up the FIOS business!!! It's not a cable company right and it would help them get FTTH under their belt in order to then expand their current network!!! This would be awesome!!! | |
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Brooklyn, NY | Re: what about this no it wont who wants comcast's caps!! | |
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| | | Re: Verizon No way, and don't think that for one moment. When upstate NY was on the sale block a few years ago, I read reports from all of those know it all analysts about how sure they were that there were parties lined up to buy the land lines. It never happened. Telecommunications is a unique business and a solid communication infrastructure is essential for national security. The government had better realize this soon. These rumors of mergers are scare tactics by the company during these ongoing contract negotiations. Verizon knows that their options for dealing with the landlines and the unions are very limited, so they have to use these tactics. Read the article in 247wallst.com. It spells out the myth of a merger completely. And who would buy a company with the debt that Verizon would give it, and all the legacy costs to go with it, and strong representation by CWA. Never ever say we all might just as well kiss our retirement money good bye. Never ever concede. You worked for that money, you are owed it. Erase those words from your mind because it ain't gonna happen. | |
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| | I agree with alchav Sooner or later, every home is going to have to have fiber to the prem for the demands of the future. Wireless is not going to be able to supply all of that. Right now, verizon is saying that it no longer wants to expand FIOS to new markets, but that can be just a plan to get the FCC to approve their moves with cable, to quell concerns that their new relationship will not hamper competition. My prediction is the government is going to help pay for the fiber expansion because it is vital for the US to keep up with the rest of the industrialized world. | |
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| I guess this means Caller ID on Screen will stay un-fixed! Since Verizon is expanding further away from its legacy telephone works, I suspect they will ignore this basic telephone feature amidst their new found business in a global market.
The Caller ID (CID) on Screen problem has been an ongoing issue for at least two years, and it seems they have also let go of the 'legacy' personnel who know how to fix it! | |
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| Re: I guess this means Caller ID on Screen will stay un-fixed! Fortunately, I have a CID box at one end of the house that voice announces the telephone number and a personal recorded name. I may have to look for a similar box that displays the name/num in bigger text.
The VZ STBs I have lose the CID functionality at the drop of a hat, and (unfortunately) I have the double reset sequence down pat to revive the feature.
Funny, VZ does not provide an RJ11 jact on their STBs for this feature, yet my old Dish DVRs have them and always worked. I guess VZ forgot about the KISS principle!
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| | | Re: VZ That is exactly why we cannot allow Verizon to demoralize us. I retired last year after 37 years of service. For 37 years I've been told that I will get a pension and my health care will be taken care of. At 61 years old and at this stage in my life, it is sickening to feel like the rug is being pulled out from under us. Because of good labor contracts, I, like every other employee have enjoyed a great life style. WE BUILT THAT COMPANY! WE BUILT THE WIRELESS NETWORK! THEY ARE WHO THEY ARE BECAUSE OF US! How can any one plan a life, have a family, plan for the future, if you don't know if you're going to have a job one year to the next. All the while, the fat cats are lining their pockets and living the good life. That's the reason this nation is becoming more psycotic by the day.
Hang in there, and don't give up the fight. Verizon is one company, not two. It's massively wealthy BECASE OF OUR WORK! America has to see that our fight is every workers fight. | |
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