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Google Considers Bringing Google Fiber to UK
by Karl Bode 02:09PM Friday Jul 18 2014
A report in the Telegraph claims that Google may be interested in someday expanding Google Fiber into the UK. Google has held talks with a British company by the name of CityFibre, though those talks broke down after the company began worrying a partnership would damage their relationships with UK incumbents. In other words, just bringing up the idea of Google Fiber in the UK worried the status quo:
quote:
The discussions broke down amid concerns from CityFibre that an existing partnership with BSkyB would be threatened. BSkyB and TalkTalk are funding a pilot fibre-optic network rollout in to 20,000 homes and businesses in York.
CityFibre feared the satellite broadcaster would see the web giant as a future rival in the pay-TV market and back out, sources said. Google is understood to still be looking to build internet infrastructure in the UK, however.
It's not clear from the report which partners Google has held conversations with since. As in the States, Google hopes to light a public relations fire under the posteriors of ISPs that have grown all-too-comfortable with a lack of meaningful competition. As we've seen with what's really just a limited deployment to Kansas City so far, the simple spectre of real competition really drives a conversation about the uncompetitive nature of most broadband markets.

Update: Google sent me this statement downplaying the negotiations:
quote:
"We have informal conversations with other telecom companies all the time. But we've never had any serious planning discussions about bringing Google Fiber to Britain."

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buzz_4_20

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Wait just a minute...

Finish with this county first before you move on...
existenz

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Re: Wait just a minute...

They likely don't plan on doing most of US, would be surprised if they expand more than one more market in US. What they more likely want to do is influence ISPs by being in the biz and influence cities/countries to cut red tape to make it easier for all ISPs to build/expand fiber rollout.
ITGeeks

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Re: Wait just a minute...

And that's the thing. Google has NO plans in finishing anything in the US. They never finish any of their hobbies anyway. How many years did it take Google Search to come out of Beta? And Gmail? Any thing that people do use, they kill off of make it so its a horrible product- GTalk into Hangouts?? Why???? Google+??? Not that great. GFiber outside of 3 cities? Not hardly. They're all about signing these deals but have no plans in expanding or they'd be building out light wild fire.

And why does the red tape need to be cut? It was fine before and works in all cities. It's Google who did NOT want to play by those rules.

ArrayList
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Re: Wait just a minute...

Trollllll

karpodiem
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Re: Wait just a minute...

actually, everything he said is true. I like Gmail/Maps, but I wouldn't buy hardware from Google. No customer service/quality. That's why I buy Apple hardware and tri-boot OS X/Windows/Linux.

Back to the topic at hand, yes the ISPs agree with you - they don't see Google expanding either. That's why you've seen fiber to the press release (FTTPR) from the big guys; no meaningful deployment. They will take wireless to the max (5G or 6G), keep caps insanely low, and wait until there is some meaningful competition from Google before doing anything. They have zero incentive to spend any additional money to do otherwise. Customers have largely no choice, they are a captured audience.
existenz

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Re: Wait just a minute...

said by karpodiem:

No customer service/quality.

Google does have a customer support line for Google Fiber and it's pretty good, so is the online chat. The reps actually have problem solving skills and don't read a script. They seem to hire people who know how to do deductive reasoning, which is rare. The left hand knows what the right hand is doing, like when handing the ticket off to field people. They don't ask your phone number multiple times like TWC does or ask you to take a 'customer satisfaction survey' afterwards - with TWC it's entirely about rating the customer rep.

karpodiem
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Re: Wait just a minute...

Good to hear. I know Google has had an infatuation with hardware and then dumps it (Motorola), but there is something to be said for owning the whole vertical supply chain. Apple has made a pretty good business out of it.
existenz

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Re: Wait just a minute...

Yeah, given the thorough attention to setting up an effective Google Fiber support system (better than nearly all out there), you'd think GF is more than just a 'hobby'.

karpodiem
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Re: Wait just a minute...

I think everyone here on DSLR (and the entire country/world) is certainly hoping this is more than one of just Google's hobbies
ITGeeks

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And that is only ONE paid product. Google Apps for Businesses is a paid product too- No paid support. The only reason they have it for GF is due to being required to do so. Other than that- if GF could get away with it- it would be by email.

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said by ITGeeks:

And that's the thing. Google has NO plans in finishing anything in the US. They never finish any of their hobbies anyway. How many years did it take Google Search to come out of Beta? And Gmail? Any thing that people do use, they kill off of make it so its a horrible product- GTalk into Hangouts?? Why???? Google+??? Not that great. GFiber outside of 3 cities? Not hardly. They're all about signing these deals but have no plans in expanding or they'd be building out light wild fire.

And why does the red tape need to be cut? It was fine before and works in all cities. It's Google who did NOT want to play by those rules.

I think he copy and pastes this on every Google Fiber article.
ITGeeks

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Re: Wait just a minute...

Prove where they have expanded and have an actual network out of the KC Metro area and you can not count iProvo since they didn't do anything there but steal the network.

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That wont help unless they get out of more than the 3 cities they are in. If they had at least one market per state or even half the states I could see your argument but they are going on empty threats to cause change which wont happen till they actually do something.
existenz

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Re: Wait just a minute...

They have already influenced Gbit providers by setting a $70 baseline on pricing. It was about $300 beforehand. It set expectations with users and now ISPs are bumping speeds, some w/out bumping the price - can't prove due to Google setting a baseline, but seems they probably did.

As long Google *thinks* they can influence ISPs to provide more for less and encourage govt entities to cut red tape, they'll probably stay in the ISP game, even if limited. Would be good to see Google 'open source' their GFiber architecture and allow any ISP use it if they find a use for it (or portion of it).

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Re: Wait just a minute...

said by existenz:

They have already influenced Gbit providers by setting a $70 baseline on pricing. It was about $300 beforehand. It set expectations with users and now ISPs are bumping speeds, some w/out bumping the price - can't prove due to Google setting a baseline, but seems they probably did.

As long Google *thinks* they can influence ISPs to provide more for less and encourage govt entities to cut red tape, they'll probably stay in the ISP game, even if limited. Would be good to see Google 'open source' their GFiber architecture and allow any ISP use it if they find a use for it (or portion of it).

The problem is that influence rarely expands beyond the select markets they're already in. I live a couple hundred miles north of their Kansas City rollout, and we've seen NO improvements here - in fact, if anything, it's worse. We went from uncapped to capped with grandfathering for existing customers to everyone being capped on my cable ISP. My only other option (and I live in a relatively nice suburb) is 1.5mbit DSL that isn't even stable. I check every six months to see if there are any speed improvements here from them and there never are. The only way my ISP options will budge is if Google comes and plants a flag here...not hundreds of miles away.
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ITGeeks

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Re: Wait just a minute...

And plants that flag- actually would have to be deploying a network just not a signed contract or "coming soon to XXX"
ITGeeks

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Other providers? Those are Muni providers and only in a handful of deployments. AT&T is doing it because, well they can. And they can keep GF off their poles as well. And they don't think anything and their not into the ISP game. They're in the hobby of it. Nothing is expanding and the actual Press knows this. Bloggers need to realize it as well. And any "ISP" requiring the Cities and tax payers to take on their legal expenses if they're sued, is just crazy- and the cities that agree to that clause should NOT be allowed to handle their own money.

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Re: Wait just a minute...

Charlotte,NC

Google Fiber is planning to expand, and it's more than just PR. Here is a link from my local governments website regarding Google Fiber.

»charmeck.org/city/charlotte/news···ber.aspx

You have AT&T Uverse (planning a fiber network here), RST Fiber getting ready to light up, TWC also controls this market and has metro ethernet(fiber) everywhere, and now Google Fiber.

They may be handpicking areas to deploy in, whether it be to limit build costs and/or piggyback on already laid fiber, but the fact is they are bringing Fiber to the residential customer, something that was not being done at 1gbps speeds for a reasonable price.
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said by buzz_4_20:

Finish with this county first before you move on...

Here-here!

No seriously... here please.
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Yeah,... WTH... it'd be much better if Google wired NYC first... put all the incumbents out of a job. Verizon, Time Warner and Cablevision rake in billions from the millions of services they provide day in day out in the densest and highest uptake rates in the country.
existenz

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Re: Wait just a minute...

When looking at list of next possible candidates for GFiber, it seems they are either avoiding hard winter areas or strong union states. Maybe more the latter?

karpodiem
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Re: Wait just a minute...

It's the unions they refuse to deal with.

wishful

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@tmc8080 . better for who? you or google? google gets better ROI on smaller markets than a saturated market like
NYC with endless beurocarcy red tape,unions,street dig ups and all. for Kansas City where google is available it has been an economic spur to have them.
ITGeeks

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UK Open Network?

So if they expand into the UK, does that mean that the UK government will require them to open their network as they did to BT?? If its good for BT it's good for Google Fiber.

ArrayList
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Re: UK Open Network?

Doubtful.
ITGeeks

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Re: UK Open Network?

In the UK the gov't is in control not the other way around. Google could end up building that network and leasing it- which is why they're probably not going to do it in the end. Could you see BT going from their own network to GFs due to not having to maintain their own network? BT would be smart to do that and they would push for the network to be open.

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Re: UK Open Network?

There are private fiber networks in the UK. You don't know what you are talking about.
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Google Fiber in the UK?

This makes no sense if I understand UK unbundling correctly. The unbundling was supposed to create incentives for competition. I thought the UK was seeing increased competition in ISP services in many localities. Gigabit may be nice, but I thought one of the main points for Google Fiber was to go into areas with no meaningful competition.
existenz

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Re: Google Fiber in the UK?

said by davidhoffman:

but I thought one of the main points for Google Fiber was to go into areas with no meaningful competition.

They may have partly selected KC market first _because_ KC region has most major ISP players. All of the majors except VZ.
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Re: Google Fiber in the UK?

I was referring to the UK. I thought they had more wired competition, on average, than we do. That is why I thought GF going into the UK seemed odd.
ITGeeks

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What major players do they have? TWC, AT&T maybe Comcast? Never seen it listed as a Cox market- Mediacom isn't until other areas. Charter isn't there.
existenz

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Re: Google Fiber in the UK?

Was careful to say KC 'region'. KC metro has TWC, Comcast, ATT, Centurylink, Windstream, Surewest, some smaller players/muni and not too far out of metro are Charter, Cox and WOW (Western MO and Eastern KS).