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Terms of Service still unknownWill be interesting to see the terms of service - suspect it will be comparable to TimeWarner SMB class service in KC (and not an Enterprise class service with specific QoS and SLAs). I'm trying to find someone who got the invite. TWC charges about $200 for 75/5 in KC, although I think they bumped it to 150 recently. This could be more of an economic boost for GFiber cities if other Gbit ISPs don't have comparable monthly rate/terms. This is more likely to attract startups/SMBs to GFiber cities than residential Gbit.
There was a loophole beforehand that Google allowed for very small biz/startups. The service must be in a residential household/apt/condo and the service had to be ordered from the resident who owned the household, not the biz. If commercial/non-residential space of any kind, it could not be ordered. There was one instance where a biz tried to order in commercial space at the base of a condo hirise that already had Gfiber. Google didn't allow that, but they do allow anything in residential space with resident owner signing up.. | |
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2014-Nov-11 12:33 am
Re: Terms of Service still unknownActually TWC does offer QOS and SLAs on coaxial services. business connections actually have QOS over any residential service on coax and is well known for those businesses who have TWC business class nation wide. SLAs can be built in without a problem. But you can bet GF is not going to have those either. | |
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Re: Terms of Service still unknownResidential is not same as Enterprise class MPLS circuit and SMB class uses residential lines.
Will be curious to see GFiber terms compared to others sharing residential lines. Google's wdm-pon/gpon hybrid architecture gives more capacity than other Gbit ISPs sharing a 2.5G gpon..
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A few more details about service here. Is only available so far in a few fiberhoods (not downtown/midtown) but should be available in all fiberhoods in months. Still nothing about terms, but does show cost for static IPs. quote: In addition to $100-a-month gigabit service without a construction fee, Google Fiber will offer firms static IP addresses. Google Fiber offers one static IP address for $20 a month or five addresses for $30 a month.
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2014-Nov-11 1:57 pm
Re: Terms of Service still unknownExistenz, so how does Google do IP allocation on residential. DHCP with 1 IP as many others? Or do they even give you an option to get static IPv4 addresses? If it's DCHP, how many addressed do you get and how often have you seen them change?
Seems the basic router you talked about in your review here at DSLR would probably be 1 WAN DHCP address as you said GF needs VLAN capabilities to do TV and internet with your own router. Guess that means TV traffic is on it's own VLAN over the same link. | |
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Re: Terms of Service still unknownGF apparently offers static IP for residential (up to 5) but I'm not signed up for it. However I have never seen my IP change on my router. » support.google.com/fiber ··· 04?hl=en | |
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Re: Terms of Service still unknownCool. Better documentation than most providers.
I tried looking up info on blocked ports on that site but didn't see a list. I figure the Business Class version would have all ports open. What does your residential service have blocked, if any?
Interesting that they are using VLANs for traffic separation. That is definitely more Metro Ethernet like cable and DSL. Probably why the Pings and latency are lower.
The one thing that probably slows down my University connection a wee bit is the Intrusion prevention devices like the Tipping point ones they have installed. It is still fast but I bet would be faster if every packet sent wasn't scanned. It would be interesting to see a site to site transfer to see if both sides would up/download at near 1 Gbps speed. | |
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Re: Terms of Service still unknownI don't think GF blocks any ports. I haven't found any. I have done tests between sites (about 2 miles from each other) and it was still close to a Gbit both directions. I can get over 900 to Dallas. I also get 930+ at prime time even though there are 150 units in my building and a lot of hirise apts/condos in my fiberhood - and Google allows up to 8 DVR recordings using about 15M each. A GF engineer told me they have designed the network to supply at least 800M per sub under extreme heavy neighborhood loads yet I haven't seen below 900 from single computer. I suspect if GF offers a QoS for Biz, they'll say 700 or 800 minimum, up to a Gbit. More here... » Google Fiber improves routing and performance | |
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Re: Terms of Service still unknownsaid by existenz:I don't think GF blocks any ports. I haven't found any. I have done tests between sites (about 2 miles from each other) and it was still close to a Gbit both directions. I can get over 900 to Dallas. I also get 930+ at prime time even though there are 150 units in my building and a lot of hirise apts/condos in my fiberhood - and Google allows up to 8 DVR recordings using about 15M each.
A GF engineer told me they have designed the network to supply at least 800M per sub under extreme heavy neighborhood loads yet I haven't seen below 900 from single computer. I suspect if GF offers a QoS for Biz, they'll say 700 or 800 minimum, up to a Gbit.
More here... »Google Fiber improves routing and performance Yeah, I think Google has designed their network around the network engineering, not the bean counters telling the engineers this is how much money you have, make it work (most of the time). I just tested my desktop with a building full of staff and students right now and I got over 700 Mbps up and down. That is with only a 1 Gbps building up-link on an Ethernet connection. All Layer 3 switches a 10 Gig core beyond our uplink. If I had Google Fiber at home, it would be like I was on a Local LAN. Bet I could even watch my HD Home run. Then maybe networking would bump our building up to 10 Gig to the core like other buildings with more traffic. Thanks for all the info existenz. Maybe we'll get Google fiber. I'm not losing any sleep over it. Heck, I just want the Lolly Pop update for my Google Nexus phone that Google keeps delaying. It will probably fix bugs but look what fun it will be finding new ones. | |
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Re: Terms of Service still unknownAnd you also get very low latency. It's 1-2ms within KC Gfiber network and maybe only a couple more ms outside GFiber network within KC.
I suspect GF's small biz class service will have a much bigger economic twist for Google Fiber cities than residential service if Gbit ISPs in other cities don't match GF's SMB service. KC ecodev community is pretty stoked by this and expecting to attract more outside startups/small biz. But if other ISPs follow suit in other cities, it won't be as unique for KC. | |
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Re: Terms of Service still unknownJust today Google expanded biz class service to more KC fiberhoods, including North end of downtown, which has been trying to establish another startup village... » www.bizjournals.com/kans ··· _gallery | |
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More here from KC Star... quote: Companies also will be able to use their own Internet routers.
"We're not limiting sign-up based on type or size," a company spokeswoman said, "but we will work with each business during site survey to make sure Google Fiber meets their needs."
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$70 gigabitfor businesses?
Win-win.
Sure beats comcast business. For $70, all you get is better tech support a measly 15/3 internet connection.
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Re: $70 gigabitIt's $100/month for biz class. | |
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2014-Nov-10 8:19 pm
Re: $70 gigabitRelatively speaking on business level connections at 1Gb that extra $30 is negligible. | |
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That's still an incredibly good deal. Centurylink wants $155 for a 40mbps business connection. | |
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Re: $70 gigabitComcast's business internet service doesn't even let you use your owned modem.
You have to pay $13 to rent the modem as well. | |
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Re: $70 gigabityes, it does. I used a SB 6120 for 3 years. | |
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2014-Nov-11 10:30 am
Re: $70 gigabityes, this is common knowledge for anyone who gets that service. | |
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2014-Nov-10 10:04 pm
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said by bigballer:for businesses?
Win-win..... Except google has no regard for the actual costs involved, they're simply dumping at a loss for the sake of disruption that only they can rationalize- aside from whoring all you're usage. You may not like Comcast, but at the end of the day, they are committed to the business of supplying broadband. google? We'll see. | |
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2014-Nov-10 10:24 pm
Re: $70 gigabitsaid by JasonOD :said by bigballer:for businesses?
Win-win..... Except google has no regard for the actual costs involved, they're simply dumping at a loss for the sake of disruption Citation needed. Google engineers stated in a very old article (before Google Fiber) that they actually make money the more data they push. Given their business model it makes sense. Highly doubt they are selling at a loss. | |
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2014-Nov-11 12:33 am
Re: $70 gigabitStill not a 1gig connection as it proves again.
Also there is no way they're able to make a profit on this service. They're not making anything on installs, and TV costs are very low compared to TV content contracts. Google is eating the costs or they would not be able to do it. As far as the bandwidth sure they can make money on that- they just take the data back to their own data center and drop it off to the Internet as soon as they get a chance without a problem L3 and Cogent are probably paying for most of that transit, not Google. | |
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Re: $70 gigabitI get around 930M from single computer, but it's not about a single computer. When stressing with two or more devices, it is in 940-960M range. Factoring tcpip/app overhead, that is essentially a full Gbit at physical layer. Same case with Gbit router/switch ports and local devices - 960 is the peak at app/tcpip layer but really is a full Gbit at physical layer. » Concurrent Google Fiber TestsAs far as profit, telecom analysts claim Google needs 1/3 of homes passed to profit. It appears they are getting closer to 50%. | |
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said by JasonOD :You may not like Comcast, but at the end of the day, they are committed to the business of supplying broadband. ha. yeah right, Comcast is first and foremost a cable company. | |
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nycif NYC can dole out freebies to TWC to offer business class ultra high speed internet.. then they can shake that money tree for Google as well...
to say nothing of the 2 billion dollars which just got voted in for technology in the schools statewide. google could use that as a wedge to serve underserved parts of the state as adjacent build-outs. | |
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2014-Nov-10 7:24 pm
Re: nycsaid by tmc8080:then they can shake that money tree for Google as well... And that's why Google will never serve NY, or at least NYC. | |
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What stops a giant business?From using Google Fiber? They would have to have some backup, since it wouldn't have an SLA, but still... They could add more bandwidth or downgrade their existing Metro-E service if it was only for backup... They could end up moving a crapload of data through GF, although I guess the network is made for it. | |
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2014-Nov-11 12:37 am
Re: What stops a giant business?Big business will NEVER use a connection such as Google. Completely crazy for any business to do so. Google makes money by selling your information, and they will surely do so for businesses. They even sell the information out of Google Apps including those who use Google Apps for Education use. You think they get those services free? NOT with Google, they get to pay for either their data being sold or pay for the actual accounts.
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2014-Nov-11 4:40 pm
Re: What stops a giant business?Tons of businesses use Google Apps and other Google services. | |
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2014-Nov-10 11:03 pm
Business, monkey business.Google like CATV has one class of service no matter what they call it; residential. No redundancy or power backup. No professional enterprise business wants to share their network with dancing hamsters. Wall Street won't be moving to Google fiber anytime soon.
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