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Buying existing networksIt's interesting that Google now buys an existing footprint. Google also announced today they are leasing fiber from another part of KC metro (the city of North KC, MO) that is essentially a new area not yet announced. Not much of an expansion but is one through leasing existing fiber in a town that already built Gbit fiber. Will Google buy/lease other fiber networks around country? » www.bizjournals.com/kans ··· ith.html | |
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2013-Apr-17 5:21 pm
Re: Buying existing networksThis is the problem. Google has soo much PR that they can pressure the local gov to let them build out esp by offering such great prices.
But if me or you wanted to start up a company in most cases we can't put the service anywhere we want because the big people like att and comcast etc. have lobbied various regulations and laws to make it impossible to. Google has enough money to fight any of this.
So basically no room for competition because the little guy can never get a start, though every big business started from nothing at some point. Sad really. | |
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2013-Apr-17 6:12 pm
Re: Buying existing networksPerhaps... but this situation is a little different. Provo got stuck with all that fiber in the ground when their deals went bad and the companies putting it in went belly up. Provo has tried to make up for the money they lost/are loosing but Veracity is about worthless as well. I'm sure Provo had a fire sale on the fiber in the ground. | |
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Re: Buying existing networksThis is pure proof that Munis FAIL. And Google is only doing this because of their brand and more data mining. What's going to happen when they sell these networks off or just shut them down? And GOOG already has a track record for that. | |
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Re: Buying existing networkssaid by TBBroadband:What's going to happen when they sell these networks off or just shut them down? And GOOG already has a track record for that.
1. When exactly was the last fiber optic network that Google shut down? 2. When was the last time existing broadband providers pushed through legislation to deter fiber deployment? 3. So which one has the has worse track record? | |
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said by TBBroadband:This is pure proof that Munis FAIL.
So? Otelco filed for bankruptcy last month, Nortel, MCI... pure proof telcom businesses FAIL. Maybe we should get rid of BOTH models. | |
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your kiddin right? forget the data mining, heck every provider is doing it anyways.. I cant think of one that's not trying to..
in any case everyone's daily life's are online anyways once you put something online its their forever. Google wont sell or shut these down, Munis don't fail look at Chattanooga and many others!!! heck even phone companies fail or are to a point where its not usable, looking at you (Frontier).. you can try to pull that card sir but Google has enough money to do what they wish.. if they want to compete against the cable/phone companies they can do so with ease | |
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How is being bought out a fail? Many businesses would cream in their pants if they got a Google buyout... | |
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2013-Apr-23 4:10 pm
Re: Buying existing networkssaid by jjeffeory:How is being bought out a fail? Many businesses would cream in their pants if they got a Google buyout...
If Comcast or Qwest offered to buy out the Provo fiber for $1 on the condition that it assume none of the debt, can you imagine the howls from Karl Bode and others? Yet google draws a pass . . . | |
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If you or me went into this situation with pockets as deep as GOOGs, you or me would be in the same position to sign the contract that GOOG did and it would be just fine. You or me doesn't have that kind of pocket change, the incumbent provider also doesn't want to toss that kind of cash around that market. GOOG steps in and commits CASH money to the project and BAM! there it goes... | |
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|  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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It's one of the very few existing FTTH buildouts to buy up. | |
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2013-Apr-18 9:47 am
Re: Buying existing networkssaid by KrK:It's one of the very few existing FTTH buildouts to buy up.
How about Verizon's Fios? | |
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The US is ranked 3rd in total subscribers with FTTH. I would say there are more to buy out than you are aware of. | |
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2013-Apr-18 7:16 pm
Re: Buying existing networksThe other way to look at that is that FTTH numbers worldwide are completely uninspiring. | |
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Total subscribers doesn't give a good picture (if you are comparing a large country like the US to... maybe Italy...), how about percentages? all I could find is a self reported (from all companies combined) 19,000,000 homes are serviceable by fiber. Census in 2010 says there is 114,800,000 homes in the US, which means about 16% of the US households, according to the industry, has fiber available. 2008 figures in Italy say they have 23,848,000 households, and 2,500,000 households with fiber available according to industry data from 2010, so based on that data 10% of households have fiber available.
My point, is that ranking buildouts on total numbers is a bad idea, because it does not tell you anything. It's cheating the numbers, making the US sound like it's more developed.
I'm unable to find any neat list with percentages or even number of subscribers to ftth in various countries on the google machine, but i'm guessing percentage-wise Japan, the Koreas, Hong Kong, and a few others probably kick our butts. | |
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2013-Apr-21 12:34 pm
Re: Buying existing networksI would hazard to guess that a few Baltic and so-called third world nations are on that list. | |
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Good news everyone!Google fiber must be profitable if they are still deploying it. Hope to see this trend continue. Also heres the google april fools joke. Pretty funny. » fiber.google.com/about/poles/ | |
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2013-Apr-17 4:26 pm
Re: Good news everyone!They are hoping it will be profitable. It is still far too early in the game to actually be profitable. They don't even have many subscribers yet in their single active deployment. | |
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Re: Good news everyone!and when its not due to Content prices- those Shareholders will be having a fit and GOOG will be getting a new CEO. | |
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2013-Apr-18 1:11 am
Re: Good news everyone!Probably not. He's got too many voting shares. I think this is a blip in Google's future path. Whether it continues to expand these deployments or not, the costs aren't insurmountable for the company. They've dropped a lot of money on much sillier products before. I don't know if Google will deploy much further, or how long it will stay with this new playground, but I don't think Larry Page's job will be legitimately threatened. | |
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Doubtful, Google's Current CEO is bringing other revenue sources in.. be it Google glass and other services/devices, sure Google might be spending quiet a bit with this but I feel like their trying to make a point to the government not to anyone else.., the only thing is will the government listen? so far all we heard from the FCC was they would love to see every state at least have 1gbps connection.. problem with that is the cable co's/telephone company's don't want to do it... and don't tell me Time warner is willing because they sure as heck aren't they can say that all they want but they aren't even capable of producing speeds that constant.. | |
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2013-Apr-17 4:18 pm
Google is SeriousI think this sets precedent that any of the FTTH deployments that may struggle could be welcomed into the arms of Google.
Great news all around. | |
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If municipalities are looking to take it in the shorts, then sure. I wouldn't start a failing FTTH deployment, hoping Google bails you out if I were you. | |
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only if they fail.. Google is buying this because its prob cheap enough.. | |
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2013-Apr-17 4:21 pm
But nobody wants gigabit!Surely you jest! | |
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Re: But nobody wants gigabit!I want a gigabit!, really to tell you the truth id love to get 50/50.. but no my service provider suddenlink cant provide that because oh yeah their the cable company and barely have docsis 3.0 rolled out.. | |
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2013-Apr-17 4:22 pm
I'm so excited right now | |
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2013-Apr-18 1:17 am
Re: I'm so excited right nowsaid by coma9:Now, my hopes would be that they expand a little north to the Lehi area May want to start looking for a new home further south then. said by »googlefiberblog.blogspot ··· pes.html :As a part of the acquisition, we would commit to upgrade the network to gigabit technology and finish network construction so that every home along the existing iProvo network would have the opportunity to connect to Google Fiber. | |
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2013-Apr-17 4:22 pm
1gbps on utopiaIt's worth noting that some utopia providers already offer 1gbps in Utah, although it comes with a 300 dollar a month price tag. It will be interesting to see if this comes down. | |
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Re: 1gbps on utopiasaid by delusion ftl :It's worth noting that some utopia providers already offer 1gbps in Utah, although it comes with a 300 dollar a month price tag. It will be interesting to see if this comes down. I could see Google picking Utopia as well. Utopia has always struggled financially. Combining iProvo and Utopia together into a single system makes sense. | |
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I'm currently paying $45/month for 100Mb/s symmetrical fiber thru XMission but would upgrade to gigabit in a heartbeat if it was offered at $70/month!  | |
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Re: 1gbps on utopiaIt would be cool and I'm sure there will be providers that might take advantage of it at some point. But after having 50mbps for a year now, you really realize that there are two sides of every connection and very few of the other side support anything above 10mbps or so.
Unless you plan on sharing a lot of large files with other G fiber customers or will be taking in a few hundred tenants, I'm not real sure what you'd do with it. | |
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WellSuppose its time for all the naysayers who have continued to claim google has no interest to deploy out further and further to stop now. | |
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2013-Apr-18 1:21 am
Re: WellWhy? How far is Google going to deploy? | |
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2013-Apr-17 4:31 pm
At&t, telcos = well, that backfiredThey spent all that manpower and money to get municipal fiber to fail, just to have google come in and grab it? Launch 1Gb. LoL! | |
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ThisSeems like a very good idea from a business standpoint and for the customer too. Google buying up all the failed fiber deployments and turning them into working networks providing Gbit connections for everyone in the networks service area seems like a win/win. | |
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2013-Apr-17 4:39 pm
Will goolge get RSN's right?That area is in market for
Altitude Sports & Entertainment HD
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2013-Apr-17 5:01 pm
Re: Will goolge get RSN's right?RSN - what's that ?
Just kidding - those that want sports should have to pay extra for it. | |
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2013-Apr-17 4:59 pm
Re: Here's hoping for Portland ORnot with comcarp contorting CSNNW with it's high price. | |
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Bay Area deploymentIs the Bay Area going to be the last place this ends up?? You'd think since Google is based here they would deploy the service here. | |
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Google, please come to Tuscaloosa!We have a major research university, over 35,000 students and growing, very dense housing around campus and apartment/loft housing going in downtown, a smaller private college, and a community college. Plus, the amount and quality of food you can find here is outstanding, so your installers and engineers definitely won't go hungry. | |
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2013-Apr-17 4:48 pm
So...i Guess the shills.. errhm, "think tanks" here in BBR only ever considered Google selling their infrastructure, but not buying them instead. | |
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Getting closer to MTHow about a little further north.. like Bozeman or Billings? | |
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2013-Apr-18 10:59 pm
Re: Getting closer to MTsaid by SimbaSeven:How about a little further north.. like Bozeman or Billings?
Not likely, mostly because there isn't a whole lot in Billings. The Crowne Plaza is quite nice though, and has a great view of the city from the upper floors. | |
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2013-Apr-17 4:55 pm
Call me when they reach the numbers of Buckeye cableWiki says: On March 30, 2011, Google announced that Kansas City, Kansas will be the first community where the new network would be deployed Love to see the energy, but really, really, I bet $1 there are more press releases on Google Fiber than customers on Google Fiber. Call me when they have a real P&L investment in the business, have to follow the same regulatory and municipality requirements, etc to make this list. COMCAST 22,002,000 DIRECTV 19,981,000 DISH NETWORK CORPORATION 14,042,000 TIME WARNER CABLE INC 12,344,000 COX COMMUNICATIONS INC 4,595,000 VERIZON COMMUNICATIONS INC 4,592,000 AT&T 4,344,000 CHARTER COMMUNICATIONS INC 4,197,000 CABLEVISION SYSTEMS CORPORATION 3,247,000 BRIGHT HOUSE NETWORKS LLC 2,038,000 SUDDENLINK COMMUNICATIONS 1,230,000 MEDIACOM COMMUNCIATIONS CORPORATION 1,019,000 WIDEOPENWEST NETWORKS 710,000 CABLEONE INC 601,000 RCN CORP. 331,000 ATLANTIC BROADBAND GROUP LLC 251,000 ARMSTRONG CABLE SERVICES 237,000 MIDCONTINENT COMMUNICATIONS 234,000 SERVICE ELECTRIC CABLE TV INCORPORATED 215,000 METROCAST CABLEVISION 174,000 BLUE RIDGE COMMUNICATIONS 167,000 WAVEDIVISION HOLDINGS LLC 153,000 GENERAL COMMUNICATIONS 143,000 BUCKEYE CABLESYSTEM 132,000 Source: »www.ncta.com/industry-data | |
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2013-Apr-17 5:29 pm
This is getting interestingI'm hoping for more markets. There are some big hitters that are off-limits, NYC being the first one that comes to mind, but if they could keep doing more medium- to large-sized markets, it would be amazing.
Hopefully this also stirs up some competition. If it's get's AT&T's butt rolling on FTTH, good, and if it gets the cable industry rolling on DOCSIS 3.1, 1.2ghz plants, and MPEG-4, good. The interesting story here is that within a few years, HFC will be able to compete head to head with this type of service. | |
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2013-Apr-17 7:29 pm
Please...Please come to Cleveland, OH and the surrounding suburbs. We need competition in the North East Ohio area. | |
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Re: Please...I would like google fiber but in some places in Ne you can get wow and time waner , and AT&T but not a lot I moved up the street a year ago I had to get cox because wow's lines ended before my house. | |
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Speed tests?Anyone post any speed tests or reviews on DSLR? | |
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