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Could be for longhaul network/operationsGF is building their own internal longhaul network (via Level3 it seems) and they already have a node in Denver that shows up in traceroutes. Maybe they plan to run backend services there for GF, like hosting direct video services. Denver has direct hops to Bay Area, KC and SLC (maybe Austin too). Then again, maybe it will be another expansion. Note the googlefiber.net nodes below. Chicago/Dallas also non-GF cities with nodes. New GF markets in southeast will also eventually be added to the network topology. » Google Fiber improves routing and performance | |
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Re: Could be for longhaul network/operationsI hope they get it. Even Bronco fans deserve GF. | |
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Re: Could be for longhaul network/operationsHas GF gone to the burbs in KC? I live between Durham and Cary in the triangle, but my town is not on the list; any chance or is TWC my master forever? What has been the experience in KC? | |
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Re: Could be for longhaul network/operationsYes, see below thread. | |
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FTTPR
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2015-Mar-30 10:52 am
What is the threshold to calling something "FTTPR"Seems like every fiber company is labeled "fiber to the press release" except Google Fiber, yet they are the ones that invented this marketing campaign.
You lost me at "We don't have any current plans...." | |
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Google shows what can be done.No natter what Google is doing in Denver, Google has shown that deploying fiber to smaller but major cities not even those that are in the millions is possible and profitable. If left to the large ISP's years ago there idea of cities that are profitable for fiber releases would be only 3. NYC, Chicago, & LA. the major ISP's would like to claim that population density in other cities makes fiber a no go, yet Google proved them wrong.
I only wish Google would have purchased MVDDS spectrum instead of Dish purchasing the lions share of it and squatting on it. Google would have already tried deploying Internet over that spectrum ( similar to the now defunct OMG fast service in FL) and maybe covered Rural america with A high speed option and give Verizon LTE internet (installed) a run for there money. | |
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Re: Google shows what can be done.Yeah, the size of the market doesn't matter as much to profit as total households passed and uptake of those passed. For whatever reason they are selecting mid-sized markets. KC, Charlotte/RD are 2.1M+ each, Austin approaching 2M, Atlanta is largest but so far only plans on passing about 600K pops. SLC area is smallest, about 1M. KC area still looks to be largest GF rollout planned with about 1.2M pops planned to pass so far (of about 2.1M in metro). I think Austin and Charlotte are city only, no burbs planned yet. | |
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roger
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2015-Mar-30 1:54 pm
Re: Google shows what can be done.Are they expanding to the suburbs in KC? I live in Apex, NC which is part of the triangle and only about 4 miles from Cary a GF city and in fact is between Cary and Durham another GF city. The only thing worse than living without GF and having TWC as my only choice is living 4 miles from GF. I think that they will eventually come here as we are in the metro region and have many high-tech workers and high income areas, but just wondering how things went in KC. I know the roll-out will be years, just need a little hope. | |
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Re: Google shows what can be done.Yes, there have been GF agreements with several KC burbs for quite a while, about half of the burbs or so. A few burbs already have started connections. The core fiber infrastructure is laying down now in the other burbs and home hookups supposedly starts at end of year but probably won't kick into solid gear until next year. GF is still working on North and South KC, MO proper - very very slow rollout. Based on what I can tell of availability, they are passing around 100K households or so, maybe 120K. The plan is about 500K-600K homes passed for KC metro, with avg of 2.1 or so per household, that comes to about 1M-1.2M pops passed.
As far as it coming to your burb, it just depends on what the local city govt can negotiate with Google and if city meets their criteria. | |
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Re: Google shows what can be done.Well Apex is begging for it and even filled out a checksheet. The town has its own electric utility and is doing everything to get GF. It's just going to suck to see GF 4 miles from my house and look at my TWC bill. | |
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Re: Google shows what can be done.Sending photon vibes your way. | |
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said by buddahbless:No natter what Google is doing in Denver, Google has shown that deploying fiber to smaller but major cities not even those that are in the millions is possible and profitable. I'm sorry can you please cite the source that shows GF has a profitable business model? It seems to generate more press releases than fiberhoods. | |
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Re: Google shows what can be done.Really ? just google "google fiber profits".. Its been said by google's own CEO that they may not walk away with as much as the major ISPs but the service will be expected to make a profit. | |
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said by gf_skeptic :said by buddahbless:No natter what Google is doing in Denver, Google has shown that deploying fiber to smaller but major cities not even those that are in the millions is possible and profitable. I'm sorry can you please cite the source that shows GF has a profitable business model? It seems to generate more press releases than fiberhoods. Telcom analysts claim that Google Fiber needs at least 30% uptake of homes passed to profit. In KC, uptake appears to be in the 35%-45% range and much higher in high income areas. Most upcoming burbs are generally higher income, although there is more competition. Surewest/CCI is another Gbit/FTTH provider in KC with 20K customers passing 100K homes. They seem to be surviving with 20% uptake. | |
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Verizon thus far has not been targeted by Google for fiber competition. It remains to be seen what that REAL competition might look like when it DOES happen. Verizon hasn't cherry picked their major city list.. it's their captive bread and butter alongside wireless that gives them some of the highest profits in the ISP industry. | |
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8744675
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2015-Mar-30 12:33 pm
And they also filed in GeorgiaGoogle Fiber was registered in Georgia on March 25, 2015. It's most likely for their proposed Atlanta fiber deployment. | |
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Re: And they also filed in GeorgiaGF jobs are also present in NYC even though no plans for service. Denver could be backend network/operations-related services for GF, but who knows, maybe Denver area will get GF. | |
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gf_boy
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2015-Mar-30 2:07 pm
GF is not a hobby.Carl used to point out frequently, that GF was just Google's hobby. I suspect by now that notion may be off the tables. | |
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Re: GF is not a hobby.No, I still imagine they'll reach a handful of cities, and see new executives who get bored with the slow ROI. At this deployment rate they'll have like 4% of the broadband market covered by 2020. That's still kind of a hobby. A hugely beneficial hobby for people who happen to live in range, but still kind of a hobby for a company as wealthy and large as Google. | |
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2015-Mar-30 9:21 pm
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said by gf_employee :Carl used to point out frequently, that GF was just Google's hobby. I suspect by now that notion may be off the tables. After 5 years, GF is deployed in ~2 cities and has more press announcements in DSLRs forums than customer posts.This will be serious when Google starts talking about making money vs writing this off internally as a lobbying expense. | |
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Re: GF is not a hobby.And, frankly, even saying it's deployed in "two" cities is kind of generous right now. | |
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I would moveTo salt lake city or denver if either city got Google fiber. I would probably prefer denver but I wouldn't mind either one if my home Internet didn't suck. Obviously both cities have much more to offer socially, culturally and recreationally besides the state of their HSI options, but GF would be icing on the cake. | |
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