 VanPremium join:2009-07-08 New Orleans, LA | I love Google and most of its projects but even I am wondering whether many of these people realize exactly what Google is offering
For many, what Google is offering WILL in fact be an upgrade.
But not everyone is going to get 1g service downstream at all times for little to no price and no restrictions. I think everyone is assuming that will happen when Google roles into town
Maybe I am wrong though....maybe Google does in fact plan to do that. | |
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 |  morboComplete Your Transaction join:2002-01-22 00000 | Re: I love Google and most of its projects but even I said by Van:For many, what Google is offering WILL in fact be an upgrade. For many? Don't you mean "For all" it will be an upgrade? How many people have 1Gbps fiber to the home now for any reasonable price? Zero. | |
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»www.google.com/appserve/fiberrfi/
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 |  |  |  |  VanPremium join:2009-07-08 New Orleans, LA | Re: I love Google and most of its projects but even I Apparently for you it is as a 50k-500k difference doesn't really answer my question which is how many actual people will get it.
Considering Google is throwing together such a huge number of 50k-500k, they are not even sure
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 |  |  |  |  tubbynetreminds me of the danse russePremium,MVM join:2008-01-16 Chandler, AZ | said by morbo:"at least 50,000 and potentially up to 500,000 people" orders of magnitude should be translated as "we have no idea but we're going to give you a range that we think you'll like".
i'm not holding my breath for anything more than pr.
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  tubbynetreminds me of the danse russePremium,MVM join:2008-01-16 Chandler, AZ | Re: I love Google and most of its projects but even I said by morbo:You are too cynical if you don't even believe they will provide the minimum number advertised. PR can quickly turn negative. cynicism and realism are two distinct things. i'm saying the order of magnitude of difference between quoted numbers is a little off.
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  morboComplete Your Transaction join:2002-01-22 00000 | Re: I love Google and most of its projects but even I It's only realism if Google fails to provide less than the minimum number they are claiming they will, but you have nothing to base your belief off of except your cynicism.
I guess it's understandable that people are cynical. Imagine if AT&T or Verizon said they would do this... both those companies have squandered the goodwill of the people in favor of bilking them out of their hard earned cash through unfees and billing "problems". The proof will be in the results. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  tubbynetreminds me of the danse russePremium,MVM join:2008-01-16 Chandler, AZ | Re: I love Google and most of its projects but even I said by morbo:It's only realism if Google fails to provide less than the minimum number they are claiming they will, but you have nothing to base your belief off of except your cynicism. you are 100% correct. i am cynical, especially when someone wants to deploy high speed fiber-based networks in a rural location. thats not a *cheap* endeavor. i understand that google would be playing this close to the vest, but i've not seen any detailed plan outlining how or what they would be doing (other than hyping the sh!t out of it). if this is meant as a pure pr stunt to show the carriers that people are unhappy, with current internet options, then thats fine, but nothing meaningful will come of such data (other than confirm what the majority of us already know).
i understand that people are excited and want this to happen to their community - i don't blame them. however, much like the rest of "all things google", many people will blindly accept google as being a benevolent and "super-mega-l33t awesome". i don't subscribe to this belief, as i have made apparent by being "that guy" any time google appears on the front page.
if it manifests into something real and substantial, i'll eat my words. lets just say i'm not holding any hope for such an event to occur. keep your standards low and you will always be surprised...
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  tubbynetreminds me of the danse russePremium,MVM join:2008-01-16 Chandler, AZ | Re: I love Google and most of its projects but even I said by morbo:let's make this interesting: if Google deploys fiber through this project to the 50k-500k people they say they will (in other words, their plan as hyped), then you donate $100 to the charity of dslreports choice. we'll create a poll. If they fail to deploy fiber to at least 50k people then I'll donate $100 to the charity of dslreports choice. what do you say? i'll bite. make the poll. i would like to say that i'd like charities in which most (if not all) of the money is used on those which its supposed to help - rather than overhead costs, etc.
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10 users at full line rate GE
show me 10 users who can fully utilize full line rate gig-e (let alone have the cpe to handle such sustained speeds), then we'll talk.
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 |  Warez_ZealotRural land of the rising sun join:2006-04-19 Hamilton, ON | said by Van:am wondering whether many of these people realize exactly what Google is offering For many, what Google is offering WILL in fact be an upgrade. But not everyone is going to get 1g service downstream at all times for little to no price and no restrictions. I think everyone is assuming that will happen when Google roles into town Maybe I am wrong though....maybe Google does in fact plan to do that. If google was smart, they would get individual investors on board and deploy a national co-op fibre/high speed network which has the goal of deploying in major cities, and eventually into the country side.
»arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news···iber.ars
Putting an open network in place, then letting 3rd party ISP's use the network is the best option for everyone. If the governments in Canada and America aren't willing to put in the infrastructure, Google should step up and make a start up company who will. It's obvious current telco and cable companies aren't willing to implement a serious national fibre optic network so long as there is no real threat of competition. | |
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Just thought I'd re-word your topic into how I would've written it!! 
Truthfully though, I HATE GOOGLE and anything that becomes popular just because of fanboys, which Google did!!
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1 edit | Re: Nothing wrong with lobbying for Google Fiber There's no problem. It's actually quite amazing that they've managed to tap into this excitement among cities. They've not spent a dime yet on deployment, but they've had every news outlet in the country pushing the Google brand for several months now... | |
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1 edit | Re: Nothing wrong with lobbying for Google Fiber said by Romney2012:said by Karl Bode:There's no problem. It's actually quite amazing that they've managed to tap into this excitement among cities. They've not spent a dime yet on deployment, but they've had every news outlet in the country pushing the Google brand for several months now... And I see nothing wrong with the ISP's spokesperson Cleland taking advantage of the fact that the Google PR bubble will eventually burst when the facts of their limited test become obvious to those bidding for Google's munificence. Technically he's a bogus independent consultant paid to smear enemies and distort truth. But yes, of course you don't. It's still ironic he's warning the already disappointed that they should prepare to be disappointed. | |
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| Re: Nothing wrong with lobbying for Google Fiber said by cmaenginsb:I'm not sure it's really that amazing. Less than a few years ago several cities paid huge sums of money for citywide broadband that typically fell flat of expectations all because the perception was they needed a digital edge. It's the same thing now with Google fiber where cities feel that they will have an edge due to the speeds and supposed new apps that will run on the network. I'm not talking about the fact that cities are excited. What's amazing is the PR energy generated with little to no cash expenditure. Google's name has been in every major news outlet for two months now for the time and effort it took to create a simple website and a short video: »www.google.com/appserve/fiberrfi/ | |
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That said, I think the issue raised in this article is valid. Is Google setting expectations unfairly? Is there ANY realistic possibility they'd build this network in a non-technical, rural community which is far away from a Google center? I doubt it.
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In all seriousness, Google, just tell me when and where you want me to start digging for fiber in my neighborhood! . | |
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| Could be wrong but I don't think my city (heck either of them) have applied for the Google gigabit. Not quite sure why...
That said, we've got a non-FiOS fiber provider coming in soon to Fredericksburg, TX, so with some convincing they could get to a gigabit eventually. I believe they're trying to use active optical equipment (rather than PON) so they will have the capacity, if not the competition, to do such a thing. | |
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| investing in FIBER Just pick a direction to build and make it happen. Virtually ALL the midwest & south is ripe for fiber builds. Make the southern swing from Southern California all the way to West Virginia all the while branching out north and south.
Google should start talking (send out prospective contracts) with property owners to purchase rights of way to lay down some NEW fiber lines. They don't have to actually choose where the last mile will end up, you can make an EDUCATED guess as to where in the country it is NOT right now. Major cities in the Qwest footprint comes to mind as a primary case. In 10 years they could actually be a second or third provider in almost every city qwest does business in. | |
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 | | the real reason shhh its a secret this just creates a google back bone so it dont have to play wiht the others, ya know all that in the past about payments.... IF a few people get net thats the pr and good pr but as google said they dont want to become a carrier nationally.
Wonder why not? Had enough of the youtubing your getting via hollywood .... | |
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Dear Local Business Representative:
The internet-search company Google is launching an experimental program to improve internet access and speed in select communities across the nation. Google is planning to build and test ultra-high speed broadband networks that will deliver internet speeds more than 100 times faster than the national average. In order to bring this significant project to our community, we need your help!
Public support will be a factor in Googles decision, so your vote can make a difference! To nominate Monroe County for the project, please visit www.google.com/appserve/fiberrfi/public/options and click on the Nominate Your Community option. Please pass this message on to others and encourage them to vote for Monroe County too!
Our community will certainly be facing national competition, but I am confident Monroe County can be a world-class destination for Google. I thank you for your cooperation and look forward to your continued partnership. | |
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And their annoying "Fibe" ads which served up more hype that their last mile DSL copper magically transmorphed into Fiber but was actually all just a big FIB.
It's like if you are a big company with money and mention "FIBER!" to anyone and it's like a Pavlovian insta-orgasmic response or something. -- Speak Truth To Power. | |
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 Google Fiber in Longview, Texas |
Im heading up a local campaign in Longview, Texas for Google Fiber for Communities. We convinced city leaders early that Googles fiber to the home offering was the only way to go. I feel confident Google will take dark fiber into strong consideration upon selecting their fiber testbed communities. James Kelly, on Googles Infrastructure Team said Google plans to offer fiber to at least 50,000 and potentially 500,000 homes. It would be smart for Google to test in multiple smaller communities with existing unused fiber optics underground.
Residents of Longview, TX currently have no options for fiber to-the-home. In fact, Cable and DSL is what most people use. We still have people down here dialing up true 56k style.
It will be more cost effective for Google to tie into existing dark fiber as opposed to run new fiber via power poles. The only reason the dark fiber in Longview, TX remains unused today is because of the telcos, which the Giant is getting ready to straighten out. The teclos are basically the reason the United States ranks horribly in Internet download and upload times.
Google fiber will over due time help entire communities overcome the humps of social media and more rapidly expand into nearby communities. Thats another reason Longview, Texas is on Google fiber radar b/c the city is located directly inbetween two major marketplaces (Dallas, TX and Shreveport, LA).
Google recently got the right to buy and sell energy and they just announced Google Fiber for Communities on February 10, 2010. Web 3.0 will evolve as a result of Googles fiber-to-the-home. The apps that can built around this are unmatched and Google knows this! Its not a deal killer for Facebook, Twitter and the rest of the real time search leaders just yet, but overtime Google will not only remain king but become a world leader of sorts.
The telcos will not stand up to Google. Instead they will join in and jump on the big G ship headed straight for ultra-fast 1 gigabit per second Internet connectivity to residents in smaller communities. This goes back to the old saying that the slot machines keep the lights on in casinos across the world. Fact is its true and Google is smart by conducting their fiber experiment in smaller communities used as testbeds for fiber, innovators of new technologies and devices, and beta testers at large.
Longview hopes to form a long-lasting, mutually beneficial relationship with Mountain View-based Google, Inc. Were all fans of Google in Longview. They make the world we live in a better, more enjoyable place!
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Seriously: it's amazing and rather embarrassing how easily Google can get mayors, city council members, and even Senators (Al Franken in particular) to grovel simply by waving an unspecified amount of money in their direction. Especially when Google has been a failure at municipal networking in the past; its Mountain View, CA network has been a poor performer and a big money loser. And if Google imposes "network neutrality" policies upon the networks, they will be guaranteed to be financial disasters. | |
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As to "free"...they've made very clear that their service will be at rates comparable to what their target areas pay now. No one will get cheaper service...just more bandwidth. Lots of the energy comes from communities who don't even have the smarts to read the summary terms and conditions.
And it's totally clear that Google wants their demo sites to have lots of user density, and lots of utilization.
Thus a key part of a winning proposal is going to be survey data to show that a candidate area has a very high service density now; is made up of households that are likely to dream up uses for all that bandwidth that are less obvious and more creative than D/Ling vast numbers of torrents; and has a high percentage of subscribers who are willing to commit to dropping their current service subscription, switching to Google at the same price, and dealing with the usual new-hardware-software-and-SOPs issues. | |
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Greenville, South Carolina - March 23, 2010 - In a collaborative community-based effort to bring Googles new ultra-high speed experimental broadband - named Google Fiber - to Greenville, local residents formed what they are calling the worlds first and largest people-powered Google chain, dubbed Google On Main, in the heart of downtown Greenville.
"There is no other city in the country that could have cut through the red tape and pulled this off in the two weeks it took us to do this, said event organizer Aaron von Frank. This showcases whats so special about this city: weve got government officials, global businesses, tech entrepreneurs, artists, and engaged citizens that understand the important role we each play- and we all know how to work together as a team to pull off things that would be impossible in other cities.
Each participant who signed up for the event through the website www.WeAreFeelingLucky.com was given a LED-powered, eco-friendly glow stick to spin overhead as they grouped into formations to spell the word Google in the middle of Falls Park next to Main Street. Helicopters, an airplane, and ground crews all took pictures and videos of the event- many of which have already been released online. Event planners estimate that the attendance exceeded the events maximum capacity of 2,000 people. Its a good thing we bought 200 extra glow sticks, said Lehsa Griebel, the City of Greenvilles IT Director, and a Google On Main volunteer.
The attendees and volunteers for Google On Main hope their efforts will help in their citys overall initiative to show Google that Greenville, South Carolina is the best place in the country to test Google Fiber. Asked what he thought Greenvilles chances were of getting Google Fiber, von Frank added I havent seen any efforts anywhere else in the country that can compare to what Greenville is doing. We dont know what Google will ultimately decide, but we are feeling lucky.
Press inquiries can be directed to Aaron von Frank @ aarongvf@gmail.com / (864) 252-6675. | |
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