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Google Fiber Offers Free 1 Gbps Lines to 100 Austin Locations
by Karl Bode 10:27AM Monday Dec 16 2013
While Google Fiber's sweetheart deals with cities certainly aren't outside the realm of criticism, it's not as if cities aren't getting some perks out of the arrangement. As part of Google Fiber's deal with Austin, the city is to receive free, 1 Gbps connections at 100 locations for the next decade. The city just released a list of the locations they've selected, which range from YMCAs to performing arts organizations.

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Over at the Google Fiber blog, Google notes that a listed location has to be in a "fiberhood" before it can get service, so the company is warning that it may be a little while before these listed locations get service:
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"This whole process will take awhile — it will probably be over a year before we can even start making these Community Connections. But until then, we’re excited to get to know these organizations and hear about their plans for how they want to use their Fiber connection."
It's not clear if AT&T's 1 Gbps deployments in Austin will come with any similar perks for the city.

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GoogleBeta

@comcast.net

Typical Google Beta promises - maybe never; go away anytime

This is typical Google beta attitude. They promised the city something that may NEVER take place and at best is years away. And if they do deliver it can go away at anytime if they terminate project or sell infrastructure to someone else.
xenophon

join:2007-09-17

Re: Typical Google Beta promises - maybe never; go away anytime

They are doing the same in KC. Every fiberhood has a local school or org that gets free 1Gbit. It's not a promise, they are delivering it.

Gooogled

@verizon.net

Re: Typical Google Beta promises - maybe never; go away anytime

Nothing different than most cable franchise agreements. Cable in the Classroom is a pretty standard perk as is offering local TV channels, studio equipment paying a franchise fee, etc.

I'm a bit worried about how student privacy with this and chromebook offers to schools. Our next generation will be very well known by Google.
dra6o0n

join:2011-08-15
Mississauga, ON

Re: Typical Google Beta promises - maybe never; go away anytime

I doubt privacy is a concern while they use various social network and share their lives with the internet.

morbo
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AT&T will never offer free

AT&T is fully entrenched in the Universal Service Fund (USF) slushfund. They will direct public entities to use the USF and then collect USF funds for providing the service. The idea that AT&T would actually give away such high speed service is laughable.
Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO

Re: AT&T will never offer free

The idea that AT&T would actually provide such high speed service is laughable enough.
brianiscool

join:2000-08-16
Tampa, FL
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Should of

I should of moved here 6 months ago. Sadly, though a lot of jobs are gone because everyone is taking them

tshirt
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Big donation?

$70 per month x 12 months x 10 years x up to 100 locations = $840,000
a mere $8400 per location over 10 years in return for a take rate that guarantees (I'm unsure of the exact "fiberhood" populatation size and take requirements for Austin) somewhere between 100-1000 homes signed up to pay EVERY month for at least 1 year and the right to harvest info from those lines in perpetuity.
Googles promise of this tax deductable gift "donation" nets advertising and guilt value to pump up the fiberhood hype.

morbo
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Re: Big donation?

It's more important to know what cost and service Google is replacing for these public locations. We all know they aren't paying $70 a month for gigabit internet services.

tshirt
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Re: Big donation?

said by morbo:

It's more important to know what cost and service Google is replacing for these public locations.

I'm guessing you would object if the "existing retail price method" of assigning value were used, perhaps by the MPAA/RIAA, in the determination of damages.
Why is this different?

My point is Google has calculated the minuet after tax, pay out cost due only after the fact to be a (very, very) small price to pay for the PR.
Which seems to fool a lot of people into wanting to give Google all sorts of leeway never offered to any other BUSINESS, while criticizing the incumbents for failing to "compete" on this unequal playing field.
Caveat Emptor
Skippy25

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Re: Big donation?

The other businesses have had decades to up their game and have failed.

I personally would like to see the city / states simply stop issuing them a business license to operate in their area thus devaluing their networks and causing them to sell it for pennies on the dollar.

However, I am perfectly happy with them giving someone like Google that is willing to come in and do it right plenty of perks and leeway instead.

tshirt
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Re: Big donation?

said by Skippy25:

I personally would like to see the city / states simply stop issuing them a business license to operate in their area thus devaluing their networks and causing them to sell it for pennies on the dollar.

So having gov't select ONE entity to provide service, subsidized by taxpayers (sounds like the bell system) based on what YOU believe to be best TODAY?

And you aren't even willing to let them actually COMPETE, but want to bar the current players from the market.
Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO

Re: Big donation?

No, what I would like to see is the network being ran as the dumbpipe it is for any over the top provider to use to reach all consumers for any service they want to offer that a consumer may want to consume.
openbox9
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Re: Big donation?

What other US ISPs aren't serving up "dumb pipes"?
dra6o0n

join:2011-08-15
Mississauga, ON
Incumbants can lobby you to death.

morbo
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What are you yammering on about?

The library and the local schools don't pay AT&T $70 a month for a gigabit connection. Most likely, they pay (or use the USF to pay AT&T) much, much more for a much, much slower connection.

The value shouldn't be seen as google donating $70/month per connection, but as what it SAVES these other entities over what they currently pay AT&T. For example, say the high school pays $1000 a month for a few T1s. Google is helping save $930 a month and providing a much faster connection.

tshirt
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Re: Big donation?

So the applying USF fees collected from Telco service customers to cover the expense of providing highly discounted services to said organizations is EVIL?
But the city agreeing to a backroom deal to wave those many of those same expenses for ONE private entity only is good?

Or is it YOU only care about cheap broadband, not the taxpayers (whether they want faster broadband or not) who will pay more to make up for the lost revenue from those fees and expenses?
This is just cost shifting for the Google PR machine, and some people are unwilling to look behind the curtain, or REFUSE to believe that OZ maybe just a (CTE induced) dream, and "cheap" is just tapping someone else's pocket in a new way.

morbo
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Re: Big donation?

said by tshirt:

Or is it YOU only care about cheap broadband, not the taxpayers (whether they want faster broadband or not) who will pay more to make up for the lost revenue from those fees and expenses?

Taxpayers that have paid for the entire telco infrastructure many times over? Taxpayers that have been promises high speed internet yet are consistently provided expensive and sluggish connections?

Yeah, I think taxpayers are done believing that AT&T is here to compete out of the goodness of their hearts. The only reason AT&T is even trying to complete is Google came to town offering faster service and lower prices that AT&T has failed to deliver.

But yes, you figured me out. All I want is to not look behind the curtain.

tshirt
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Re: Big donation?

said by morbo:

Taxpayers that have paid for the entire telco infrastructure many times over?

Sort of like saying you own Ford because your always buy a ford truck.
You paid for SERVICE from the Telco, you did not buy the Telco.

said by morbo:

Yeah, I think taxpayers are done believing that AT&T is here to compete out of the goodness of their hearts.

But that should NOT mean you believe Google is doing this out of the "goodness of their heart"
and failure to think ahead, just to get today's shiny trinket, you aren't running for congress are you?
dra6o0n

join:2011-08-15
Mississauga, ON
High schools and colleges has populations of over 1000 to 5000 students on average.
That many people worth of ad revenue, plus yearly injection of new students will continuously feed the google machine.
WhatNow
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Re: Big donation?

If AT&T and other ISPs disappears or are greatly reduced then that is less taxes they are paying into the system.
If there are only 100 sites then these connections are not going to schools.

battleop

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It sucks to be the little guy...

This will have little effect on the big ISPs but it will wipe out the small guy who simpley can't compete. What's bullshit is that Google won't be in this for the long term All they want to do is stir up the pot so that other companies deploy 1Gb service for them. They really don't give a shit about being an ISP as much as they just want faster access to their end users.
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I do not, have not, and will not work for AT&T/Comcast/Verizon/Charter or similar sized company.

KrK
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Re: It sucks to be the little guy...

Maybe, maybe not. Either way, it's win/win/win for everybody. Bring it on.

battleop

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Re: It sucks to be the little guy...

Similar to how WalMart is a win/win/win for everyone?
Skippy25

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Re: It sucks to be the little guy...

I think you are being a little sensational in your comments, but Yes I would agree with KrK.

The absolute worse thing that would happen, as you pointed out, is that they would stir up the pot and get other lazy, greedy, anti-consumer companies like AT&T, Comcast and Verizon to deploy 1GB service.

Once they do that we all can sit back and whine about how we have 1GB service for less then $75 a mth and we really want 100MB service for $150 a mth.

Your boohooing is getting old.

battleop

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Re: It sucks to be the little guy...

Yea right back to a duopoly of craptastic service. Speed isn't everything. Just ask Comcast customers with fast internet
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dra6o0n

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Re: It sucks to be the little guy...

You do realize all fair in love and war, or in this case the war of business.
Small companies trying to scrap a.living is their own fault for not quitting before it hurts, so they can revise and innovate better and more unique businesses.
The thing about business men is that they are a entirely different breed of man, of those in mindset that thinks of only themselves as a.company. They may have a 'us vs the world' attitude...

Survival of the fittest. And suits and corporations are exactly the fittest. Its about 'work' and by definition means continuous nonstop action. The moment a business stops working, is the moment it fails.
Google basically keeps going and going, regardless of success and failures, of shame and pride.
sonicmerlin

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Uh... What small guy?

battleop

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Re: It sucks to be the little guy...

There are still thousands of small ISPs and WISPs around.
dra6o0n

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Re: It sucks to be the little guy...

That buys usage of big ones. If they get chopped, its their fault for following the wrong guy isn't it?
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Next geography?

I still don't see Google chomping at the bit to go into the southwest where CenturyTel has forgotten it's customers for next generation upgrades. It's not as if there are NO fiber optic cables deployed in the southwest (Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, etc)

fatpipe

join:2011-10-02
Austin, TX

I live .7 miles from one of the 100 locations!

Yes, yes I know. Doesn't mean much, but I can't help but feel my home is one step closer to getting that 1 Gig pipe!

Perhaps not so coincidentally, today, I received in the mail my engraved invitation from AT&T announcing that my address is qualified to receive their GigaPower service albeit with deep packet snooping!

Wow, it seems I have so many choices all of a sudden!

Damn!, its good to be alive and well in Austin, Texas!

Your move TWC!