 | | Jealous for Provo I have been seeing Google Fiber advertisements in the Provo area for months. I hope they move into non-Utopia cities like Pleasant Grove. | |
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 | | | Re: Jealous for Provo Don't hold your breath. They keep announcing new cities, but those cities won't come online for many more months. Let alone any time this year. | |
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| | | Is reasonable that Google may expand to most of SLC metro area eventually given the later announcements for almost entire KC metro area - a huge area. But of course they have to show they will deliver, is just announcements for now. | |
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| | | | Re: Jealous for Provo Right. It's just the PR machine at its best, as always. | |
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| | | | | Re: Jealous for Provo Rather overstated. You're assuming they won't deliver. It's not really PR machine talk unless they don't. | |
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1 recommendation | Wonder if they've upgraded with Google Fiber architecture Google in KC is supposedly doing a form of custom GPON/WDM and maybe Active Ethernet hybrid that gives 1Gbit per user no matter the load in the rest of hood (outside the obvious bottlenecks on other end of Net of course). Provo's initial network is apparently straight up active ethernet, which some say is better than straight up GPON but not on par with the hybrid thing Google is doing. Wonder if they upgraded to keep Google fiber consistent. | |
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| | | Re: Wonder if they've upgraded with Google Fiber architecture It has been said before that they had to upgrade the network. | |
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| Bengie25
join:2010-04-22
Wisconsin Rapids, WI Reviews:
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| WDM-GPON is actually quite awesome. For residential customers, the line latency difference between AE and WDM is negligible and WDM consumes a fraction the power.
AE is something like 2watts per port and supports 1 user while WDM is about 5 watts per port and supports 32 users.
Technically, WDM-GPON is faster than 1gb AE because the line rate is closer to 1.2gb effective. Depending on the tech they use, they could upgrade to 2.5g/2.5g relatively easily in the future as GPON currently supports these specs.
Obviously a single 1gb port won't allow such speeds, but a switch with 3+ ports could make use as long as the internal link to the WAN port can handle it. | |
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 tshirtPremium,MVM
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:4
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2 edits | $1 dollar and ZERO debt.... ...which was left for the tax payers to pay off.
The Associated Press reports that Google will purchase Provo's iProvo network for just one dollar. According to the AP, Provo will be paying off loans on the $39 million network for 12 years to come. Google will purchase the network for the princely sum of $1 and offer residents of Provo, Utah internet free of charge following a $30 connection fee.
Edit: Karl has reworded the story so it no longer appears to say Google paid off the debt. Thank you, Karl. | |
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| | | Re: $1 dollar and ZERO debt.... yep! the only debt they have is to upgrade the network. That's it. | |
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| Bengie25
join:2010-04-22
Wisconsin Rapids, WI | Which is still better than losing $1m/year in operational costs.
Don't forget about the benefit cheap faster Internet will bring. That always spurs economic growth. | |
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| Re: $1 dollar and ZERO debt.... Hardly any econ growth. I don't see any massive companies flocking to the EPB area with their Fiber. Or Wilson NC, and the only thing in the KC area is start ups that are operating illegally in residential areas out of homes that they buy.
This whole econ growth is pure BS. | |
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| | | Bengie25
join:2010-04-22
Wisconsin Rapids, WI Reviews:
·Solarus
| Re: $1 dollar and ZERO debt.... Actually, a few out-of-state companies started to offer work-from-home phone-center jobs that the companies said could not be done without high speed reliable internet.
It has been shown that there is almost always an increase of GDP after Internet speeds are increased. The GDP increase typically is enough to pay off a fiber network in one year once the benefits of the network has had time to work its way through the economy, which takes a few years.
On a side note, the electric company said they cut their operation costs of $2mil/year to $1mil/year entirely because of their new network.
They are passing the savings on directly to the customers the same way they reduced their 1gb tier from $300/month to $70/month once they paid off their infrastructure. | |
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1 recommendation | Re: $1 dollar and ZERO debt.... In KC the hype alone has increased investment. Even before Google really delivered the hype has created dozens of new startups, more investment into existing startups and many orgs in KC have been created. The hype alone did this. A few small companies have moved to KC because of Google presence.
I'm aiding a 'what to do with a gigabit' project that wouldn't be happening w/out Gbit presence. The project has the attention of National Science Foundation, who are now directly involved, providing resources to make it happen. It's curious how hype can have more impact than the Gbit connection itself. | |
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| | | | | tshirtPremium,MVM
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:4 Reviews:
·Comcast
| Re: $1 dollar and ZERO debt.... But how many "work from home" communities can thrive?
How many cities can afford to invest millions or billions of dollars just to save a few people from commuting?
and the companies benefiting may not have any other presence in your town, so the limited employment of that one or 2 people and whatever their meager paycheck adds to the local economy (taxes and secondary jobs supported by that persons LOCAL spending) may be all the return you see. | |
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| | | I'm sorry, were you implying that by not selling the network to Google fiber that the taxpayers would not have the debt to pay off?
Certainly not, so that leaves us with this situation:
Option 1:Provo keeps fiber network, it continues to decline, no additional or substantive money can be put in it. Eventually it just dies likely with more debt than today.
Option 2:Sell to Google with requirements and build-out rules that will drive economic activity and business in the city hopefully raising the tax base a little, but even if not, certainly improving quality of life for their residents.
The debt iprovo left is approx 1200 per household in provo. (112000 residents @ 3.5 persons per household average). If the residents of Provo saved only 10 dollars a month (or got 10 dollars of value) in telecommunications improvements, then they break even around 10 years. But everyone knows that 1GB it's worth much more than that. Currently provo pays about 8.50 per household per month on that debt. Name one single person in this site who would not pay an additional 8.50 to upgrade whatever connection they have to 1gigabit. Especially in the presence of option 2, which would be to pay the 8.50 for nothing.
So when you actually *think* about what's going on. It's a good situation. When you have superficial knowledge and like to talk about such it's easy to be deluded. | |
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| |  batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie.Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ | Re: $1 dollar and ZERO debt.... said by delusion ftl :Certainly not, so that leaves us with this situation:
Option 1:Provo keeps fiber network, ...
Option 2:Sell to Google with requirements ...
Option 3: Don't waste taxpayer money by doing stupid things a town has no business doing. BTW Google has no requirements as they can walk at any time. | |
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| | Google Fiber is what exactly If Google Fiber isn't considered broadband then what is it? | |
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| | | Re: Google Fiber is what exactly a beta program. | |
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| Bengie25
join:2010-04-22
Wisconsin Rapids, WI Reviews:
·Solarus
| Legitimate question.
All broadband means is that there are multiple bands being used to supply different services. I guess it comes down to if Google is supplying all of their services in the same band.
In this case, it would effectively mean are all of their services supplied over your Internet connection. | |
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| | | It is sometimes called wide-band, but that term can be somewhat ambiguous. Consider it very high speed internet access. Or ultra-broadband. | |
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| | ISPs made google I think is funny that google is poking fun at local telcos and cable companies. Google would be nothing without these broadband companies . If all the telcos/cablecos blocked google traffic they would die a quick death. Would google even be around if the internet didn't have these broadband companies? I doubt it. | |
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| | | Re: ISPs made google I thought broadband companies would be nothing without content people want to look at?
Think you have it backwards. | |
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| | | | Re: ISPs made google With all the spying that google allows not all of us enjoy their "content" I don't remember google during the dial up days. I remember AOL,MSN. Google came after the internet. YouTube is nothing without these broadband pipes. Go for it though. If google can build out a fiber network then do it. I would love to see more fiber. I just wouldn't bite the hand that feeds. My hope is that it prompts these other companies into upgrading also. | |
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| | | batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie.Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ | Re: ISPs made google said by billcows: I don't remember google during the dial up days.
I do and remember the first time I "Googled" something; I wanted to find out how much the ancient Egyptians knew about geometry to settle an argument and got my answer. I was amazed but wondered how they could do this for free.  | |
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| Bengie25
join:2010-04-22
Wisconsin Rapids, WI Reviews:
·Solarus
| Google wouldn't exist without ISPs, but ISPs wouldn't exist without a "Google".
It's a symbiotic relation, there is no one is more important than the other.
It's like the kidneys and the liver fighting over who's more important. You'd die without either. | |
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