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Greenville, TX | Figures. "was sued by the DOJ for questioning the practice's legitimacy after he and his ISP were "gagged" by the government for years."
Well then... that's interesting. Sued for questioning.. | |
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 | | | Re: Figures. said by LightS:"was sued by the DOJ for questioning the practice's legitimacy after he and his ISP were "gagged" by the government for years."
Well then... that's interesting. Sued for questioning..
This country is becoming more creepy by the minute.
As much as Google is creepy themselves, I applaud them. If not them then who? I see nobody else that big doing anything. | |
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join:2005-03-19
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| Re: Figures. the only creepy thing about any of this is that it isn't brought up in the media AT ALL. The media has constitutional protections in place to keep them safe. Fix the media, get this kind of stuff out there for public discussion and things might just get fixed.
I still don't know why it took 3 days for CNN to even begin to report on Akransas' oil spill. | |
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Mississauga, ON | Re: Figures. Because the US government has it's extensive line of covert departments and military departments to thank for silencing the mass public. Oh and it's funding in propaganda based tactics. | |
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| | | | | Actually the media's protection has been eroding. Fox news is fighting for the right of a reporter not to have to reveal sources. It's time for the Supreme Court to reinforce the First Amendment again. | |
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join:2005-03-19
Evanston, IL | Re: Figures. lol. Fox News doesn't exactly report the truth sometimes. | |
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CNN and Anderson Cooper covered up Iran and Iraq dictatorships for years. MSNBC gets caught editing videos constantly or simply not reporting anything negative on Obama. In fact, it's now known that the four major second rate lieing networks met at the White House and planned the Obama press coverage years ago. Gee, that never showed up on their list of White House guests. If it wasn't for Fox News, we would would never have known about Benghazi or half the energy investments that failed under this administration.
Fox News is the most accurate reporting we have. Opinion people at night are different than news coverage but since you don't know the difference between Fox News and Fox Opinion hosts, please keep spreading that type of ignorance. | |
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| Re: Figures. seriously? You don't know anything about me. I don't know how you can make that assumption.
Fox News is definitely not the most accurate reporting we have. Get your news outside the corporate newsosphere and you might learn something real.
Benghazi was reported on in the International Media long before FN had access. Those failed energy investments are expected. Not every investment is going to produce results. You have to live in a bubble to not know that you will lose money on some investments. | |
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Washington, DC | I've always thought of gag orders as unconstitutional Gag orders seem in direct violation of the first amendment. Every judge disagrees with me, of course.
Sure you can violate a contract by saying something that you agreed not to say, but there's no consent involved in a gag order. | |
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| dra6o0n
join:2011-08-15
Mississauga, ON | Re: I've always thought of gag orders as unconstitutional People can wrap words in different ways, to get around things.
This is called Law. | |
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|  camaro92Question everythingPremium
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| To me a gag order is put in place to hide the real truth from the public when juicy stuff is being decided in court. For some reason if any case has been sealed or continued without a finding can be dug up by doing some research, but when something has a gag order, forget about it, you will never be able to see those file's. | |
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| | | The federal spooks (more properly the U.S. Gestapo) don't give a rats' tushie about constitutional protections. They do whatever they d*** well please and if you get in their way or fail to bow and obey you are asking for a trip to Gitmo. | |
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| | warrant/gag So they give your company a warrant for data, which also includes a gag order.
Feds: I have a blanket warrant here which includes this gag order.
you: What warrant?
Feds: This blanket warrant here which includes this gag order.
you: What warrant?
Feds: This blanket warrant here with, oh goddamnitsomuch!!!!
Feds: So here is a blanket warrant without a gag order then. [while holding gag order behind his back for after data release]
you: Well first just let me notify every employee here over this loud speaker and scan this blanket warrant and put it online to 100 sites.
Feds: You are making us very angry!!!!
you: Well maybe if you obeyed constitutional law then, otherwise get lost and don't even think about arresting me(wow look at that camera watching/listening to us and uploading to multiple places) for obstruction to get that data, as you are not operating within the bounds of Constitutional law.
Heres the thing, some investigations need to be kept quiet and the warrant should show that along with the specific crime committed. So you are then signing some sort of order from a Judge(or going in front of him) to not tell for 30+ days and then you can blab.
A basic thing with warrants: You can check/dispute it for legality before obeying it. That includes an officer at your door demanding to come in, even though he is at the wrong address/name.
Call the courts/Judge for authenticity, as there should be a signing Judges name on it.
Check the crime committed on it, as there should be a crime being investigated and not just, 'dude shagged my ex-wife, so I'm here to make his life hell'.
A blanket warrant is not really legal, as it will not specify what evidence is being sought.
ex: serve a warrant for graffiti artist spray cans, and find a baggie of pot, so since it was only spray cans being sought, the pot gets confiscated but ignored by the law(there are exceptions to that, like if an unwilling sex slave is found and you can't ignore that). | |
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Fort Worth, TX | Re: warrant/gag you: Well first just let me notify every employee here over this loud speaker and scan this blanket warrant and put it online to 100 sites.
Feds: You are making us very angry!!!! That is a good one! I wonder how long you could stall with that tactic before they just "cuff you and stuff you" for being so uncooperative? | |
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There is so much stuff going on with abuses of the 'justifiable laws' that people are very afraid of saying anything due to being threatened by 'secrecy' or you'll rot in this cell for months on charges of "DO AS YOU ARE TOLD MAGGOT".
Number one way to make people do something for you even though its illegal?
Threaten them.
Deportation. Suspicion of being a drug mule(shout out to the New York PD!!).
Its a shame you fell down the stairs and died. Lots of threats to keep the people submissive.
Don't forget that a "blanket warrant" means that they are suspicious of an illegal act may be happening, but they have no court admissible evidence of an illegal act, so they need the "blanket warrant" to get in and go through everything to find that illegal act. Even if the illegal act does not exist.
Theres a data base of employees of big chain stores who are 'suspected of stealing' without any police involvement. Some may not even know that they were suspected of theft. It means the next company that hires you, will not because you are on the list.
»www.nytimes.com/2013/04/03/busin···fts.html | |
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| | | | | Re: warrant/gag said by humanfilth:Don't forget that a "blanket warrant" means that they are suspicious of an illegal act may be happening, but they have no court admissible evidence of an illegal act, so they need the "blanket warrant" to get in and go through everything to find that illegal act. Even if the illegal act does not exist.
It is impotant to note that a fishing "warrant" would still need to be signed by a judge. In these cases, there is no warrant at all. There is just a "letter", written by a prosecutor, which bars the recipient from even asking a judge to review it.
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kudos:6 | Ya can't invoice it... Google isn't in the business of giving away data for free.
The national letter precludes writing an invoice or including it on a statement. | |
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| | Hooray for Google! About time someone stands up to the thugs and goons that Amerkans call "Government"!!! | |
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| | | Re: Hooray for Google! Boo for Google!! Even if it's for something good (pretentiously)
I'd just as soon wished they'd die and rot in hell!!
Have NEVER liked them and NEVER will!!
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| | This is big government... Several years ago I was interested in becoming a WISP for an area. While researching legalities I discovered that (under Bush I think) a little bit of legislation passed that required ISPs to record everything a person does. I took it a little too literally and got upset at needing to purchase all that storage space.
Silly, I know. But what is scary is that your ISP is required by law to maintain records of all the websites you visit (IP list, times/dates, etc) and hold those records for an amount of time.
It's been a while and a lot of beer has passed through my brain since then, but it happened. | |
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