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Google Insists They're Beefing up Encryption After NSA Leaks
by Karl Bode 02:17PM Monday Sep 09 2013
In the wake of the latest NSA revelations regarding encryption, Google says the company is speeding up efforts to encrypt data traveling between data centers to at least slow spying by the NSA, global governments, and hackers around the world. "It’s an arms race," Google VP for security engineering Eric Grosse tells the Washington Post. "We see these government agencies as among the most skilled players in this game." Questions remain just how compliant tech companies have been with the spying, and whether these kinds of announcements are predominately about damage control.

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n2jtx

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Damage Control

As noted elsewhere, the tech company's have been falling all over themselves to help the government spy in exchange for lucrative contracts. This is all about damage control. I still believe, when pressed, these companies will as Bart Simpson said, "fold faster than Superman on laundry day."
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goalieskates
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Re: Damage Control

Definitely.

Sorry, Google, that ship has sailed.

davoice

join:2000-08-12
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Re: Damage Control

Not only has the ship sailed, it sunk! Remember, if the gov can force them to give over the master encryption key, what difference does it make if the data was encrypted in the first place?

Corehhi

join:2002-01-28
Bluffton, SC

Re: Damage Control

said by davoice:

Not only has the ship sailed, it sunk! Remember, if the gov can force them to give over the master encryption key, what difference does it make if the data was encrypted in the first place?

All BS because the NSA can just use their secret court to do what ever then put a gag order on Google.

BIGMIKE
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batterup
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said by n2jtx:

..."fold faster than Superman on laundry day."

Oh I get it, I had to think; faster than a speeding bullet.
jc100

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Dog meet pony Show

Give me. Break. Faceook, google, phone companies, etc are wholesaling you data to the NSA through lucrative contracts. I don't believe one minute Google is going to make a truely concerted effort to thwart the government. Even if they did, any records becomeopn game under a FISA /FBI letter.

Short of never storingany data, this dog and pony show doesn't impress. The government will get its data by tapping the pipes and forcing companies to comply. Freedoms are gone post 9/11 thanks to fearmongering.

Sarick
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Re: Dog meet pony Show

Exactly.
»www.veteranstoday.com/2012/07/10···e-award/

The writer of Facebook got a government award!

Oh, look the account that uploaded award being handed out on youtube was TERMINATED.
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Legal Obligation to Cooperate, Remain Silent &Turn Over Data

Google, like any company that has operations in the U.S. (whether based in the U.S. or not) has a legal obligation to cooperate, turn over data and remain silent about it under various circumstances.

They cannot avoid this fact without getting the laws changed by both houses of Congress and signed by the President.

Karl Bode
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Re: Legal Obligation to Cooperate, Remain Silent &Turn Over Data

Perhaps not, but that doesn't mean they can't fight under select circumstances. And it certainly doesn't mean they need to go above and beyond what was asked (like AT&T allowing cloned fiber streams of every iota of traffic hitting their network). Fortunately Google's at least fighting against NSLs and these gag orders:

»Google Fighting National Security Letters

One also wonders what kind of movement would occur if Yahoo, Google, Apple, Facebook and Microsoft worked collectively to fight many of these demands under Constitutional grounds. A little collective, corporate resistance and civil disobedience using jobs as a carrot?
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Re: Legal Obligation to Cooperate, Remain Silent &Turn Over Data

They would have to fight it in secret with the FISA Court, whose judges will rubber stamp whatever the government argues.

And if they even did have any measure of success, the government will find new means of spying as soon as any old ones were ramped down.

Then we'll all find out about it in 10 - 15 years after we all thought it ended. And then the cycle will begin again.

FFH
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Re: Legal Obligation to Cooperate, Remain Silent &Turn Over Data

said by josephf:

They would have to fight it in secret with the FISA Court, whose judges will rubber stamp whatever the government argues.

Google, MS, APPLE,etc don't have to secretly fight the law in FISA court. They can lobby Congress by buying Congresscritters at election time like they do on any law they like or don't like. If these companies REALLY want this law changed(which I doubt), they can buy it in Congress as usual.
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All tech Companies should leave the US and black List all US IP addresses so they wil be cut off from the rest of the world.
If the Government wants to play hardball imagine the damage to the US if Google , Facebook and yahoo decided to cease operations until the US stopped acting like the Internet police.

cableties
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Yet Google...

... pays to keep advertising from being blocked.
(and adservers are HIGHEST target for malware injecting).

Pot meet kettle.
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Metatron2008
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Beefing up encryption for the NSA they mean

So that people won't know about the leaks unless they are a very good hacker

ropeguru
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What good is...

beefing up encryption when you just handover the keys.
en103

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Re: What good is...

Exactly. The chain is only as good as its weakest link.

SysOp

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look at the bigger picture

Why buy the cow when you get the milk for free? Why pay google for access to data when you can wire tap the exit nodes?

Google is just making sure the NSA pays their access fees.

When the NSA stops paying or the time runs out for what they have paid for, google will be in a better position to cut them off by simply changing the keys.

Protecting users privacy? I doubt it. Protecting revenue is more like it.

Google makes money off data mining, they are in the business of selling information they collect on you to other people.

meeeeeeeeee

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Offshore it all

It's very simple... Offshore all their datacenters (and LOUDLY proclaim to the world that once again Washington has caused yet another loss of American jobs because they made doing business in the U.S. impossible) and offer people the option of a paid service in which Google merely acts as a repository and forwarder for customer encrypted email for which Google has no keys. Offset their data mining losses for those emails with the fee charged customers wanting the service. For everyone else it's "hey, we'll do the best we can, but no promises". I'm sure their other services can be similarly tweaked.

If the servers ain't here and are instead in another country that doesn't mind telling Washington to "stick it", the NSA and FISA Court can cry and whine and pout all they want, even throw a full out tantrum, but they'll still get nothing.
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elray

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Yeah Riiiight

This from the company that believes you should not have the freedom to drive your own car.

This from the company that enjoys DOJ protection so it doesn't have to reveal what contracts it has with NSA and other agencies.

This from the company that mysteriously gets to park its executive jets at Moffet.

Me thinks they doth protest too much.