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I don't like it.
That is all.
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I don't like it.
That is all.
Blob
Edit: I guess it beats 'Ball'  Is it the name alone you don't care for, or do you have globophobia?  | |
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| Re: Loon? said by EdmundGerber:said by workablob:How cute.
I don't like it.
That is all.
Blob
Edit: I guess it beats 'Ball'  Is it the name alone you don't care for, or do you have globophobia? LOL.
No, Just the name.
It's like: Some egghead at Google: What should we call it
Other egghead: Well we are using Balloon so how about Balloon?
First egghead: How about loon? Get it. BalLOON. It evokes the image of a loon flying around providing Internet access. It's Cute. People will like it. Well, most people.
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| Re: Loon? said by RockCake:I've got it: Google...balloon ---> Gloon!  Balloogle anyone? 
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Loon makes me think loonie Canadian slang for the Canadian dollar, not to be confused with luntic, us slang for Canadians. | |
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| Re: Loon? said by tshirt:there is Boogle not to be confused with boggle (word game) or boggles the mind.
Loon makes me think loonie Canadian slang for the Canadian dollar, not to be confused with luntic, us slang for Canadians. That's it!
Call it LoonToonie!
Eh?
Yep.
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 SunnyD join:2009-03-20 Madison, AL | So low pressure systems are the place to be? Inherently, a low pressure system is a "vortex" of sorts. So therefore you'll get the best bandwidth in a low pressure system? Hurricaine Google! | |
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| Re: Radio astronomy interference concerns Thank You 
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| No way its a hot air balloon The project is almost certainly using helium balloons , but it could be hydrogen. Safety issues would be minimal with hydrogen for this, but the public would be frightened. A lighter-than air hydrogen would be much safer than a hot air balloon, in addition to being much more practical. | |
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| Re: No way its a hot air balloon said by StillLearn:The project is almost certainly using helium balloons , but it could be hydrogen. Safety issues would be minimal with hydrogen for this, but the public would be frightened. Yes, because Hydrogen implodes rather than explodes.
But, yes the tin foilers will freak out.
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| Re: No way its a hot air balloon said by Liberty:said by workablob:Yes, because Hydrogen implodes rather than explodes.
Blob Oh, like clean coal I get it LOL
Good one.
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| Re: Only 3G speeds said by FFH:The test, at least, is only using 3G speeds. Depending on what Google means by 3G, that is kind of slow and no better than satellite broadband.
»www.google.com/loon/how/ Maybe the 3G is to test the waters.
Then when they do better they will give away the 3G for free and charge for the faster tier.
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| said by silbaco:Latency won't matter if your speeds are too slow to be useful. Useful to whom?
What if you're talking about a population that has to walk five miles with a gourd balanced on their head to fetch fresh water, and survives on millet. They have no electricity - and pay a kiosk vendor to charge their shared (MultiLineAppearance) cellphone.
Even QNC or GPRS would be "useful" under these conditions.
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»www.google.com/loon/how/ When taking latency into account, you are incorrect. Doing some quick calculations, a 10Mb satellite connection will deliver roughly .09Mbps throughput. A 1Mb 3G connection using the distance Google specifies gives you roughly .35Mbps throughput. | |
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1 recommendation | Re: Only 3G speeds said by Jim Kirk:said by FFH:The test, at least, is only using 3G speeds. Depending on what Google means by 3G, that is kind of slow and no better than satellite broadband.
»www.google.com/loon/how/ When taking latency into account, you are incorrect. Doing some quick calculations, a 10Mb satellite connection will deliver roughly .09Mbps throughput. A 1Mb 3G connection using the distance Google specifies gives you roughly .35Mbps throughput. Why on earth (or not on earth) would you expect distance/latency to affect throughput? FWIW, it does not. -- Author of hnFAP-Alert, PC-OPI and DSSatTool traveling in a 2004 Blue Bird M380 | |
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Those of us using satellite are well aware that we can stream data down (via almost any protocol) at near full bandwidth allowed by the account during times when there is low congestion. Congestion definitely affects speeds, just as it does on any other system that has more users than available bandwidth, but at 3am you can usually get full speeds. Exede and Gen4 customers can routinely see in excess of 10Mbps, real speeds.
Latency only seriously affects protocols that are verbose. SMTP for example, where there a ton of pseudo-english exchanges between client and server for each message in the list.
Websites have latency issues because there are so many elements to request, with latency involved in every request (unless there is an aggregating proxy). Each element, though, even if it is a multi-MB image, comes down at near full speed with little effect from latency. -- Author of hnFAP-Alert, PC-OPI and DSSatTool traveling in a 2004 Blue Bird M380 | |
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Of course, these things are going to be over 60,000 feet up. Would these countries have missile systems that could hit a target that far up? China could probably do it using an aircraft, but could the others? | |
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Remember the one laptop per child thing, it was a "durable" green laptop, I'm sure it fostered some good learning, but what the kids really ended up using it for was a flashlight ...cause they were in a "town" with no or unreliable electricity.
Couldn't Google just, you know, provide some good clean drinking water, or vaccines ...cause that's really more important than Internet.
This is a nice publicity stunt, but the whole system seems "high maintenance" at some point you have to ask yourself, shouldn't I just run a wire. | |
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That's actually the vision I had in mind. But it's kind of a reoccurring theme.
You could probably combine google glass and the ballons together as some sort of plot to convert humanity to some collective mind control. | |
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| Hmm We laugh this off as a joke however when a natural disaster hits and you can deploy a floating "cell balloon" tower in the sky all the sudden it becomes a important matter.
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