Google Lowers Nexus One ETF, Launches Phone Support Google's moving to tackle major early complaints... Tipped by S_engineer 
At launch, Google took heat for a number of things related to their "Nexus One" smartphone, including the fact that customers who canceled service early faced $550 in fees (a $200 ETF from T-Moble, and a $350 Google "Equipment Recovery Fee"), which was more than the phone even cost. Responding to these criticisms, sluggish Nexus One sales, and the FCC's recent inquiry into ETFs, Google says they're lowering the Nexus One "equipment recovery fee" from $350 to $150, and talks about the decision to the Wall Street Journal: A Google representative said the company had been working with T-Mobile to lower the equipment fee. "Google's overall financial philosophy with regard to operator service plans remains unchanged: We make no profit from commissions from operators or from equipment recovery fees, and our recovery fees are based on operator charges to Google for early termination of service," the company said in a statement. Another criticism of the Nexus One launch was that Google was only offering e-mail support (with turaround response time of up to 24 hours). That's also changing, with TMO News indicating that Google has officially launched phone support for the Nexus One (888-48-NEXUS (63987)). A third major criticism of the product was that the phone struggled to obtain 3G connectivity, even in markets where T-Mobile 3G service exists. That problem was apparently fixed with a recent firmware update, though some connectivity complaints persist.
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  ztmikeMark for moderationPremium
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Michigan City, IN |  ETF for N1 who bought outright?
Saw this
»news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100209/ap_···hone_fee
But doesn't answer my question. | |
|  | | | Re: ETF for N1 who bought outright? No, you dont have anything to terminate if you bought it outright. You have no contract with tmo nor att if you buy it outright. | |
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| Re: Wireless parasites should tell the truth! said by Mr Matt:  The big lie is that you own the handset. In reality persons purchasing a Google Handset are paying a one time right to use fee. Many PABX manufactures charge a one time right to use fee for use of the software to operate their systems. The customer does not own the software and is not allowed to sell or transfer it without the permission of the manufacture. I have not seen any comment regarding who owns the handset once the contract has been met. Does the customer have to return the handset to Google after the contract has been met and they cease to use it, or is it simply disabled by a malicious firmware download? Can the handset be used on another GSM network after the contract is met? I think Google should answer those question before they are allowed to continue selling renting the product. huh?
The customer owns the handset. That's why you pay an ETF when you cancel your contract - to cover the subsidy on the handset.
And with an Android phone, the whole "charging for right to use software" is even LESS of an issue since it's open-source software.
Can you possibly cite any reference on the internet (other than conspiracy forums) that can back up your baseless accusation?
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Mount Airy, MD |  Ugh
And when is the useless, worthless FCC going to quit wasting our time looking into ETFs that people choose to pay and instead look at hidden fees that everyone pays?
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Little Silver, NJ | Re: Ugh I do not have a Nexus One but I seriously considered it and ran the numbers. For me they came out like this:
Unsubsidized Phone: $530 (+ tax)
Monthly Plan: $60 (+ tax)
Subsidized Phone: $180
Monthly Plan for 121 Days: $80
T-Mobile ETF: $200
Monthly Plan After That: $60
So $180 + $80 ($20 plan diff * 4) + $200 = $460
$460 $530
Yes that number is not exact since tax and fees on the more expensive plan will add to the total. Still, unless you REALLY want to use the N1 on EDGE, I don't see why you would buy it outright. | |
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: Ugh And of course if you do not pay the ETF, you got yourself a $530 for $180 as either way you pay for the plan.
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| Re: Ugh said by pnh102:And of course if you do not pay the ETF, you got yourself a $530 for $180 as either way you pay for the plan. except that with TMO, they have a cheaper unsubsidized rate plan.
Buy the phone outright: $60/mo talk/text/data - cancel anytime.
Buy the phone with subsidy: $80/mo talk/text/data + 2 year contract. $20x24mo $480 extra over 2 years.
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Williamsport, PA | Verizon N1 I plan to get this phone the day it launches on Verizon's network. I seriously look forward to the loud conversation I am going to have with AT&T when I finally cancel their worthless POS "service".
The N1 sales were sluggish, but I think that is going to change once there is a CDMA version. T-Mobile's 3G network is extremely tiny compared to Verizon's, and Google will have had a few months to fix many of the bugs with the device.
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| Re: Verizon N1 Dream on all you VZW/CDMA fanbois.
When is it going to get into your head that Google/Apple (companies where cell phones are only one line of business) only want to make devices for the larger GSM population? | |
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Williamsport, PA | Re: Verizon N1 said by DreamBuster :
Dream on all you VZW/CDMA fanbois.
When is it going to get into your head that Google/Apple (companies where cell phones are only one line of business) only want to make devices for the larger GSM population?
I am a "fanboi" because I want a phone that actually WORKS? AT&T's service is horrendous where I live.
Verizon is getting a CDMA Nexus One this Spring. Also, Apple only went with AT&T because they couldn't work out a deal with Verizon. You really don't know what you're saying, do you?
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| said by DreamBuster :
Dream on all you VZW/CDMA fanbois.
When is it going to get into your head that Google/Apple (companies where cell phones are only one line of business) only want to make devices for the larger GSM population?
Except for that whole Google Android VZW Droid...
And Google Android HTC Hero
And Google Android Droid Eris
And Google Android Samsung Moment.
And then there's this whole page which LISTS VZW as being a future NexusOne carrier..
»www.google.com/phone/choose?loca···_US&s7e=
but yeah, other than those 4 CDMA Android phones, and the Google web page explicitly listing Verizon as a future NexusOne carrier - you're absolutely right. Google will never support CDMA phones.
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| said by RRedline:I plan to get this phone the day it launches on Verizon's network. I seriously look forward to the loud conversation I am going to have with AT&T when I finally cancel their worthless POS "service". The N1 sales were sluggish, but I think that is going to change once there is a CDMA version. T-Mobile's 3G network is extremely tiny compared to Verizon's, and Google will have had a few months to fix many of the bugs with the device. I don't think the sales are sluggish due to the network, I think it's because of lack of advertising. A Superbowl ad would have been perfect to get the word out.
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Williamsport, PA | Re: Verizon N1 said by ptrowski:I don't think the sales are sluggish due to the network, I think it's because of lack of advertising. A Superbowl ad would have been perfect to get the word out. I still think it's a tough sell on T-Mobile. If Verizon steps up their advertising when the N1 hits their network, it will be very good for Android. I don't see anyone else seriously challenging Apple other than Google.
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| Re: Verizon N1 said by RRedline:said by ptrowski:I don't think the sales are sluggish due to the network, I think it's because of lack of advertising. A Superbowl ad would have been perfect to get the word out. I still think it's a tough sell on T-Mobile. If Verizon steps up their advertising when the N1 hits their network, it will be very good for Android. I don't see anyone else seriously challenging Apple other than Google. Might be a bit tougher, but I have a few friends that absolutely love T-Mobile and their 3G that were clueless that the N1 was around.
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...lack of advertising.
Bingo. Yeah, and why no ad for Super Bowl? Didn't they do a pretty good commercial for the Droid? | |
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| Re: Verizon N1 said by BBBanditRuR: quote:
...lack of advertising.
Bingo. Yeah, and why no ad for Super Bowl? Didn't they do a pretty good commercial for the Droid? no - vzw was advertising a different upcoming android phone.
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| | | | ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium
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kudos:4 | Even looking at the T-Mobile website there is no reference to the Nexus. | |
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kudos:3 | Very simple solution... ... don't buy the phone. And, anyone who does is a sucker, fool, ignorant, and any other term that can describe them.
The way you teach these people a lesson is to not patronize them.. pure and simple. But, don't take the offer knowing the strings attached and then whine about it.
Government doesn't need to get involved.. this is purely a easy fix.. as soon as they realize no one would buy into this kinda thing, they will change their own tune.
However, in their defense.. if the phone TRULY is $530 outright and people want to take the $179 price, the ETF, if they state it up front, should not exceed the cost of the phone's outright price. Does that also mean people should be able to say "well, the phone is 6 months old, this isn't fair..."...? No! WHO used the phone and depreciated it? .. the end user.
Again.. if people don't like this, simply turn away from it and give your business to someone that you feel is being fair and a provider that makes you happy.. but, as I sit here and read this and all.. it just makes me think back to everyone that complained when a cable operator used the FBI to stop a modem hacker.. no one can sit here that got upset over a FBI/Cable modem issue calling it a "waste of resources" while supporting any government intervention, INCLUDING THE FCC, when that alone costs money - and no one is holding a gun to anyone's head to buy this. | |
| | | | Re: Very simple solution... but you have to buy it since it has Google's name on it. If its NOT Apple it has to be Google.
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| | Regarding the new phone support... I just got off the phone with them. The gentleman I spoke with was very friendly and (gasp) American, so the overall experience was pleasant enough. Unfortunately, he was unable to resolve the problem I called about. I shipped my Nexus One back on January 18th because T-Mobile's service around here was grossly disappointing but I still have yet to receive my refund. Everything I've gotten from them said it would happen within 14 days but that simply hasn't been the case. Initially I contacted HTC but they told me that there was nothing they could do to assist and that I'd have to talk directly to Google about the problem. They didn't have this call center info and ended up telling me I had to e-mail Google via their website (»google.com/phone) if I wanted my refund. I did that but got a canned response asking me to write again if I hadn't yet received my refund (this was within five minutes of submitting my original e-mail). I responded and explained the situation again but still hadn't heard back. Today I found out about the new support center via Androidcentral and at least now I've spoken to someone who was apologetic and agreed to investigate. He said the turnaround time on his ticket may be up to 72 hours but I'm just happy that my complaint isn't sitting in someone's inbox somewhere collecting virtual dust.
Bottom line, my experience with the Nexus One has been a major fiasco. I doubt I'll purchase any other version of the phone unless it comes to Sprint, which is doubtful. It's looking more and more like the HTC Supersonic will be my next celly.
Phew. Sorry for the rant guys.
- Tate
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