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Google Pays $7 Million to Settle Wi-Spy Case
Several Years Later, Unsecured Hotspot Snooping Affair Ends
by Karl Bode Tuesday 12-Mar-2013 tags: business · wireless · alternatives · bandwidth · privacy · wireless
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Back in April of 2010, Google was busted using their Google Street View cars to collect Wi-Fi data from areas they passed through. Google initially stated they only collected publicly available SSID and MAC Address data -- then later acknowledged that they were collecting snippets of actual transmitted data -- though Google insisted they did so accidentally, and only from unsecured hotspots. Several studies subsequently found that little to no useful data was collected, given collection vehicles automatically changed channels roughly five times a second -- and also faced physical obstacles and interference.

Despite Google ultimately being pretty straightforward about screwing up, and the fact the data was neither useful or complete -- Google faced numerous lawsuits over the screw up. Those lawsuits were ultimately packed into one large lawsuit brought by attorneys general from thirty different states. Though it's unofficial at the moment, anonymous insiders say that Google has now settled that case for $7 million:

Google is to pay $7 million, to be distributed among the attorneys general, according to a person familiar with the matter. That person said the agreement is close to being finalized, and should be announced early next week.

There are of course significantly worse privacy violations occurring daily (including by the government), yet somehow Google's hoovering up data from unsecured hotspots received the lion's share of attention.

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ArrayList
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sad

it's sad that something this silly can generate a lawsuit.

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Re: sad

said by ArrayList:

it's sad that something this silly can generate a lawsuit.

And that the 30 states involved more than likely wasted more than $7 million of taxpayer money over this idiotic lawsuit.
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Re: sad

Yeah. And that's it's even illegal to passively collect something that someone else broadcast with no encryption. It's a severe violation of common sense that there's a darn thing illegal about this. Maybe creepy, but it shouldn't be illegal. If you want to protect your stuff, encrypt it. If you don't encrypt it, you have forfeited your right to care who sees it unless you have an AP several hundred yards from any edge of your property.
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what is really scary too is that the government wanted to see the data. Rather than simply telling Google to delete it and provide proof to a court officer.

It is pretty clear they wanted data for their storehouse that will open in Utah.
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The gummint is a bigger problem

I'm from the gummint and I'm here to help collect your data. One can choose to use Google services or not (and use the Google Sharing add-on with their search engine). No such luck with the NSA/FBI/CIA/DHS/etc.
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Re: The gummint is a bigger problem

you can use TOR for all of your traffic. The gummit won't get your information near as easily then.

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Re: The gummint is a bigger problem

..unless they can gain access to the exit nodes.
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said by ArrayList:

you can use TOR for all of your traffic. The gummit won't get your information near as easily then.

And who financed the vast majority of TOR? Are you SURE there aren't any backdoors?
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Re: The gummint is a bigger problem

the code is open sourced. go have a look
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Re: The gummint is a bigger problem

said by ArrayList:

the code is open sourced. go have a look

As soon as I get a few extra years of spare time.

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Google gets spanked and the NSA keeps snooping.

A shame Google got smacked. I wish all those people involved in going after Google for 7 million, would go after the NSA instead. What the NSA is doing is a real invasion of our privacy, but no one seems to be bothered about it.
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Re: Google gets spanked and the NSA keeps snooping.

said by Snakeoil:

A shame Google got smacked. I wish all those people involved in going after Google for 7 million, would go after the NSA instead. What the NSA is doing is a real invasion of our privacy, but no one seems to be bothered about it.

Google is the NSA

»www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/0···-upheld/
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I get the Feeling that Google really had no choice. If the NSA says play ball and you say no they can start making things very hard. Such as getting audited by the IRS every year instead of random chance audits.
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Next time

Next time you make a mistake, keep your mouth shut. The ol' saying "Honesty pays" does not mean squat anymore.
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Re: Next time

7 million is chump change for google.

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Ridiculous in the first place

I thought it was a long-established precedent that anything broadcast over public airwaves is fair game for anyone else to listen in as they wish. If Google was cracking their encryption that would be one thing but just to catalog the names of networks in range and grab some of the packets is hardly "hacking" or "snooping."

It's like accusing someone of recording what you say over a CB radio. If you put something over public (unlicensed) radio frequencies you can't get mad when someone else hears it.
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Re: Ridiculous in the first place

Even over licensed frequencies, if it is not encrypted you cannot consider it protected from being recorded. Many websites for example retransmit airport tower chatter over the internet.
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